closed Bournemouth 4-0 Chelsea

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

Then what has he been doing for these 6-7 months? It's Sarri's job to coach the players, to make them work in a proper setup but he's failing on that front. First, he blames the players' mentality when we lose a game and now it's because we haven't learned his football.  

i guess , maybe he should go to specsavers

[Special Juan 28,141]

Jorginho massively under performing whilst the bloke who was shoved out of his position is doing fine. The quicker we drop Jorginho the better, he offers fuck all.

As for that shite last night, fucking bollocks.

[El P. 1,354]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

So when it happened, we blamed Mourinho and Conte for causing chaos and now it's all the players' fault? You said the players don't have the right mentality..fine but shouldn't it be the manager's job to forge the team to match his own mentality? Sarri's job isn't just make us play better football (HA HA) but also make us more consistent and right now, he's failing to offer any kind of glimpses to suggest he will make it work long term.

No, some of you did. Mourinho was much at fault, but not to a degree that we should have been 10th positioned.

I was only for Mourinho leaving because we were close to relegation, and I was blaming him to a degree, but even then I was 51-49 for him leaving. And for Conte - I never blamed him in the first place, as many others didn't too. Players blamed him, players like Willian and Luiz, both world-class, and of course atmosphere got toxic.

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

7 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Im 90% its the players. Sure Sarri has terrible subs and is responsible for Jorginho and all problems releated to it, but the players on pitch are absolutely spineless. 

The moment pool and city escaped, we knew there wont be a title and while we were never good enough to beat pool or city, we were good enough to finish 3rd comfortably. But the players went from 5th gear to 2nd instead of fighting on for 3rd. 

Thats why we had ups and downs in the past. Title season and then bust. The moment they see we wont win title, they stop giving a shit. 

Tonight Sarri dropped Alonso for Emerson. Higs as new striker and Pedro for Willian. Our best lineup.

We lose, never mind. But the way we did it? Players strolling, jogging, zero urgency in attack. 

And no its not Sarriball. This shit worked perfectly from august to october. Then it just stops? Players stop creating and suddenly Sarriball is the problem?

I know its hard to face the truth but the players are either spineless mercenaries or pure shit, believe its the former since they turn up in some games when they want to. 

Its easy to point at the manager, but this shit happend under Mou, under Conte. Sarri didnt win title, but we had bloody brilliant run till november.

I'm 100% sure it's the players JM AC and now MS they are stealing a fucking livng from this club and I myself am sick to fucking deaf of it.

[Muzchap 8,966]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

I know it's easy to remember the likes of Terry, Lampard, Ivanovic, Drogba etc as heroes because of the success we have had but it's really worth remembering that we had shockers with those same lot as well. Remember 2010/11? 2011/12 (under AVB)? 2015/16? Even 2008/09 (to an extent)?

So, it's not only the current lot who can't get motivated or do not have the right mentality.

Yes but in every case the players stopped giving a fuck and knew the manager would be replaced.

This is the rod we have made for our own back- players are bigger than the manager and they know it.

I'm not saying Sarri is totally blameless- but the players need to do what he asks - not what they want to do.

Luiz jogging back, no movement or running from the team.

You stick Sarri in Liverpool or City and they would be winning the league. I firmly believe that. 

Jorghino looks shit because nobody moves up front or bothers running the channels - we have no width and no desire 

I'm sure Sarri will get sacked- but I don't think it's all his fault.

[Muzchap 8,966]

9 minutes ago, Mana said:

CHO wasn't present. It wasn't our best lineup.

I don't think that is fair- CHO has looked good against weaker opposition but is still developing.

And who knows where his head is at mentally?

 

 

[Special Juan 28,141]

Our strongest line up is only strong when all the players are ready to fight and want to play.

[Muzchap 8,966]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Then what has he been doing for these 6-7 months? It's Sarri's job to coach the players, to make them work in a proper setup but he's failing on that front. First, he blames the players' mentality when we lose a game and now it's because we haven't learned his football.  

I think it's more the players don't give a fuck and do what they want.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Just now, Mana said:

I think it's very fair on what he offers, compared to Willian and Pedro.

I think you are vastly overrating his current abilities- no denying he could be a huge star, but he's still learning. 

I think if he had played the result would have been the same.

[Chelsea_firstlove 178]

[ccheongf 211]

Chelsea facing crisis already,.. Sarri blamed players again.  Still sticking to Jorghino kicking the ball around. Every  team knows ,take out jorghino, Sari ball is dead. Soon players will start to rebel. First round 2 players already stood up.  OOoh oohhhh crisis again. Right time Abromovich sells the club to someone else.

[Vesper 30,195]

13 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I don't remember losing by 4 goals in Roman era? 

Last time in a league game was 1996. Victimpool 5 1

The presenters said last time we got a 4 nil loss in a league game was in the 70's. Still trying to verify that.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

Only found the result this morning, after going 2-0 down it was obvious we were well and truly fucked.

Sarri can fuck off as soon as and take fucking Jorginho with him.

We can then have Zola as interim manger, maybe with Jodie as assistant.

I've had enough of Sarri i said from the start I didn't reckon him, now his ineptitude is just boundless, just wish he would fuck off immediately.

I think that the players performances and their demeanour is down to him, he criticise's them in public, won't change tactics, plays the Wee man out of position, won't pick odoi.

Just don't forget the away support when taking Higgy off, "you don't know what your doing" how fucking true.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

So when it happened, we blamed Mourinho and Conte for causing chaos and now it's all the players' fault? You said the players don't have the right mentality..fine but shouldn't it be the manager's job to forge the team to match his own mentality? Sarri's job isn't just make us play better football (HA HA) but also make us more consistent and right now, he's failing to offer any kind of glimpses to suggest he will make it work long term.

I know it's easy to say this now but that unbeaten run earlier in the season papered over the cracks. We saw the same of kind of turgid football that we're seeing now and only difference is we had players coming up with moments of individual brilliance. But since teams started to suss us out, we have been even more clueless than before and Sarri has offered no solutions to solve those issues. No Plan B, no tactical changes, no nothing.

Mourinho in the end was indeed terrible, he was on decline which shown in United too. Too defensive football and all. 

Conte Im not sure, he never got his players and who knows what went behind the scenes. Willian at the very least was unhappy about him, maybe there could be others. I guess the way Conte dealt with Costa left sour taste on many players. But IMO it wasnt his fault only. The players were just as responsible as the manager. We have seen same pattern. Did well till january (2nd) and then massive flop down. Im not sure it was right choice to sack Conte, but it was something that had to be done. The players were not commited to him and then you need to go.

With Sarri, I dont see any disconnect between him and players on personal level. He plays "attacking" football and didnt have any major clash with any player. I see this as motivation problem. Players know they wont win title and they dont give a shit. Simple. 

And you cant just get manager to boost their mentality. This was reccuring thing for few seasons now under different managers. Napoli and Juve players were commited and motivated, so its hardly to say Conte and Sarri dont know how to. Its then on players to try, but we dont if there are no trophies, its evident from last and this season. We have experienced, older squad and they cant be molded to suddenly give all to finish 3rd. Honestly I dont. They want titles. No manager will motivate them to give all for 3rd place. But then again to win title we are far from complete and inconsistent.

We are in a loop. Not good enough to win title, but the players think they are too good to feel pride in finishing 3rd. 

Maybe if we change coach, we will suddenly perform again and people will say Sarri couldnt motivate them, but I bet my ass as soon honeymoon period is over, we go back to shit. So I dont think its the manager problem.

 

[Muzchap 8,966]

23 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Mourinho in the end was indeed terrible, he was on decline which shown in United too. Too defensive football and all. 

Conte Im not sure, he never got his players and who knows what went behind the scenes. Willian at the very least was unhappy about him, maybe there could be others. I guess the way Conte dealt with Costa left sour taste on many players. But IMO it wasnt his fault only. The players were just as responsible as the manager. We have seen same pattern. Did well till january (2nd) and then massive flop down. Im not sure it was right choice to sack Conte, but it was something that had to be done. The players were not commited to him and then you need to go.

With Sarri, I dont see any disconnect between him and players on personal level. He plays "attacking" football and didnt have any major clash with any player. I see this as motivation problem. Players know they wont win title and they dont give a shit. Simple. 

And you cant just get manager to boost their mentality. This was reccuring thing for few seasons now under different managers. Napoli and Juve players were commited and motivated, so its hardly to say Conte and Sarri dont know how to. Its then on players to try, but we dont if there are no trophies, its evident from last and this season. We have experienced, older squad and they cant be molded to suddenly give all to finish 3rd. Honestly I dont. They want titles. No manager will motivate them to give all for 3rd place. But then again to win title we are far from complete and inconsistent.

We are in a loop. Not good enough to win title, but the players think they are too good to feel pride in finishing 3rd. 

Maybe if we change coach, we will suddenly perform again and people will say Sarri couldnt motivate them, but I bet my ass as soon honeymoon period is over, we go back to shit. So I dont think its the manager problem.

 

Get rid of the prima donnas and bring in hungry players. If that means the youth and a few seasons of transition I don't care

I just want to see 100% commitment every single game from every single player- otherwise they can GTFO.

 

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

1 hour ago, Chelsea_firstlove said:

proper Chelsea team

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The Eddie Howe comment that is a damning indictment of 'Sarri-ball' at Chelsea

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/fixtures-results/bournemouth-chelsea-howe-sarri-ball-15757757

[Fulham Broadway 17,319]

2 hours ago, Muzchap said:

I don't think that is fair- CHO has looked good against weaker opposition but is still developing.

And who knows where his head is at mentally?

 

 

Agreed. He’s still got a long way to go, for sure. We saw some great touches and a lovely goal the other day, but we also saw some naïvety and poor decision making.
Also highly unlikely Bayern would necessarily give him significantly more game time than we will over the next 18 months or so.

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

Someone mentioned 'vertical tiki taka'. We absolutely don't play that way. It's slow and side ways. Sarri is spot on with too many players having their back to goal. That means no is making runs. Which means the opponents know where space is and can plug it. Kante, believe it or not, does that well. Just look at his chance. 

Kovacic isn't working. Hazard just wants to carry the ball to the box. We need quick and EARLY passing

[Jase 43,479]

6 minutes ago, Supermonkey92 said:

Someone mentioned 'vertical tiki taka'. We absolutely don't play that way. It's slow and side ways. Sarri is spot on with too many players having their back to goal. That means no is making runs. Which means the opponents know where space is and can plug it. Kante, believe it or not, does that well. Just look at his chance. 

Kovacic isn't working. Hazard just wants to carry the ball to the box. We need quick and EARLY passing

Isn't that Sarri's job to coach the players to make the right movements, to keep passing forward? Isn't it his job to select the right players to do what he wants? Why not play Loftus-Cheek and Pedro who will offer more goal threat? Why keep on playing players who like to be on the ball so much - Hazard, Willian, Kovacic? It's a fucking joke that Kante is our joint-third highest goalscorer in the league and has the same number of goals as Willian, Loftus-Cheek, Barkley and more than Kovacic!