Super Frank Thread

[killer1257 3,282]

9 minutes ago, Mana said:

Oh, he most certainly would drop Willian. Willian is only our second best winger this season because nobody else has been given a chance.

The referees isn't the only reason why we lost the game yesterday, stop going on about that.

B-team, A-team, C-team, Z-team, this is another excuse. To be honest, I don't care much about that game but a loss is still a loss regardless on what cup it was. And it's not like the pen was the winning goal.

The 4-0 defeat is the only game that I can say "Well, first game - at least we created a lot of chances and that was more down to the players, not Lampard."

I agree with Pep. You won't win nothing with youth team players. But we are not fighting for the title, are we? This is about top 4. When we start getting class, experienced players with some youth, only then we can start thinking of winning titles.

As I said before, losing yesterday is not the reason why I'm pissed off. The main reason is because it's 4 wins in 15+ games. If Pep lost to United with us yesterday but our form is better than it is now, I'll be frustrated and rant at the refs and VAR, but I will not be waking up next morning still angry with what's going on.

Pep would have dropped Azpi like he dropped Joe Hart when he was the main captain for City. Azpi isn't a leader, so it's simple to drop him. Just because he has a big mouth on the pitch doesn't mean he is leading.

No fan will shout at Pep for dropping Azpi really. He's not that good.

Bring them up.

Lamps played Pedro, CHO, Willian and Pulisic, so all of the wingers were given a chance. Pedro is not in his prime anymore, so he is not better than Willian. He used to be better than him.CHO is getting better in recent weeks, but still not better than Willian. Only Pulisic is better than him and he is injured.I don´t see a youth team winger that is ready for that.

Pep would not do any better with this team. He underperforms big time with City this season.

[Superblue 6,372]

30 minutes ago, Mana said:

Look, I totally understand where you are coming from. Lampard taking this job is a massive step in his coaching career. And if he did this for any other top club (bar Spuds), I'll be happy for him. It's just that it has to happen to Chelsea FC. The club is in a shambles, and I'm just not happy he chose us to be that stepping stone for his career. Because what we are seeing, is what you get when you combine rookies from top to bottom.

I don't have a hatred for Lampard. I want him gone, but if he proves to become a fantastic coach in the future, no doubt he'll be back here (and I would want him back here). But he sadly picked one of the worst times in Chelsea to take this job.

I understand your stance on it but if the club wasn't in this state, the job wouldn't have been there for Lampard this summer. He benefited from the club being in a position of difficulty. And like I mentioned before, he could have waited but that offer may never come round again, you can't ever expect it to.

And whilst you can claim Lampard is selfish for taking the job on, I don't think what he's tried to do this season has been selfish because he's tried bringing through a number of younger players on mass and trying to develop a more progressive style of football. We could see the teething problems this would create last season with Sarri, and that was with one of the best attacking players in the world in our team. 

I still stand by my opinion that, whether Lampard is here long term, the younger players will all be better for and as a result of this season and have all been tied down long term to the club which looked very unlikely before Lampard came in this summer. In a transitional year where we couldn't improve the squad through the transfer market and lost our best player, it is a big long term positive that can be taken and we hopefully can look back 3 or 4 years from now and appreciate the difficulties we're suffering now was worth it.

[Jase 43,479]

11 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I still stand by my opinion that, whether Lampard is here long term, the younger players will all be better for and as a result of this season and have all been tied down long term to the club which looked very unlikely before Lampard came in this summer. In a transitional year where we couldn't improve the squad through the transfer market and lost our best player, it is a big long term positive that can be taken and we hopefully can look back 3 or 4 years from now and appreciate the difficulties we're suffering now was worth it.

The club may have tied the young players down to long term contracts but the next manager can easily toss them aside if they deem them not good enough. 

[Superblue 6,372]

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

The club may have tied the young players down to long term contracts but the next manager can easily toss them aside if they deem them not good enough. 

And at the very least the club will get millions in transfer fees for some of these players. 

However I think now though some are getting established within the Chelsea squad and even internationally, they'll have much more chance here even without Lampard.

The most difficult thing was always going to be breaking in and getting those opportunities initially. The culture of the club has largely prevented this for years with regular managerial changes, who are coming in with very much a short term view on the club rather than building for the long term which is usually at the expense of giving some of these younger players a chance. 

The biggest case in point of this is Loftus Cheek who should have been given chances way before last season under Mourinho and then Conte.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

30 minutes ago, Jason said:

The club may have tied the young players down to long term contracts but the next manager can easily toss them aside if they deem them not good enough. 

If there was no transfer ban Lampard wouldn't have been hired and the new manager would have loaned out Tammy, Mount and Tomori. If Lampard gets sacked or leaves definite chance they'll go back out on loan or even sold in a couple of seasons.

[Vesper 30,081]

15 hours ago, ZaynChelsea said:

I‘m afraid if we stick to Lampard we could turn into Arsenal

you have to include the board with that

they are also, in fact even more, to blame

incredibly poor player buys/sales/non-buys/non-sales, shameful contractual management, and a complete lack of general direction for years upon years now

IF we renew Willian and Pedro and do not offload both Alonso and Emerson this can no longer be debated by anyone who is operating in good faith

[Vesper 30,081]

15 hours ago, Bosnian Blue said:

Needs to start learning from his mistakes. Still absolutely behind him but it worries me he doesn't see some things (for example Christensen being the worst CB on the team)

and Azpi at LB absolutely crippling us offensively, and his refusal to play Giroud more, plus now his clear intent to play the woefully inadequate Willy for what may be the rest of the year

Kepa is in a real funk, but that can be coached away, Willy is profoundly incapable as a first team keeper

he is old, so so slow, bad at positioning, and very poor at distribution

[killer1257 3,282]

8 minutes ago, Vesper said:

you have to include the board with that

they are also, in fact even more, to blame

incredibly poor player buys/sales/non-buys/non-sales, shameful contractual management, and a complete lack of general direction for years upon years now

IF we renew Willian and Pedro and do not offload both Alonso and Emerson this can no longer be debated by anyone who is operating in good faith

Don´t forget that we also had a transfer ban during the summer due to illegal activities from our board. A good summer transfer window would have solved so many problems

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Iggy Doonican said:

If Lampard gets sacked or leaves definite chance they'll go back out on loan or even sold in a couple of seasons.

I can't see it, even if the new manager wanted to discard them they're on first team wages now so it won't be easy to find a club willing to pay them.

And furthermore they've got the experience of PL football now so they won't be seen as a "risk", even Jose who's not exactly known for his youth development went to United and kept Rashford in the fold after LVG did the hard part.

However given the talent we have coming through if the worst happened with Lamps it would be vital to appoint a manager who values youth development, what's got me through a lot of these last two season's is the hope we're eventually building something sustainable, would be depressing to discard all that now and revert back to type.

[Vesper 30,081]

15 hours ago, ZaynChelsea said:

Lampard‘s post match interview is a dull shower of shit.

José....

 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

Even if FL gets the sack I dont think we will get rid of the youth. Mount under a quality manager can be decent as a squad player, Tammy the same. James is quality and even Tomori can be decent if coached right.

[Atomiswave 6,117]

6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

 

I feel for him, you can see he is under pressure. But he let them cunts get a free ride, I mean the FA/refs etc. You need a strong manager in this case to voice his opinion, klopp would have gone amok, not that he ever ever will experience such corruption. We are fucking pussies for letting them fuck us over time and time again, pussies.