Barbara 15,149 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Yeah, I don't disagree that it's easier to find a creative #10 rather than a creative CM, but we have what we have. I don't think we'll be buying a CAM. If we do buy an attacking player, a right winger should be the priority. but if we buy a good RW (to which I agree should be a priority over CAM or even CM), then we can rotate Willian and Oscar in the #10 for the matches Cesc plays in the pivot. We don't need to have three absolute creative players in the three AMs positions and as we said, Mourinho demands great workrate from at least one of them.I think a creative RW solves all our problems in the attack. With Hazard in one side and someone like Reus in the other, we can afford to have Willian or Oscar in the middle, without having to move Cesc there to have more creativity in the attack.I also want to see Oscar playing a few times in the RW. He's no wonder, but maybe an AM with Hazard - Cesc - Oscar and Ramires replacing Mikel (when Rami is in form again) could work out until next summer. Then Willian could rotate with Oscar. Anything is better than having Mikel in the pivot if we want to dominate games. zolayes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Witsel looks to be going somewhat cheap, considering the previous prices around, due to the Russian currency deflation. Witsel-matic CescFor the sake of £20m, doesn't seem the worst idea if we are going with the change approach depending on the game which we have recently I. E. Cesc moving forward from the deeper role. No problems with keeping Mikel and investing that £20m in a right winger, either. robsblubot and stroey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman60 1,343 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I actually disagree and I'm surprised few people realize what kind of damage playing Mikel brings to the team.This isn't about creativity, this is about fluidity, dominance, quick play and making the opposition our bitches.What do we realize in ALL matches Mikel played for us this month? That our pressing isn't anywhere as good as it normally is without him. Part of that is because Oscar is one of our best pressers immediately after we lose possession, but that also because Mikel doesn't press much where matters because he's never positioned where matters (way too deep and behind other players), Cesc presses as much as he can, but it isn't that amazing, especially when he's very high in the pitch.But that could be a coincidence, the players being tired and a lot of other stuff that have nothing to do with Mikel. What really has a lot to do with Mikel is that we lose dominance with him in the midfield because we look soft, slow, toothless, and we play way too deep.He simply destroys our newly established style by simply being in the team sheet. He doesn't know what means pass onwards, forward, he doesn't present himself to link up with the AMs, he doesn't take one single risk, he delays, slows down and sometimes kills out transition altogether.He's a good defender - he will offer some stability as José likes to call it, but that's about it.I was discussing with Choulo that we didn't dominate the midfield at all - I guess against Stoke, when combined him and Matic had 16 successful tackles, but that's not dominating because when you dominate midfield your opponent doesn't even have the ball long enough for you to have sixteen tackles!!!!!!! That's the whole point. It really surprises me how nobody mentions or notices that we play completely different when he's not in the team. Proof of that? Many of you said our best match this season has been against West Ham. One single match where he didn't play among many where he did play. Today our best moment in the match was in the second half, and while he was there for some part of it, it was barely because of him (Southampton got tired) and when he was subbed off we played even better. How can't you guys see it?The problem is not that he's making mistakes, or that he's having bad matches because despite not being as solid as he normally was when he played more often (which is natural), the problem with Mikel isn't what he does bad or well, it's what he can't do at all.When Willian, Oscar, Cesc and Hazard are playing - especially the latest three, they go deep to get the ball and they move it quickly, they make 1-2s all the time, they have been working better and better like on that. They're developing chemistry and Cesc has been instrumental for Oscar's improvement imo. With Mikel there he doesn't offer it. When Cesc or Hazard drop to start the play, he ignores them more often than not because he won't pass to them unless it's a 110% safe pass. More often than not he'll pass sideways or backwards. How can we bloody dictate the tempo, dominate the midfield, suffocate our opponent with quick, smart and imposing football if we're softly passing the ball to nowhere that matters? How can nobody notice or mention it is beyond me.And please, you guys are really lacking observing skills if you say BS such as 'when Mikel plays Matic goes higher in the pitch, something he doesn't do much when Fabregas is playing'. Untrue fact and untrue fact. Today Mikel was ahead of Matic on many occasions - because as I said, Mikel drags the rest of the plays to go deep as he can't for the life of him make a pass forward unless the player is 2m away from him. So Matic naturally plays deeper otherwise Mikel will spend the whole day exchanging passes with our back four. Another untrue fact is that he doesn't go high in the pitch when he's playing with Cesc. He does all the time - exactly because when Cesc click with the AMs we just keep the ball moving faster and forward, objectively and in an involving way that is drags Matic higher in the pitch - exactly the opposite of what happens with Mikel.Notice I'm not detracting Mikel as a player - as I said he's a very good, albeit limited, defensive midfield, but he doesn't fit our new style, he detracts our dominating play and he simply has no place starting in a team with Chelsea ambitions - titles wise and performance wise. He brings the team down simply because the kind of player he is. In another situation, in another team, or maybe even in the current Chelsea in a very specific situation he can be really good, but that's not the case anymore. Still people won't admit that the only significant change in the matches we dominated and the ones we didn't in the last two or three weeks is exactly John Obi Mikel.edit: I'll write an article about it with heat maps, passing stats, and whatnot to see how we change our setup completely because of one single piece in the team. Checking the heat maps on Squawka now makes it as clear as day. If anything he detracts Matic's influence in the attack in the matches he plays...Superbly written article that says it all about Mikel. A good(ish) player who does not suit our new style of play. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Hm,I think that we need him in the big games because Matic can´t to everything on his own.We need someone to help him.Somehow,Ramires is still not ready,so Mikel is the only solution we have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Okay, if someone forced me to blame one player, I will blame him, why he is not playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Probably one of his biggest critics over here but had he started yesterday we would not have conceded 5 goals, should start away games from now on especially the tough ones Tomo and BlueLion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I hope he leaves in Jan and i am glad he didnt play yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beigl 1,387 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I hope he leaves in Jan and i am glad he didnt play yesterdayWe are already relatively thin on midfield options if we play 4-3-3 so getting rid of him would be better in Summer when we can sign a proper replacement. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I hope he leaves in Jan and i am glad he didnt play yesterdayWHAT? i can guarantee you that with mikel starting alongside matic we would not have conceded more than 2 goals if that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 WHAT? i can guarantee you that with mikel starting alongside matic we would not have conceded more than 2 goals if that. Mate if he have had played, he would have been the cause for us loosing and City winning. He better leaves for his own sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Mate if he have had played, he would have been the cause for us loosing and City winning. He better leaves for his own sake.oh.. that ways. then i totally agree.infact i was glad he dint play. i mean i saw a couple of posts saying that the soton draw was his fault, i can only imagine what would have happened to him if he was on the pitch against spurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 oh.. that ways. then i totally agree.infact i was glad he dint play. i mean i saw a couple of posts saying that the soton draw was his fault, i can only imagine what would have happened to him if he was on the pitch against spurs.yes, thets what I've been refering to. didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Probably one of his biggest critics over here but had he started yesterday we would not have conceded 5 goals, should start away games from now on especially the tough onesAgreed, but then again if he had played he'd have been crucified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 we all have great hindsight ,, what we need is a great foreskin ......... oops foresight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 MILAN are eyeing a January swoop for John Obi Mikel http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/418719/AC-Milan-Chelsea-John-Obi-Mikel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,326 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Why does it have to be a shit source like the Daily Star, why can't The Guardian report it. Sigh. The Mak, Barbara and Roquila 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Why does it have to be a shit source like the Daily Star, why can't The Guardian report it. Sigh. i love to see the back of him hes just not good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan 17,956 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I remember some summer speculations about him leaving, quickly denied by someone (his agent?) claiming that Mikel wants British passport first.Here -“Mikel will be a British citizen by October and that was one of the main considerations why he has opted to stay put at Chelsea at least for the time being.”“There are offers from clubs like Juventus, Galatasaray and Monaco, but he would rather get his passport before he considers any of them.”So he got the passport, I assume. Now what? Will there be any move on January? If not, I am quite sure he will be off in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lito 180 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Mikel becomes British citizen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=100724Before the commencement of the current English Premier League season, speculations were rife that Chelsea’s manager, Jose Mourinho, wanted to sacrifice him to free up a foreign quota spot, but this is now a thing of the past.‘’Mikel was issued a British passport last week, and he is very happy to be in the possession of the passport,’’ a representative of the Super Eagles’ star revealed.‘’That’s very good news because he will no longer be counted as a foreign player in the Chelsea squad.‘’All the obstacles that would have prevented him playing in Europe have been eliminated, especially in Italy.‘’Mikel is not leaving Chelsea in the January transfer window. He will only think about his future at the end of this season,’’ the representative added.That is great news on two accounts. Him being a homegrown squad memeber (?) now menas he is much more valuable to us. Also he can be shifted away more easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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