🇩🇪 Timo Werner

[Jype 6,398]

18 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tbf I am frustrated by the “he is best when playing with a striker” or “when playing as a second striker” etc.

Personally, if your a goalscorer like he is, to only get 4 or 6 PL goals in your first season when you’ve scored over 100 goals in Germany in recent seasons, you have to do better. Even more so considering the 2 barren spells and the huge volume of sitters he missed that I think we’d all probably fancy ourselves at scoring…. I remember the shit Morata got in the second half of his first year and it is odd the difference now for Timo but lets see how it goes this season. 

The excuses will only last so long, if he doesn’t do it this season regularly instead of in fits and bursts every couple of months nobody can say anything. Even this “so he can run at people thing playing off a CF”, he played on the left hand side when Tammy was in the team with Frank and basically was as good as another RB for the opposition because he did nothing. 

This is why we needed a top CF, because he couldn’t be counted on to put the big chances away like others also. 

Well, I can only speak for myself but I consider to team play significantly better football (and in my opinion get better results) when Werner plays. Last season, even if he didn't score a lot himself, he still created a lot of goals by running at defenders and passing in the box for someone else to score an easy tap-in.

If I didn't know about Werner's prolific goalscoring record in the Bundesliga and only saw him for what he produced last season I'd have been reasonably happy with the output (close to 30 G+A overall). But knowing he's previously shown what it takes to score +30 goals a season he's been a slightly frustrating figure to watch.

Be interesting to see whether Tuchel now figures out a way to get Werner firing when playing together with Lukaku, or if the arrival of Romelu will drop him to the bench and he has to play the role of an impact sub.

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26 minutes ago, Jype said:

Well, I can only speak for myself but I consider to team play significantly better football (and in my opinion get better results) when Werner plays. Last season, even if he didn't score a lot himself, he still created a lot of goals by running at defenders and passing in the box for someone else to score an easy tap-in.

If I didn't know about Werner's prolific goalscoring record in the Bundesliga and only saw him for what he produced last season I'd have been reasonably happy with the output (close to 30 G+A overall). But knowing he's previously shown what it takes to score +30 goals a season he's been a slightly frustrating figure to watch.

Be interesting to see whether Tuchel now figures out a way to get Werner firing when playing together with Lukaku, or if the arrival of Romelu will drop him to the bench and he has to play the role of an impact sub.

Honestly, I would still be frustrated with him. The chances he missed vs Leeds, West Ham, Real to name a few are so ridiculously guilt edged that anyone should be expected to score these. Apart from Torres and Morata, no other striker at this club has missed this many 100% chances in sucha  short timeframe.

You got a point about the football tho. He is our only player who makes long deeps runs off the ball and dregs defenders away at maximum pace. His off the ball movement is what enables a lot of our attacks. Just look at the last 2 goals we scored. both time he makes the run to the left, the defender follows and everything opens up.

[robsblubot 3,595]

7 hours ago, Jase said:

The reason that made the club bought Werner in the first place was because the good work that he did was in a front 2/3 and alongside a #9 at Leipzig. He mentioned it just the other day when asked about Lukaku.

And okay, Havertz isn't a #9 but the few times they played together upfront late last season was promising. 

 

don't know why he's so happy. He will play a lot less next season (same for Pulisic).

Many times the attack will be Mount, Lukaku, and Kai

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3 hours ago, Jype said:

I didn't say Werner is not good enough to play in the team, quite the contrary really. Despite all the memes and banter I've fully stood by Werner and value his contribution a lot even though so far he's been shite at scoring goals, but that doesn't change the fact that as a leading striker he's not been anywhere near good enough. He's at his best when he plays alongside another striker so he can make use of his best asset and run at defenders, but if he's played up front by himself he gets marked out of the game by the oppositions big strong CBs. I could see Werner benefiting a lot from Lukaku's arrival.

In Tuchel's 3-4-3 there are no wingers btw.

Yes you did hence why im defending him.

You chat alot of crap dude hahahaha

You said hes a number 9 in all

Deary me

Youre going on my ignore list!

[Jase 43,479]

54 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

don't know why he's so happy. He will play a lot less next season (same for Pulisic).

Many times the attack will be Mount, Lukaku, and Kai

While I do think his minutes will be lower than last season (he was second on the outfield player list), we don't know for sure what Tuchel has said to the others, do we?

Given we have so many games this season and if we want to go far in every competition, rotation is gonna be key. There's really no need to be running players into the ground (e.g. Mount). Plus, Tuchel is known to rotate here and there to suit the opposition, match etc. 

Given how important Werner has been to Tuchel in the way we play, doubt he's just gonna toss him aside even if we've gotten Lukaku. He's versatile enough to play in different positions that Tuchel should be able to mix and match accordingly.

Tuchel has also said he doesn't want to close the doors on the players that are already in the squad because he believes they can/will improve this season.

[NikkiCFC 8,320]

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

don't know why he's so happy. He will play a lot less next season (same for Pulisic).

Many times the attack will be Mount, Lukaku, and Kai

Tuchel said: "He was the kind of profile that loves to play with his back towards the opponent's goal, who likes to hold the ball and create space for Kai Havertz, for Timo Werner, for Christian Pulisic, who love to play around him. 

[Vesper 30,178]

1 hour ago, Warning_Hazard said:

Yes you did hence why im defending him.

You chat alot of crap dude hahahaha

You said hes a number 9 in all

Deary me

Youre going on my ignore list!

 

I have had you blocked for ages and now see (as your dross stills show up when people quote reply to you) that your gobby arse is back to pollute this board once again with sub-room temperature IQ ramblings, all backed up with a particularly pathetic type of aggressively anti-social Billy Big Bollocks posturing.

Apparently I can still reply to you, so here it goes!

 

To a cleverclogs wanker (pro-tip, that is you m8),

You are, without a doubt, the worst, most ill-informed football poster on TC for my entire time here, as well as being a True Cunt© of a person.

You literally are a prime example of the the Dunning-Kruger effect, a type of cognitive bias in which people like you believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are.

Essentially, low ability, low intelligence people such as yourself do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence.

Your combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads you to overestimate your own capabilities and knowledge base.

In short, you are simply too dull a knife to realise you could not slice warm butter, yet you think you are a industrial diamond gang saw blade, capable of cutting though stone.

You cannot even spell Timmy Mallett correctly on your own bloody profile. 

 

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Warning_Hazard = Peak of 'Mount Stupid' Stage

 

TTFN,

Vesper

Edited August 12, 2021 by Vesper

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1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

don't know why he's so happy. He will play a lot less next season (same for Pulisic).

Many times the attack will be Mount, Lukaku, and Kai

I think he'll relish playing alongside another CF (should Tuchel field them both) instead of playing alone. He regularly played with Poulsen at Leipzing IIRC. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

7 hours ago, Vesper said:

 

I have had you blocked for ages and now see (as your dross stills show up when people quote reply to you) that your gobby arse is back to pollute this board once again with sub-room temperature IQ ramblings, all backed up with a particularly pathetic type of aggressively anti-social Billy Big Bollocks posturing.

Apparently I can still reply to you, so here it goes!

 

To a cleverclogs wanker (pro-tip, that is you m8),

You are, without a doubt, the worst, most ill-informed football poster on TC for my entire time here, as well as being a True Cunt© of a person.

You literally are a prime example of the the Dunning-Kruger effect, a type of cognitive bias in which people like you believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are.

Essentially, low ability, low intelligence people such as yourself do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence.

Your combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads you to overestimate your own capabilities and knowledge base.

In short, you are simply too dull a knife to realise you could not slice warm butter, yet you think you are a industrial diamond gang saw blade, capable of cutting though stone.

You cannot even spell Timmy Mallett correctly on your own bloody profile. 

 

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Warning_Hazard = Peak of 'Mount Stupid' Stage

 

TTFN,

Vesper

Brilliant.

[coolhead23 1,147]

7 hours ago, Vesper said:

 

I have had you blocked for ages and now see (as your dross stills show up when people quote reply to you) that your gobby arse is back to pollute this board once again with sub-room temperature IQ ramblings, all backed up with a particularly pathetic type of aggressively anti-social Billy Big Bollocks posturing.

Apparently I can still reply to you, so here it goes!

 

To a cleverclogs wanker (pro-tip, that is you m8),

You are, without a doubt, the worst, most ill-informed football poster on TC for my entire time here, as well as being a True Cunt© of a person.

You literally are a prime example of the the Dunning-Kruger effect, a type of cognitive bias in which people like you believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are.

Essentially, low ability, low intelligence people such as yourself do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence.

Your combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads you to overestimate your own capabilities and knowledge base.

In short, you are simply too dull a knife to realise you could not slice warm butter, yet you think you are a industrial diamond gang saw blade, capable of cutting though stone.

You cannot even spell Timmy Mallett correctly on your own bloody profile. 

 

 <<< FAIL   

 

 

Warning_Hazard = Peak of 'Mount Stupid' Stage

 

TTFN,

Vesper

Wooh!

If you dont mind, what is your line of work? ... related to psychology

 

P.S. Just out of curiosity 

Edited August 13, 2021 by coolhead23

[Special Juan 28,141]

8 hours ago, Vesper said:

 

I have had you blocked for ages and now see (as your dross stills show up when people quote reply to you) that your gobby arse is back to pollute this board once again with sub-room temperature IQ ramblings, all backed up with a particularly pathetic type of aggressively anti-social Billy Big Bollocks posturing.

Apparently I can still reply to you, so here it goes!

 

To a cleverclogs wanker (pro-tip, that is you m8),

You are, without a doubt, the worst, most ill-informed football poster on TC for my entire time here, as well as being a True Cunt© of a person.

You literally are a prime example of the the Dunning-Kruger effect, a type of cognitive bias in which people like you believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are.

Essentially, low ability, low intelligence people such as yourself do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence.

Your combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads you to overestimate your own capabilities and knowledge base.

In short, you are simply too dull a knife to realise you could not slice warm butter, yet you think you are a industrial diamond gang saw blade, capable of cutting though stone.

You cannot even spell Timmy Mallett correctly on your own bloody profile. 

 

 <<< FAIL   

 

 

Warning_Hazard = Peak of 'Mount Stupid' Stage

 

TTFN,

Vesper

vesper I'm not having this, cut out the personal insults immediately.

[Warning_Hazard 156]

5 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

vesper I'm not having this, cut out the personal insults immediately.

What in the hell, I have her/him ignored but logging out I can see this post.

Im 100% Chelsea and im getting attacked by a couple of posters constantly for anything i say even when other people agree with me

Toxic as haha wtf

[Vesper 30,178]

55 minutes ago, coolhead23 said:

Wooh!

If you dont mind, what is your line of work? ... related to psychology

 

P.S. Just out of curiosity 

Financial/supply chain risk analysis, plus historical/current  subjective analysis (mostly geo-political/geo-socioeconomic/geo-cultural) for a medium sized multinational financial firm. I try and spot trends, both micro and macro, and then attempt to find ways (with obvious aid from a team of co-workers) to leverage profitability from those informational foundations.

I've no degree in psychology, but have taken multiple classes in it at undergrad and master levels, mostly quantitative, cognitive, and cultural psych, things that I could put into my toolkit for other fields and endeavours. My educational theory of self is to cast a broad net, develop a path based off those explorations and learnings, and then drill down specifically into knowledge sets that I determine to be most germane to what I desire to be my endgame. I started out uni reading in history of fashion, curatorial science, and retail management (I think echoes of that can be seen in my posts in my little Fashion, Art, Design, Lifestyle section here) and ended up VERY far afield from those areas, lol.

[coolhead23 1,147]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

Financial/supply chain risk analysis, plus historical/current  subjective analysis (mostly geo-political/geo-socioeconomic/geo-cultural) for a medium sized multinational financial firm. I try and spot trends, both micro and macro, and then attempt to find ways (with obvious aid from a team of co-workers) to leverage profitability from those informational foundations.

I've no degree in psychology, but have taken multiple classes in it at undergrad and master levels, mostly quantitative, cognitive, and cultural psych, things that I could put into my toolkit for other fields and endeavours. My educational theory of self is to cast a broad net, develop a path based off those explorations and learnings, and then drill down specifically into knowledge sets that I determine to be most germane to what I desire to be my endgame. I started out uni reading in history of fashion, curatorial science, and retail management (I think echoes of that can be seen in my posts in my little Fashion, Art, Design, Lifestyle section here) and ended up VERY far afield from those areas, lol.

👏

[Special Juan 28,141]

28 minutes ago, Warning_Hazard said:

What in the hell, I have her/him ignored but logging out I can see this post.

Im 100% Chelsea and im getting attacked by a couple of posters constantly for anything i say even when other people agree with me

Toxic as haha wtf

Just leave it with me now, I will not have it fatting out topics with constant slagging matches.

[Vesper 30,178]

35 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

vesper I'm not having this, cut out the personal insults immediately.

cool, just wanted to have my say on the matter, they are still on block

[Warning_Hazard 156]

58 minutes ago, Mana said:

What in the world. Lukaku hasn't even touched the ball since his return to us and you're slagging him off. At least wait a few games before you rant about Lukaku about whatever.

Same apllies to the opposite surely?

Its all speculation ofc

Whether he ends up being brilliant or a wet fart in the breeze we just dont know which is what im saying.

Pinning our hopes he turns us into an absolute machine I think is a tad naive but listen according to a few on here im a worthless arse supporting know nothing bully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do usually trust your opinions mana, Just a little hesitant to pile all me money on lukaku

I think Timo will have more success this year because we will have lukaku, same for our front pack as he will draw the CB's and open up spaces for the lads out wide.

Edited August 13, 2021 by Warning_Hazard

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Can someone explain to me how having Lukaku in the side magically improves Werner's composure and instinctiveness in front of goal?

[Jase 43,479]

5 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Just leave it with me now, I will not have it fatting out topics with constant slagging matches.

Let them fight, SJ. It's all very amusing...

[Jase 43,479]

44 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Can someone explain to me how having Lukaku in the side magically improves Werner's composure and instinctiveness in front of goal?

Because Lukaku will channel his inner mojo and Werner will end up scoring 100+ goals this season. 🙃

In all seriousness, has anyone actually said what you said?

Think we can all agree that having Lukaku in the side means he's the main goalscorer now and it will take the pressure off the others. However, it doesn't mean the others shouldn't be scoring and it's down to Werner and the rest to produce at least a decent conversion rate this time around.