The Sarri Thread

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, Henrique said:

That Chelsea Reddit page is full of people with the same old common sense form yesterday. The word there is: the club needs stability and think long term. Abramovich bought Chelsea 15 years ago, and no other club in England won more trophies than Chelsea. Liverpool won just 3 trophies during this period: 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup and 1 League Cup...but some people are pretty convinced they are doing a better job than Chelsea. City is spending money for fun, but right now their better result in Europe was not getting embarrassed by Real Madri in a UCL semi-final. 

City "long-term" project is spending big cash on players for fun and hiring the best manager in the world available (cheating the financial fair play in the process)...but people act like City superb squad is the product of a long term project from people who know how to run a club. City current squad is no more than the product from unlimited transfer budget. 

All big team has superb squad by spending. The important thing for having a good long term plan is to allow you to build team that is suited to your way while minimizing bad tranfer. In our case drinkwater and bakayoko. We just signed them last year but 70 m. Now both of them are not part of the team simply because he is not suited to Sarri football. 

That is what having good long term plan help you. Of course all of this can be solved if you have unlimited amount of money and you can keep fixing your mistake by spending. 

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7 hours ago, Henrique said:

Thats completely false. Guardiola turned Chelsea down because he had a better offer. City was offering more money, and was willing to give him more power. Simple as that. Chelsea always hired managers that are considered "top", even if the club is well known to sack managers before the end of contract. Managers are professionals and they are interested in getting as much cash as possible, or are you telling me that Scolari, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Conte and now Sarri were not considered top managers when they were appointed? 

So guardiola rejected us simply because of money. Guardiola is one of the sought after manager in the world, he is not dumb. He will not pick just any team, he will pick team that can play his football and win games. He also knew that city has txi that will support him. Wrong pick and he is probably known to be a failure in England. 

 

[Henrique 9,133]

34 minutes ago, communicate said:

All big team has superb squad by spending. The important thing for having a good long term plan is to allow you to build team that is suited to your way while minimizing bad tranfer. In our case drinkwater and bakayoko. We just signed them last year but 70 m. Now both of them are not part of the team simply because he is not suited to Sarri football. 

That is what having good long term plan help you. Of course all of this can be solved if you have unlimited amount of money and you can keep fixing your mistake by spending. 

Mate, City is full of expensive flops in recent years, Mangala and Bony to name a few. The thing os, they buy so many players in the transfer window that eventually some of them are good enough.

The Idea that City is this processional club, while Chelsea is a bunch of amateurs just doesnt make much sense.

City just have bigger money at the moment, and thats the only difference.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

First things first, Alonso and Barkley have zero quality to be anywhere near first 11.

Both are good enough only for cup games and bottom of the PL. 

Thats where we should start in summer. 

There is no excuse that Alonso got his extension. He can rot on the bench for few years, but the board shouldnt be that stupid to not buy new LB just because of Alonso contract. Its obvious any good club would replace him as soon as possible. If he remains our LB next season, we are definately done as elite club. 

Then you have to deal with CB (Luiz), (DM) Jorginho, (RW)Pedro/Willian, (ST)Higuain, maybe (LW) Hazard if he leaves,...

Oh what fun.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

2 hours ago, Henrique said:

Mate, City is full of expensive flops in recent years, Mangala and Bony to name a few. The thing os, they buy so many players in the transfer window that eventually some of them are good enough.

The Idea that City is this processional club, while Chelsea is a bunch of amateurs just doesnt make much sense.

City just have bigger money at the moment, and thats the only difference.

We have about 1/3rd less cash each summer compared to City, so yeah they can beat us there any day. BUT if we had smart board, we have enough cash to make great side. 

However we get rid of quality talent all the time and buy overrated shit. We dont have a DoF that would make some sort of plan for at least 2 summer windows and solve our key issues systematically.

We also splash cash on overrated or unproven and overpriced players. 

40m on Drinkwater? 60m on Pulisic?,...

We are somehow ready to splash 70m on Morata and 70m on Kepa, but at the same time we are not ready to pay bit more for quality unless its direct replacement for someone leaving. 

Our expensive additions came in Kepa who replaced Tibo, Morata who replaced Costa and Jorginho who replaced Bakayoko who replaced Matic. Pulisic I have feeling will be Hazard replacement if he leaves.

I have to wonder what did board expect in summer when they appointed Sarri. Sure he got Jorginho, but we also saw Kante shifted in different role, Azpi in entirely different system (both very consistent previous seasons), fullbacks who are realy bad for Sarri football, Morata who was just shit. Same goes for our players on RW. Then cherry on top, our midfield who should be extremely solid with all those players, turns to be our weak point after few months. No defensive stability, no creativity etc. 

In other words, if this club wants Sarri to succeed, either they have to spend like crazy or spend realy realy realy smart. I dont think we have capacity to do either. 

[communicate 2,703]

2 hours ago, Henrique said:

Mate, City is full of expensive flops in recent years, Mangala and Bony to name a few. The thing os, they buy so many players in the transfer window that eventually some of them are good enough.

The Idea that City is this processional club, while Chelsea is a bunch of amateurs just doesnt make much sense.

City just have bigger money at the moment, and thats the only difference.

I agree, I don't want to use this city as example because it is a dangerous example. They can make bad signing and solve it in the next transfer window with ease. Similar to people who keep talking about how great our team in Mou and Ancelotti era. That team was like this city team. 

But back to our team. I support Sarri but if he is sacked so be it. But have a long term plan, if you want to play possession pressures football, don't veer off. People forget we hire AVB to change our football. We signed player to play this way. Hazard, kdb, mata. Technical player everywhere. It was a failure because change take time but more importantly AVB is just not good enough. But then we hire Mou and Conte. Back to counter attacking football and now back to possession football under Sarri. This kind of chop and change policy is too expensive in the long run. 

 

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20 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

 

I have to wonder what did board expect in summer when they appointed Sarri. Sure he got Jorginho, but we also saw Kante shifted in different role, Azpi in entirely different system (both very consistent previous seasons), fullbacks who are realy bad for Sarri football, Morata who was just shit. Same goes for our players on RW. Then cherry on top, our midfield who should be extremely solid with all those players, turns to be our weak point after few months. No defensive stability, no creativity etc. 

 

I know. Three of the most exciting teams last season were city, pool and spurs. The board want us to play that style. I don't know whether Sarri is the right man but does the board has the patient and money to support this change and does the fans be willing to accept a very up and down season.Because unless we can just spend 200 m in one summer it will be a long and painful journey. 

One example is changing our defending approach from defending deep (which is what we are known for years now, and very proud of) to defending by pressing. We simply cannot do it consistently because our team is just suck at pressing. But so far our defensive record was decent before this poor run of form because of our ability to retain possession. But it was masking our defensive deficiency. 

 

[mccg 1,528]

Maurizio Sarri and Chelsea players look glum as Blues squad holds crisis meeting after Man City thumping

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/02/12/chelsea-clear-the-air-talks-maurizio-sarri-glum-at-training/

[Romans disciples 26]

l think crisis is an exaggeration.  The Brit media had always been disreputable towards us .

A bad result but we move on . We can always hold our heads high as we are Chelsea and destiny is with us .

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

34 minutes ago, Romans disciples said:

l think crisis is an exaggeration.  The Brit media had always been disreputable towards us .

A bad result but we move on . We can always hold our heads high as we are Chelsea and destiny is with us .

Id say crisis is about right. More problems than just Sarri though. From top t.bottom there is problems. Board, lack of vision and poor recruitment. Manager, failing to motivate players. Players struggling to get to grips with the managers instructions or perform at times. Lack of youth being integrated over the last 10 years.

[Vesper 30,183]

Chelsea troubles run far deeper than Maurizio Sarri - he can't take all the blame

Ageing squad and disinterested owner point to bigger problems

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea/chelsea-troubles-run-far-deeper-than-maurizio-sarri-he-cant-take-all-the-blame-a4064131.html

 

[DDA 9,941]

The inevitable reports coming out that Sarri has lost the dressing room. 

Our squad is an embarrassment. I have never felt as ashamed of our team of players than I do now.

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, DDA said:

The inevitable reports coming out that Sarri has lost the dressing room. 

Our squad is an embarrassment. I have never felt as ashamed of our team of players than I do now.

The confusing thing is when i look at the squad namely the players that start i look and think who and how do we mentally collapse whenever we are in setbacks. The 15/16 squad were accused of similar but what has to be noted is i think only about 5 players remain from that squad so have we recruited badly (mentality wise) since or is it a club issue?

I don't think the squad are mentally weak (you don't win what we have since the core players were assembled if that were the case) and i actually think that could be part of the problem on a week by week basis, they want every match to be the big match, a match a trophy is within distance, for all the other faults you can't take away the fact they almost always deliver under those pressure situation's (which shouldn't be underestimated, look at how a very talented Spurs squad crack under the same pressure).

I don't think the players specifically are trouble makers either, not intentionally anyway i mean looking at our first eleven. Kepa, Jorginho, Kova and Higuain have just arrived, Rudiger, Luiz, Kante,and Azpi definitely don't fall into that category, Barkley seems determined to make it here, Hazard would have rage quit years ago if his attitude was a bad as myth portrayed and Pedro is a player who got to have the career he had mainly on attitude and application so i'd be amazed if he was a culprit. The only one's i look at out of regular starters and think maybe,are Alonso and Willian, and would those two alone be enough to sway a dressing room? There seems no obvious candidate looking at the second Xl with the possible exception of CHO. 

Seems to be deep rooted for some reason, Barca in 2008 Real (twice in a few years) and now United managed to solve similar issue's by appointing a club legend who got the club and had everyone singing from the same hymn sheet, should Sarri's position become untenable which looks a matter of time (which is a shame because i genuinely like what he's trying to do in terms of on the pitch but that's for another post) then i think it's time for us to do the same.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

[Matt Law] Maurizio Sarri's Chelsea fate hanging on crucial fortnight with Italian under pressure to win Europa League

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/02/11/maurizio-sarris-chelsea-fate-hanging-crucial-fortnight-italian/

"Having started so well under the latest head coach, Chelsea players have become bored by Sarri’s rigid training methods and overwhelmed by the tactical information he has tried to instil in them over recent weeks.

His preference to start most of his training sessions at 3pm has also been unpopular with a number of players, who had become used to earlier routines under previous managers. But the players were called in during the morning on Monday."

 

 

After we tried a counter attacking coach in Conte and now a Possession coach in Sarri, I think we need a new coach who can pamper these players so that they wont get angry.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

As a posession coach he's not doing anything that great.... Be nice to have posession and actually win rather then have it all and lose. That's the issue with his play. Which part the reason why we've gone from being 11 ahead to 1 behind. 

The dressing room situation has been and always will be pathetic. Have respect ffs. 

[!Hazard! 3,394]

I'd give Sarri another season and two more transfer windows to show what he's got. I think any manager deserves two full seasons, at least one full pre-season and four transfer windows to shape the squad to his liking. We need to get rid of those rotten players one way or another, might as well do that under Sarri's management. At least he will prefer technical and intelligent players that can be useful for any manager that tries to play modern football and not load the squad with players like Alonso, Willian, Drinkwater, Barkley etc. And even if he fails he will undoubtedly prepare the squad to play proper possession football and the new manager could pick it up and continue to build on that. 

Under the condition that he's forced to integrate several youth and loan players of his choice to the squad I am ready to back him up in this transition. I am sick and tired of blaming the manager every single time when it's clear that many of the problems lie elsewhere.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

Have we heard similar complaints from Napoli dressing room in terms of boring rigid training sessions etc.? As far as I know many of the players like Mertens seemed to praise Sarri for the work that he had done and not bitch about his training methods

[Special Juan 28,141]

It's starting all again, noises in the dressing room now media reports.

He's a dead man walking.

[Henrique 9,133]

50 minutes ago, DDA said:

The inevitable reports coming out that Sarri has lost the dressing room. 

Our squad is an embarrassment. I have never felt as ashamed of our team of players than I do now.

Mate, thats a problem in modern football. Players are the real bosses. Its not something related with this specific group of players. How many times a manager lost the dressing room? Scolari, AVB, Mourinho, Conte, Sarri. From Drogba and Lampard to William Ana Hazard. Dressing room is where the power is. When the players are not motivated or dont understand the tactics, they wont perform.

Something similar happened with United and Mourinho.

 

[Superblue 6,372]

24 minutes ago, Tomo said:

The confusing thing is when i look at the squad namely the players that start i look and think who and how do we mentally collapse whenever we are in setbacks. The 15/16 squad were accused of similar but what has to be noted is i think only about 5 players remain from that squad so have we recruited badly (mentality wise) since or is it a club issue?

I don't think the squad are mentally weak (you don't win what we have since the core players were assembled if that were the case) and i actually think that could be part of the problem on a week by week basis, they want every match to be the big match, a match a trophy is within distance, for all their other faults you can't take away the fact they almost always deliver under those pressure situation's (which shouldn't be underestimated, look at how a very talented Spurs squad crack under the same pressure).

I don't think the players specifically are trouble makers either, not intentionally anyway i mean looking at our first eleven. Kepa, Jorginho, Kova and Higuain have just arrived, Rudiger, Luiz, Kante, and Azpi definitely don't fall into that category, Barkley seems determined to make it here, Hazard would have rage quit years ago if his attitude was a bad as myth portrayed and Pedro is a player who got to have the career he has mainly on attitude and application so i'd be amazed if he was a culprit. The only one's i look at out of regular starters and think maybe,are Alonso and Willian, and would those two alone be enough to sway a dressing room? There seems no obvious candidate looking at the second Xl with the possible exception of CHO. 

Seems to be deep rooted for some reason, Barca in 2008 Real (twice in a few years) and now United managed to solve similar issue's by appointing a club legend who got the club and had everyone singing from the same hymn sheet, should Sarri's position become untenable which looks a matter of time (which is a shame because i genuinely like what he's trying to do in terms of on the pitch but that's for another post) then i think it's time for us to do the same.

Don't forget too that the 3 months with Di Matteo we won the one trophy we could never seem to win with a far inferior squad.

A man manager is just as important as tactical in my opinion and sometimes having someone who's past experience as a player demands respect at that club and adoration from the fans helps lift everything. It is somebody the fans immediately like and can get behind and the manager in turn helps instill that confidence and pride of playing for a club that they have an affinity with.

What this club is starting to lose is the leaders and players who will give everything for the love of the shirt. You can't buy that into the club, it happens organically over time. But bringing in someone who already has been there for the club to oversee and motivate the players into that mindset will help that process.

For me if we change the manager, my first choice would be Lampard and Morris.