Super Frank Thread

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

51 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Fucking useless cunts ought to start putting a shift in then 

Hard to do that when the system only benefits one player. Giroud. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,300]

5 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Hard to do that when the system only benefits one player. Giroud. 

There appears to be a growing number calling for a 4-4-2 and I can't say I disagree with the idea ...

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

4 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

There appears to be a growing number calling for a 4-4-2 and I can't say I disagree with the idea ...

Or Lampard can coach his players to actually play through channels instead of pinging it wide every time...

Bruno Fernandes and Salah have played more through balls than our entire team. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,300]

8 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Or Lampard can coach his players to actually play through channels instead of pinging it wide every time...

Bruno Fernandes and Salah have played more through balls than our entire team. 

 I would change the formation and would move this group of players back to a 4-4-2 with Kante and Mount in the middle (although I do think Kovacic at his best might be the right partner to Kante) and Pulisic and CHO keeping wide and then Havertz playing the 10 role to Werner at 9. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

4 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

 I would change the formation and would move this group of players back to a 4-4-2 with Kante and Mount in the middle (although I do think Kovacic at his best might be the right partner to Kante) and Pulisic and CHO keeping wide and then Havertz playing the 10 role to Werner at 9. 

So essentially a 4231 with Havertz as a CF or CAM. 

I agree with you, but again, means nothing if Lampard wants to continue the pinging it out wide approach. 

[Jase 43,479]

Since we are basically in the 'pray and hope' territory with Lampard, I hope that he and his coaching staff will take these two free midweeks to reassess things and try to change things up - the formation, how we attack, how we press etc. If he still intends to stick with 4-3-3, play players in the wrong role/position, keep persisting with what hasn't been working, then the inevitable will come very soon for him. And for the love of god, stop overtraining the players and tiring them out before the match even begins! 

[Fulham Broadway 17,300]

We will probably see the same old at Fulham...it will finish Frank off if he doesn't start getting us going.

[Blue Armour 4,436]

3 hours ago, Fernando said:

It might be more like Lampard comparing to Ole. 

Lampard is nowhere near Klopp, but more like in the class of Ole. 

And right now Ole got his team on points with Liverpool.....But how Ole got to there is a whole different discussion. 

Well if you want to be really specific, Lampard is nothing like any of the other coaches in the PL right now

Ole at least had experience relegating a team, and Arteta was an assistant manager.

He has the least experience. Which is why I say his achievements last season were remarkable given the circumstances.

[Fernando 6,585]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

They were definitely his signings. It was reported as such after they joined and both even said they joined us because of Lampard, because of the football vision that he sold to them.

As I said Lampard should be like the director or something like that. He has done good with the signings. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

As I said Lampard should be like the director or something like that. He has done good with the signings. 

Lampard should probably be a politician really. He tends to say the things you want to hear or always says the right things but then does the opposite with his actions.

[Blue Armour 4,436]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

 I would change the formation and would move this group of players back to a 4-4-2 with Kante and Mount in the middle (although I do think Kovacic at his best might be the right partner to Kante) and Pulisic and CHO keeping wide and then Havertz playing the 10 role to Werner at 9. 

Lampard SHOULD use the upcoming matches against Morcambe and Fulham to test new tactics and formations, instead of trying to fix his broken 433 formation and wing play tactic. It might be the only time he gets to do it as Chelsea manager.

 

[Blue Armour 4,436]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Since we are basically in the 'pray and hope' territory with Lampard, I hope that he and his coaching staff will take these two free midweeks to reassess things and try to change things up - the formation, how we attack, how we press etc. If he still intends to stick with 4-3-3, play players in the wrong role/position, keep persisting with what hasn't been working, then the inevitable will come very soon for him. And for the love of god, stop overtraining the players and tiring them out before the match even begins! 

Well, for a start. He seems to have given them a couple of days off following the City defeat.

Hope it wasnt to whip them into shape after they return

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Blue Armour said:

Well, for a start. He seems to have given them a couple of days off following the City defeat.

Hope it wasnt to whip them into shape after they return

Nothing new. He has given the players 1 day or 2 days off this season before, when the schedule allowed it (e.g. after the West Ham game). The main issue is what he does when they return to training. We had pretty much a free week between the recent West Ham and Arsenal games, for example, and look what happened.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

Can the people who spent all of last season comparing Lampard and this side to Klopps Liverpool and Peps City now see how idiotic these comparisons were? 

Its embarrassing that even the Athletic keep seeming to drag that comparison in and mentioning time. They forgot that those sides had clearer identities and styles regardless of results and trophies. Its not as if Lampard has years of experience or achieved a tenth of what those guys had to even warrant those comparisons. Plus this squad has world cup winners, premier league winners, domestic cup winners, champions league winners etc. This project talk after spending 200m on genuine top players/top talents is infuriating. And for a club as successful as we’ve been since the 2000s, its frankly embarrassing at times. I wonder if those who went for AVB after those 7 or 8 months can see the stark similarities in Frank being so out of his depth...

24 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Well if you want to be really specific, Lampard is nothing like any of the other coaches in the PL right now

Ole at least had experience relegating a team, and Arteta was an assistant manager.

He has the least experience. Which is why I say his achievements last season were remarkable given the circumstances.

Was his achievements last season really remarkable? We were pretty much dead set for top 4 before December with like a 12 point then collapsed and limped to 4th place. Hardly remarkable. If this is remarkable then the standards have dropped hugely. I get there was a transfer ban but its still hardly remarkable. Man United leap frogged us. We finished third the season beforehand. I think the collection of us who were severely unimpressed last season have every right to say nothing Lampard has done in terms of achievement here has been remarkable. Finishing 4th with that squad after being what 12 points ahead before 2020, limping there sealing it on the last day, where has the standards gone here?

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Can the people who spent all of last season comparing Lampard and this side to Klopps Liverpool and Peps City now see how idiotic these comparisons were? 

Its embarrassing that even the Athletic keep seeming to drag that comparison in and mentioning time. They forgot that those sides had clearer identities and styles regardless of results and trophies. Its not as if Lampard has years of experience or achieved a tenth of what those guys had to even warrant those comparisons. Plus this squad has world cup winners, premier league winners, domestic cup winners, champions league winners etc. This project talk after spending 200m on genuine top players/top talents is infuriating. And for a club as successful as we’ve been since the 2000s, its frankly embarrassing at times. I wonder if those who went for AVB after those 7 or 8 months can see the stark similarities in Frank being so out of his depth...

Are you really surprised that the English media are finding excuses for Lampard? I mean, The Athletic just published another puff piece to defend Lampard today. The English pundits and journalists have been trying to make excuses for Lampard while they are also the same ones who have tried to hound Solskjaer out of Man United after every bad result. 

Have yet to see a single good take on why Lampard deserves to stay in the job. No one has debated that by addressing the concerns that most fans have about Lampard. People who are still in the 'Lampard In' camp are preaching patience for the sake of it or going down the blind hope route, with no good points on why he should still be the manager. 

Maybe Lampard might become a good manager one day but when you look at the managerial career so far, it's kinda crazy how opportunistic or fortunate he has been. He got the job at Derby because his uncle Harry Redknapp knows the owner. He then got the job here because of circumstances - club legend, fans unrest after Sarri, transfer ban - and arguably the only reason why he's still in this job now is because of the lack of a good alternative and he's being given time to turn things around because of it.