Puliiszola 519 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, bigbluewillie said: The knockers. I have no problem in that I think Havertz does have it to succeed here but it will take time, it's obvious he hasn't hit the ground running. But that said have you learnt nothing from Mourinho dumping De Bruyne, and Mo Salah, look how not being patient and allowing a player to grow turned out for them. KDB's case is very different to Kai's. KDB's quality was evident even in the one game he did play against Hull. It was simply a case of Jose preferring Oscar over KDB. Oscar himself was considered to be a sort of a prodigy and simply turned out to be a DUD. If anything, Kai is being given the trust and the time to settle, he is hyped up and well rated. Everything akin to Oscar. Rather than KDB, he should be compared to Oscar and we should worry that he is not an expensive OSCAR. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/16/2020 at 2:16 PM, Fulham Broadway said: He is not that bug eyed and paid 350k a week to go shopping He's never led his nation to a world cup either. He'd do well to accomplish half of what Erdogan's buddy has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,181 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Ballack comments on comparison between Chelsea's Havertz and Leverkusen's Wirtz https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/news/ballack-comments-on-comparison-between-chelseas-havertz-and-leverkusens-wirtz/ Michael Ballack has played down comparisons between Chelsea star Kai Havertz and Bayer Leverkusen’s teenage sensation Florian Wirtz. Leverkusen just cannot stop producing these unbelievably talented attacking midfielders, can they? After Havertz joined Chelsea in the summer, the Bundesliga side have already found a replacement in Wirtz. The 17-year-old has four goals and five assists in just 16 appearances in all competitions for Leverkusen; an incredible feat for such a young player. Unsurprisingly, there have been suggestions that Wirtz might even have more potential than his one-time teammate. Former Chelsea and Leverkusen icon Ballack believes it is too early to compare the two. “That can’t be said yet, because Kai Havertz was also able to mature for a few years,” the former Germany international told Sport1. “It is Wirtz’s first year as a regular player. But he does it well above average.” While Ballack said the teenager is improving and has caught up well physically, he still thinks what Havertz did at Leverkusen was unheard of. “Wirtz is a different type than Havertz and is smaller. “Havertz’s statistics were unparalleled at his age, so be careful with comparisons.” In his last season at Leverkusen, Havertz managed 16 goals and eight assists in all competitions. Some Chelsea fans understandably have reservations about the 21-year-old after his recent poor performances, but recent bias might have influenced some people’s opinions of him. Havertz might have taken more time to adapt than some would expect, but his record speaks for itself. bigbluewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan 17,957 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 His flaws have nothing to do with being out of position. When the player himself cannot do the basics right, It's a confidence issue. Supermonkey92 and Puliiszola 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0007 511 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 As much as I doubt Frank is gonna make it here, I am glad he is level-headed and reasonable enough to give the kid enough time to settle in. He didn't mention any names but it was obvious that he referred to guys like De Bruyne and Salah when talking about players coming back to the PL as a stars despite not making it the first time round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, 0007 said: As much as I doubt Frank is gonna make it here, I am glad he is level-headed and reasonable enough to give the kid enough time to settle in. He didn't mention any names but it was obvious that he referred to guys like De Bruyne and Salah when talking about players coming back to the PL as a stars despite not making it the first time round. To be fair unless it's Mourinho, no sane manager is gonna pile pressure on their own players. 0007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0007 511 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: To be fair unless it's Mourinho, no sane manager is gonna pile pressure on their own players. In front of the media, yeah. But there are a lot others who doesn't have the patience when it comes to young players and expect sudden impact. I guess the price tag also plays a part. It was easier to get rid of them both when we haven't invested a shit ton of money into them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, 0007 said: In front of the media, yeah. But there a lot others who doesn't have the patience when it comes to young players and expect sudden impact. I guess the price tag also plays a part. It was easier to get rid of them both when we haven't invested a shit ton of money into them. Havertz is also Lampard's signing. Would invite a lot of pressure if he were to just bin him. Moreover, whatever faults Lampard has as a manager right now, his man management of the players isn't one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,323 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55357793 Wayne Rooney's son Kai signs for Manchester United Rooney has a kid named Kai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Nothing to worried about, he will come good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 People forget he's just 21... Vesper, Miguelito, Milan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguelito 459 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 People forget he's just 21...He's 21. He left his home 6 months ago (which has talked about how hard that is--he's clearly a homebody and this has been difficult). He had covid with some strong symptoms. He hasn't gotten his confidence back yet.He's been poor (especially last couple of weeks), but he's gonna be a top player. Talent has oozed through at times and he's a hard worker. It'll come. I have no worries about him.Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk killer1257, bigbluewillie and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 On 17.12.2020 at 10:10 PM, Sir Mikel OBE said: He's never led his nation to a world cup either. He'd do well to accomplish half of what Erdogan's buddy has. led? Özil was an absolute milestone around the neck in that campaign. a wonder we made it despite all the chances he missed. Easily our worst player whole tournament. killer1257, Puliiszola and Vesper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,181 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said: led? Özil was an absolute milestone around the neck in that campaign. a wonder we made it despite all the chances he missed. Easily our worst player whole tournament. absolutely agree, no clue what WC the other poster watched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, Vesper said: absolutely agree, no clue what WC the other poster watched hmm.., maybe he was thinking about the 2010 world cup? I think Ozil was a revelation there, and primarily the reason why Madrid went for him and Khedira shortly after. He never won anything then, though. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,181 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 50 minutes ago, Blue Armour said: hmm.., maybe he was thinking about the 2010 world cup? I think Ozil was a revelation there, and primarily the reason why Madrid went for him and Khedira shortly after. He never won anything then, though. probably, and yes, Özil was a beast in that WC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/werner-havertz-chelsea-stats-news-19481545 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,323 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Thank you! "It is not Lampards fault." "Kai is suited for number 8." This is so obvy. Havertz is more of a finisher then creator and we all agreed on that. Frank is destroying his effectiveness in the final 3d. Not helping Werner either with playing him on the wing... kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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