Timo Werner

[Superblue 6,372]

13 minutes ago, Jason said:

It still feels like square pegs in round even with Pulisic available.

Werner is not a winger and he looks lost out wide, whether on the LW or RW. Pulisic can only really operate effectively on the LW. That's already a problem. All good when everyone is functioning properly but it looks like we've hit a wall and maybe opponents have already figured us out.

And the reason why I also said today was the perfect time to change to a back 3 is because we have not beaten Nuno's Wolves with a back 4 (D1 L2) but have beaten them with a back 3 (W2).

Understand the reasons. The other problem though with it is Pulisic becomes the square pegs unless we play 3-4-3 then we're back to werner or havertz wide again.

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Just now, Superblue_1986 said:

Understand the reasons. The other problem though with it is Pulisic becomes the square pegs unless we play 3-4-3 then we're back to werner or havertz wide again.

Nothing wrong with 3-4-3, no? We played it last season, Pulisic played there a few times and pretty sure Werner also played in the 3-4-3 (not just 3-5-2) at Leipzig. 

[Superblue 6,372]

26 minutes ago, Jason said:

Nothing wrong with 3-4-3, no? We played it last season, Pulisic played there a few times and pretty sure Werner also played in the 3-4-3 (not just 3-5-2) at Leipzig. 

But the issue is the same as 4-3-3 it involves one playing on the right and Werner not central.

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1 minute ago, Superblue_1986 said:

But the issue is the same as 4-3-3 it involves one playing on the right and Werner not central.

But there is less emphasis on those players either side of the central striker to provide the width and in turn, they can operate closer with that striker. 

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

I know it seems unrealistic but I would like to see us play Werner and Giroud upfront together. Be it in a 352 or 442. I think Werner is struggling out wide but right now we have most of our wingers out but lots of CMs so I dont think 352 would be a huge risk. It would let him play closer to goal and be able to run in behind more. Probably wont happen. But hey.

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[NikkiCFC 8,300]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

I know it seems unrealistic but I would like to see us play Werner and Giroud upfront together. Be it in a 352 or 442. I think Werner is struggling out wide but right now we have most of our wingers out but lots of CMs so I dont think 352 would be a huge risk. It would let him play closer to goal and be able to run in behind more. Probably wont happen. But hey.

That ship has sailed. Our wingers are getting back. If Frank has any awareness he would play that last two games. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,378]

If Werner would work well with any player up top it would be Tammy given his mobility. 

[LAM09 7,043]

No matter what the line up is against West Ham, he has to be playing down the middle.

[Fernando 6,585]

He seemed a bit burn out last game. 

Give the man a rest. 

[manpe 10,861]

19 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I know it seems unrealistic but I would like to see us play Werner and Giroud upfront together. Be it in a 352 or 442. I think Werner is struggling out wide but right now we have most of our wingers out but lots of CMs so I dont think 352 would be a huge risk. It would let him play closer to goal and be able to run in behind more. Probably wont happen. But hey.

Werner - Giroud
Ziyech
Chilwell - Mount - Kante - James
Rüdiger - Silva - Zouma

Wouldn't mind seeing something like this at some point.   Just because we have better players now than last season doesn't mean we can't play 3 CB formations anymore to solidify defence and accomodate Werner better (especially when our wingers are injured, Werner and Havertz as wingers is horrid). Also Giroud is pretty good at link-up play, Hazard often got joy playing with him for that same reason, no reason to think Werner wouldn't.
 

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[killer1257 3,282]

 

In Bundesliga you have much more space to shoot. There are no teams like wolves, Spurs or some small clubs that park the bus in Bundesliga. They all play offensive, even against Bayern apart from Eintracht.

 

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3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

In Bundesliga you have much more space to shoot. There are no teams like wolves, Spurs or some small clubs that park the bus in Bundesliga. They all play offensive, even against Bayern apart from Eintracht.

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Having space to shoot is one thing. Having chances to shoot is another, which is more the main point here. He's barely even getting any opportunities to get a shot away - be it blocked, off target etc - especially in the last few games. Instead of you know, passing the ball to him on the ground to get a shot off, we would rather put a high cross in for him to win in the air! Then there's also of course the fact that he's being used further out wide than he was at Leipzig, meaning he's getting even less opportunities to link up with the striker, get a shot away etc.

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