Vesper 30,185 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mana said: It was a 3-3 draw, last minute equaliser from the youths. The debunking was a response to someone saying the youths beat the seniors (not true). Thanks. So not fake news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio8 736 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Vesper said: Kante HAS to be moved from his position NOW or sold or Sarri has to be sacked NOW. Sarri either 1. changes formations and moves Kante back to his proper role as a pure DMF (best option) 2. Uses Kante in Jorginho role (dont think it will work) 3. Sell Kante this summer OR sack Sarri and bring in manager who will implement option 1. Experiment is OVER. It was a FAIL. 4 3 3 Sarriball wont work in the EPL unless we drop £500m on a new squad, which we wont. Removing Kante from DMF role has been DISASTROUS. Move him back to his old role. Scrap Sarriball OR sell Kante to help partially fund that half a billion upgrade. If Sarri refuses, sack his fucking ass. So sick of all this. I dont give a DAMN that Kante is a goid enough athlete to play CMF to a sorta oki level. Put him fucking back to the position he is by far the best in the world at. If Sarri won't, then fuck Sarri. Moving Kante has been a horrifically bad move. Jorginho is simply not an EPL level DMF. Far too weak, frail, lazy. He is a pure fraud as a DMF. Even his passing is vastly overrated. I think he has to go, along with Sarri. Not happy at all. This shit is NOT going to fix itself. Delusional to think so. I want to ask you 2 things: 1)what is the chelsea's potential position on the premier league's table in your mind? 2)what objectives chelsea has FAILED at today? Vesper and 0007 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Vesper said: Link the debunking. 3 hours ago, Mana said: It was a 3-3 draw, last minute equaliser from the youths. The debunking was a response to someone saying the youths beat the seniors (not true). It was a training match which happens after training every week. Mix of development and first team squad players. Im sure this is not the first time its finizhed a draw, its just lazy journalists trying to create a story where there isnt one. It was hardly the first 11 we put out against City. Thread is there with all the information. Supermonkey92, Fernando and Vesper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Fernando 6,585 Posted February 13, 2019 Popular Post! Share Posted February 13, 2019 I will still keep him and get rid of a lot of players this summer. Willian, pedro, if hazard wants to leave he can. Cahill, drinkwater, and others if can. Get 3 or 4 players this summer. And start building from there. I expected from the beginning a season like this. It is why I'm not angry like most here because I expected this... When you try to change the identity of the club you will have a very mediocre season. What you expect is that in the second season you see some progress of where your trying to go. Let's hope that the people who run this club also expected this.... kc_blue, Muzchap, Unionjack and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just a matter of time, we have slipped out of the CL spot now and EL is the only passage in if we we fail in the league. I don't think he will survive and be gone by March Henrique and 11Drogba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 38 minutes ago, Antonio8 said: I want to ask you 2 things: 1)what is the chelsea's potential position on the premier league's table in your mind? 2)what objectives chelsea has FAILED at today? The best I can possibly see us finishing is 4th. Obviously Manure is a huge problem there, perhaps even Arsenal. I do not see us catching Spuds, I do not see Manure or Arse catching Spuds. We are still in 4 comps (EL, EPL, League Cup, FA Cup) Unless a miracle occurs I do not see us wining either domestic cup, as we will have to beat Manure AND more than likely Shitty in the FA Cup and beat Shitty again in the League Cup. I I have to say about those two cups is that it looks terrible, as in 6 nil terrible. The EL is probably our best shot at qualifying for the CL next year, but there are many teams who could beat us. The winner of Lazio/Sevilla, Napoli, Inter, Arsenal, Bayer, RB Salzburg, and Frankfurt. Hopefully we get a break in the draws and only have to face the best teams in either the semi-finals or the final. We have not technically failed yet at any of the 4, but the odds are bad. The odds we fail at all 4 are over 50%, for sure (unless Manure now collapses). We are playing like absolute SHIT. That is beyond dispute. Something has to give or we will end up in 6th place in the EPL (maybe even 7th if we really collapse more and Wolves or Watford go on a tear, although I do NOT see that happening). If we just keep rolling out same players, same system/formation and then lose Eden and CHO and fuck up their replacements, plus do not significantly sell and upgrade multiple other positions, we will be in deep danger next year of not even qualifying for the EL, let alone CL. That also doesn't even take into account a possible 2 year transfer ban. The club has entered into a very, very dangerous zone of potential steep decline. The club needs to be sold. Roman clearly doesn't run a tight ship anymore, plus he is too encumbered by geo-political tangential issues. Antonio8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0007 511 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, Fernando said: I will still keep him and get rid of a lot of players this summer. Willian, pedro, if hazard wants to leave he can. Cahill, drinkwater, and others if can. Get 3 or 4 players this summer. And start building from there. I expected from the beginning a season like this. It is why I'm not angry like most here because I expected this... When you try to change the identity of the club you will have a very mediocre season. What you expect is that in the second season you see some progress of where your trying to go. Let's hope that the people who run this club also expected this.... That is what I am talking about! I am also not angry. You lay the foundations of the change and then eventually see the fruits of it. But we want it all at the same time. Muzchap, Unionjack and jernej93 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Special Juan said: Just a matter of time, we have slipped out of the CL spot now and EL is the only passage in if we we fail in the league. I don't think he will survive and be gone by March Even if we don't get CL, sacking him and getting a new manager with no CL is the same issue we have when Sarri came in. Depleting squad, no CL. Makes no sense sacking to me. Unless you get a manager that is good for youth, but we don't appoint those managers. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Fernando said: I will still keep him and get rid of a lot of players this summer. Willian, pedro, if hazard wants to leave he can. Cahill, drinkwater, and others if can. Get 3 or 4 players this summer. And start building from there. I expected from the beginning a season like this. It is why I'm not angry like most here because I expected this... When you try to change the identity of the club you will have a very mediocre season. What you expect is that in the second season you see some progress of where your trying to go. Let's hope that the people who run this club also expected this.... Given what they did to sign him, I expect so. However, I can't see Sarri staying if we fall out of Top 4 or don't win Europa. I would be very surprised if he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Given what they did to sign him, I expect so. However, I can't see Sarri staying if we fall out of Top 4 or don't win Europa. I would be very surprised if he does. Same. Not based on what he's trying to do but more the fact he hasn't made changes when things have gone or are going bad. There's only so much time can give. Have a poor season doesn't bother me. Its when the same lot get played and play same way that does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Unionjack 7,531 Posted February 13, 2019 Popular Post! Share Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 11:59 AM, Fernando said: expected from the beginning a season like this. It is why I'm not angry like most here because I expected this... I expected a bad start but that we would gradually get better as we got used to it.'But we have a group of players that are not playing like a team just individuals. Appy polly loggies cause I can feel a rant coming on!! Just pass on if you want! Just trying to make sense out of the jumble in my head. With Sarri this is the last 3 managers that have all had problems with a similar team. There's got to be some inkling of truth to it. One manager you might think - excuses, But to have all 3 saying there's problems mentally that's a problem. They are well known for their dressing room tantrums. They are either not following what Sarri has had them do in training on purpose or they are not capable of following instructions. We are like some demented yoyo right now up/down/up/down - Play shit/Play good/Play shit. There's got to be some sort of mental problem and not only not able to play well. They are all Billy Big Bollox in the dressing room but when the shit is down on the pitch and we are in trouble they wind their necks back into their shells. I've been trying to think of what the problem could be for my own sanity and asking these questions in my head. I'm sure we all have asked ourselves some things similar. Maybe we just don't have the right players to play in Sarris way? Maybe its because of the way we have played predominantly over the last 20 or so years. This system is based on high pressing. Our forwards generally can't! If we want a high pressing,fast team that plays attractive,exciting football then we have to buy those type of players. Pully is a good start IMO tho MAYBE a little lightweight for the PL. Lets hope not.. Both of our previous managers have played completely different styles. Each one brought in players to fit their specific style/needs. Right now we are left with a patchwork quilt of a team with players trying to change their styles they have played their whole lives. The board has never shown any consistency in the way we want to go forward. No plan. No identity. Diddly squat! We have been playing on the back foot more defensively and just forgotten how to go forward as a team. But that would still mean we would be able to defend together. The team cant listen to instruction - cant be that Shirley not. Almost same squad switched to and played Contes 3/4/3 fine. They played great early season this year, They listened and changed and beat Shitty 2-0 a couple of months ago. We beat Victimpool and almost beat them twice! Exact same players ffs! Is it Sarri? He complains that his players dont listen but still uses those same ones without trying the others out. Why doesn't he adapt and try new ideas thru the game? Is Sarri capable of re building a whole team of players to suit his style? He doesn't have that expertise and hasn't need to do so before.I dunno. We bring in Sarri and ask him to do what Pep has done at Shitty and lesser so Klopp and Poch, but we should have some football knowledge at board level that should stand up and say he can't be asked to do it if we only give him 1 player, a loanee and a couple of yoofs! Those other 3 managers were given total support from their club. From before he came we knew this was a very rigid style structure and that the team had to fully get into it for it to work. We saw all the scouting vids etc of how he got Napoli moving as one. So if the board and players (and us) don't fully get behind Sarri they cant blame him for not being able to implement his style. It is a very rigid structure. Is it TOO rigid for the PL? OK so what if we/the board, fully get behind Sarri. We change all these players that I think needs upgrading but still find theres problems and we dont get silverware. Roman says fuck this get a new manager. WTF happens then if the board goes out and brings in a defence minded manager again?? We will be sitting with players that we bought for a different purpose again. We need to get a direction, an identity and some continuity. I do honestly think that we COULD do a good job under Sarri with the right players. But it will still upset me some as Sarri is now saying exactly what Mou and Conte said that we need a overhaul. We could have done this under Conte and backed him. My overhaul means a good 6 or 7 players being changed of the squad we have put forward for the PL to start with. Rant Over Sideshow Luiz, Muzchap, Blue Armour and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobematabryant 400 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I'm all well and good with giving managers time. I understand that our model has shifted to a more patient approach with emphasis on building a sustainable team, that will challenge down the line. Guardiola was given time and now he has transformed City in a formidable side. His first season was an improvement season to their previous season, when they finished 4th under Pellegrini, so whilst they weren't the finished product, they still made progress as they finished higher. That's not even to mention, Guardiola has one of the best CV's in world football, boasting numerous titles and European cups, so this guy is a proven serial winner. Now, us? We look absolutely hopeless. 6-0 is our worst defeat in the PL era, 4-0 is the worst defeat since 1995. That's not progress. We have regressed even further. There's no shame in losing to City. Had we played decent "sarri-ball" but lost the game, that'd be fine and I'd be down with giving time with this experiment. Sarri has never won anything in his life, his CV is a far cry from Guardiola and "sarri-ball" at its peak, lost the title to Juventus by a comfortable fashion. Not to say, they choked the title away once they were in the driving seat, beating Juve away from home. Now, this isn't the manager I want to give time to. He has no credentials. You can't compare him to Klopp or Guardiola, they have credentials of being a top manager. Let's also mention, Sarri-ball at its peak, was an abysmal failure in Europe, losing to City both times, losing out on KO to Shakhtar Donetsk. While teams like As Roma have achieved so much in Europe in the mean time. That's a fucking embarrassment track record. Giving Sarri time to "build" a team, is like United waiting on Moyes to build a team. You are just simply wasting your time with mediocrity. 11Drogba and Henrique 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, kobematabryant said: Giving Sarri time to "build" a team, is like United waiting on Moyes to build a team. You are just simply wasting your time with mediocrity. Laughable comparison. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobematabryant 400 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Laughable comparison. Both managers never and will ever win anything in their career, and are not suited to the top level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, kobematabryant said: Both managers never and will ever win anything in their career, and are not suited to the top level. Comparing a man who broke the Serie A record with little to no budget and having only Zielinski and the ghost of Christian Maggio as bench options, to David Moyes is well and truly a laughable comparison. kellzfresh, 0007 and Muzchap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdlk 286 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 And no top manager will come here, since we sack them for breakfast or board doesn't support the manager. Muzchap and 0007 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Fernando said: I will still keep him and get rid of a lot of players this summer. Willian, pedro, if hazard wants to leave he can. Cahill, drinkwater, and others if can. Get 3 or 4 players this summer. And start building from there. I expected from the beginning a season like this. It is why I'm not angry like most here because I expected this... When you try to change the identity of the club you will have a very mediocre season. What you expect is that in the second season you see some progress of where your trying to go. Let's hope that the people who run this club also expected this.... I expected some realy bad defensive performances where we get destroyed and I even said it when we signed Sarri for fans to beware of this situation. It wont be Sarriball instantly,but will take at least two seasons to kick in. Whenever you decide to turn defensive team into high line pressing one, expect some teams could ridicule our defenders. BUT that said, I didnt expect THIS big defeats. 4:0 against someone like bournemouth or biggest loss in our PL history like 6:0 vs City. That was way way over the line and it makes you wonder if this is necessary evil for better tomorrow or plain suicide. 3:0 against some big rivals or something like 2:0 against average teams is fine all things considered, but we were murdered and disgraced by City and Bournemouth. Maybe Bournemouth loss alone could be explainable, but then City loss soon after, dunno its becoming a pattern and not some freak moment (like Pep lost to Everton 4:0 in first season) Also Jorginho gets shut down way to easily and our attack is painfuly slow and uncreative. Its hardly a progress and its hard to be optimistic. Even for first season under Sarri, we could show some more spark in attack. I guess next three games (not counting malmo fixtures) are make it or break it for Sarri. The club lacks patience, however I think we should give him some trust and time, but if we end up on 4-5 heavy defeats in such short time, there is no coach in any club in world surviving this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 59 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Laughable comparison. He was spot on. 11Drogba 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, gdlk said: And no top manager will come here, since we sack them for breakfast or board doesn't support the manager. They will. They receive a fat paycheck if they get fired. This is what really matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Henrique said: He was spot on. No. It was laughably erroneous. 10 minutes ago, Henrique said: They will. They receive a fat paycheck if they get fired. This is what really matter. Absolute pity you still think we can operate that way despite the state the club and the market is currently in. 0007, Muzchap and kellzfresh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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