Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

[Tomo 21,751]

7 hours ago, Vesper said:

He is running our team into the ground with his stupity rotation. .

Hazard is carrying a knock again

and ZERO goals in 9 games now for club and country.

Many of those games we won or drew earlier were due to extraordinary luck, mostly from opponents missing sitter after sitter.

Shit is catching up I fear.

That type of logic works both ways, you say we have won games because opponents missing sitters, well apart from Spurs all our dropped points was a large chunk down to us missing sitters. Also with the rotation they shouldn't be run into the ground already, they are all apart from Kepa and Willian mainly playing once a week at the minute with the odd midweek game so if they are burnt out already Sarri needs to look at his fitness regime not rotation policy. 

I am however with you on Hazard, he should be on the bench until he's 100% fit again. 

[Tomo 21,751]

7 hours ago, Fernando said:

First season is never easy. 

I think Liverpool and City didn't look that great the first season either with Klopp and Guardiola. 

Just got to continue, stick to his idea and see if we can get more players that are suited to his style. As this is the style we want moving forward. Have to accept the rough patches here and there. 

And to add further, Klopp and Pep took over from managers who had similar ideas and philosophys to them, they weren't as effective as they were inferior managers but the base was there for them. 

Sarri has took over a squad trained in a completely different style of football to his. 

[manpe 10,861]

2 hours ago, Tomo said:

Everyone thought Pep was mental not going more pragmatic in his first season but he stuck to his guns and got his rewards, we need to do the same.

Except Pep has been properly backed in the transfer market and has steadily been getting players suitable for his ideas. Our board more than likely thinks Jorginho was enough effort and will revert back to apathetic denial in the market.

[Tomo 21,751]

19 minutes ago, manpe said:

Except Pep has been properly backed in the transfer market and has steadily been getting players suitable for his ideas. Our board more than likely thinks Jorginho was enough effort and will revert back to apathetic denial in the market.

We will have to wait and see on that one, but so far with Jorginho and Kepa it's so far so good. 

[manpe 10,861]

26 minutes ago, Tomo said:

We will have to wait and see on that one, but so far with Jorginho and Kepa it's so far so good. 

Plenty false dawns from recent history, we pull off some rare quality coups and then revert to mediocrity, thinking our problems are solved. I'm not getting my hopes up this time, especially with Roman's state of affairs and a big fat fine looming, or worse - transfer ban. But yeah it's only speculation at this point, let's live and see, but I have no expectations whatsoever that the club will back him.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I don't know how sarri will do it, but he has to find a way to play emerson and zappacosta more. They provide the width that Alonso and Azpi could never dream to provide. The amount of forward runs they make and crosses they put in reminds me of Ashley cole and prime ivanovic. Sarri has to at least try emerson once in the first team lineup with Hazard. There is a reason why Guardiola spent 150mil on fullbacks and went on to win the league in record points, you can't have slow or defensive fullbacks in the modern game anymore.

CHO's performance in his first start for sarri just shows how much willian is limited as a player. He was better in his end product and even dribbling, I just hope the Sarri experiment to test CHO on the right wing was in view to play him more regularly from the bench on that right wing.

Giroud is by far better than Morata and it has been proved once again. Morata can cut his hair or change his jersey number all he wants but we cant rely on a moody striker to step up for us.

[Special Juan 28,132]

7 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

I don't know how sarri will do it, but he has to find a way to play emerson and zappacosta more. They provide the width that Alonso and Azpi could never dream to provide. The amount of forward runs they make and crosses they put in reminds me of Ashley cole and prime ivanovic. Sarri has to at least try emerson once in the first team lineup with Hazard. There is a reason why Guardiola spent 150mil on fullbacks and went on to win the league in record points, you can't have slow or defensive fullbacks in the modern game anymore.

CHO's performance in his first start for sarri just shows how much willian is limited as a player. He was better in his end product and even dribbling, I just hope the Sarri experiment to test CHO on the right wing was in view to play him more regularly from the bench on that right wing.

Giroud is by far better than Morata and it has been proved once again. Morata can cut his hair or change his jersey number all he wants but we cant rely on a moody striker to step up for us.

Morata is totally and utterly mentally destroyed. Look at his goal celebration last night, players look like they are rallying around him, it's like they feel sorry for him and console him when he scores.

I'd love to see Emerson start but I think Sarri has his main stays in the team and I think Alonso is one of them.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

37 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Morata is totally and utterly mentally destroyed. Look at his goal celebration last night, players look like they are rallying around him, it's like they feel sorry for him and console him when he scores.

I'd love to see Emerson start but I think Sarri has his main stays in the team and I think Alonso is one of them.

Unfortunately only an injury will force Sarri to rotate or rest Alonso. I just hope his usual drop in the second half of the season (due to fatigue) doesn't affect us badly then.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

Why is Sarri so insistent on choosing on players like Alonso that can't play his football

[Alabama 1,992]

5 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

Why is Sarri so insistent on choosing on players like Alonso that can't play his football

I cannot comprehend....complete and total antithesis to what he is used to in Napoli where he has mobile modern full backs pumping up and down the flanks...

[manpe 10,861]

1 hour ago, eemanyooel said:

I cannot comprehend....complete and total antithesis to what he is used to in Napoli where he has mobile modern full backs pumping up and down the flanks...

Nor did Conte like Emerson. Conte is a winner, he picks the players he believes give the biggest chance of winning. Sarri is a philosopher, he picks the players he believes can carry out his philosophy to maximum efficiency. So there must be something our peasant minds cannot comprehend - either Alonso is very good at something important that we don't see, or Emerson is so bad at something we put no great importance on, but managers do.

Instead of slating them and forcing our opinions on managers who are far more qualified to make those decisions, let's try to constructively understand WHY Alonso keeps playing while Emerson is a mickey mouse game option only.

I think there are two main reasons for that:

Goals - We lack firepower up front: Our midfield is more a provider than a scorer, our strikers stink so there is not much to whom to provide to. Our wingers also far from clinical, even though Hazard was carrying us earlier. Willian hopeless, a fucking center-back (JT) scored more than him in almost the same amount of games, Pedro old and injury-prone but by far the better option between the two. That's all we have to offer in terms of attacking prowess, it looks pretty bleak if you ask me, so the managers may look towards anything they can find that can produce goals. Alonso has proven that for a defender he scores more than average + his free-kicks are always potential game-changers.

Defending - Yes, he is much slower than Emerson, but his positioning, anticipation, tackling, marking etc. might be better than Emerson's. I'm not a professional football coach to fully understand all the intricacies of defending, I see only the basic stuff (like pace, slide tackles, clearances, blocks), but perhaps over the course of 90 minutes he IS the better defensive option?

[Alabama 1,992]

49 minutes ago, manpe said:

Nor did Conte like Emerson. Conte is a winner, he picks the players he believes give the biggest chance of winning. Sarri is a philosopher, he picks the players he believes can carry out his philosophy to maximum efficiency. So there must be something our peasant minds cannot comprehend - either Alonso is very good at something important that we don't see, or Emerson is so bad at something we put no great importance on, but managers do.

Instead of slating them and forcing our opinions on managers who are far more qualified to make those decisions, let's try to constructively understand WHY Alonso keeps playing while Emerson is a mickey mouse game option only.

I think there are two main reasons for that:

Goals - We lack firepower up front: Our midfield is more a provider than a scorer, our strikers stink so there is not much to whom to provide to. Our wingers also far from clinical, even though Hazard was carrying us earlier. Willian hopeless, a fucking center-back (JT) scored more than him in almost the same amount of games, Pedro old and injury-prone but by far the better option between the two. That's all we have to offer in terms of attacking prowess, it looks pretty bleak if you ask me, so the managers may look towards anything they can find that can produce goals. Alonso has proven that for a defender he scores more than average + his free-kicks are always potential game-changers.

Defending - Yes, he is much slower than Emerson, but his positioning, anticipation, tackling, marking etc. might be better than Emerson's. I'm not a professional football coach to fully understand all the intricacies of defending, I see only the basic stuff (like pace, slide tackles, clearances, blocks), but perhaps over the course of 90 minutes he IS the better defensive option?

Of course you do make logical presentations of the reason Alonso is ahead of Emerson but let's look look at the bigger picture and be realistic... Premier is highly competitive and has a lots of quality teams capable of punishing you...soon fatigue will set in and right now teams will start exploiting his side and unfortunately we have clown Luiz next to him Everton and Spurs have shown once Jorginho is crowded out of the game...80% of our attacking play is down the drain...at least let Sarri shore things or tweak a little bit and introduce this guy especially and see how he is gonna fair...

[Tomo 21,751]

On 29/11/2018 at 9:46 AM, Mana said:

What's with these Italian managers and their stubbornness. Sarri has good attacking football tactics but has major flaws on what players he puts out or playing players out of position.

He doesn't trust Kante in his best ever position, where he has been a monster. We are wasting him. I'm so surprised he signed a new contract with us, but I'll take it.

Failing to use CHO and Emerson and continuously using terrible Willian....he even favours Willian over Pedro! WTFFFFFFFFF!

Luiz has been terrible, horrific...but I'll give Sarri a small pass on that because I don't see anyone much better. Christensen has been playing so poor lately. But I can flip it the other side...is it because he is not getting playing time?

And don't get me started on Morata.

Can't believe we are limping already to January. I just hope we are still within the top 4 by the next window to sort this out. And Sarri, I want to give you a slap in the FACE for even hinting these players are good enough and we don't need anyone in January.

Kante best position doesn't exist in Sarri'tactics, he's not a lone DM and never will be. 

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14 hours ago, manpe said:

Nor did Conte like Emerson. Conte is a winner, he picks the players he believes give the biggest chance of winning. Sarri is a philosopher, he picks the players he believes can carry out his philosophy to maximum efficiency. So there must be something our peasant minds cannot comprehend - either Alonso is very good at something important that we don't see, or Emerson is so bad at something we put no great importance on, but managers do.

Instead of slating them and forcing our opinions on managers who are far more qualified to make those decisions, let's try to constructively understand WHY Alonso keeps playing while Emerson is a mickey mouse game option only.

I think there are two main reasons for that:

Goals - We lack firepower up front: Our midfield is more a provider than a scorer, our strikers stink so there is not much to whom to provide to. Our wingers also far from clinical, even though Hazard was carrying us earlier. Willian hopeless, a fucking center-back (JT) scored more than him in almost the same amount of games, Pedro old and injury-prone but by far the better option between the two. That's all we have to offer in terms of attacking prowess, it looks pretty bleak if you ask me, so the managers may look towards anything they can find that can produce goals. Alonso has proven that for a defender he scores more than average + his free-kicks are always potential game-changers.

Defending - Yes, he is much slower than Emerson, but his positioning, anticipation, tackling, marking etc. might be better than Emerson's. I'm not a professional football coach to fully understand all the intricacies of defending, I see only the basic stuff (like pace, slide tackles, clearances, blocks), but perhaps over the course of 90 minutes he IS the better defensive option?

great post.

I'd add defending high balls as an obvious advantage that Alonso has, as well as his physicality (lacks pace, but loads of power). In attack I think he is WAY better on the ball than folks give him credit for esp passing. On the other hand I do agree he does not add width and cuts inside, which brings me to my other point:

"Our midfield is more a provider than a scorer, our strikers stink so there is not much to whom to provide to." I think not even that at the moment... they are more about ball retention and defending, and that's why Ross usually adds in attack. None of our AMs is great at assisting... (see disc of willian choosing to shoot vs passing). Our lack of width, with every winger and our LB (the RB does not count in the final third) cutting inside as opposed to producing a quick cross or pass, hurts our attacking esp the strikers. I'm not saying that either should be leading our line, but I'm confident both could be having better luck in a different team and setup elsewhere.

Like others have said, it's a work in progress...Also consider that Sarri does not work alone. That as soon as he joined the club, all chelsea coaches started providing him with information about each player. The players are constantly being assessed in practice, training, and matches...

Concerning the "if he had done this..." thing, it is cute and all, but in the end it is just a product of people's imaginations. They are "what if" moments complete biased by personal preference. I do that too like just everybody else (because it's fun!), but in the end it's up to us to know what's realistic and what is not.

[Vesper 30,118]

15 hours ago, manpe said:

Instead of slating them and forcing our opinions on managers who are far more qualified to make those decisions, let's try to constructively understand WHY Alonso keeps playing while Emerson is a mickey mouse game option only.

I think there are two main reasons for that:

Goals 

Defending 

Alonso has ONE GOAL all year, all comps

Emerson's positional defensive play is equal to Alonso's and he has far better pace.

Alonso is so slow that he is even shit on overlapping runs oft-times. Emerson FINALLY looks to be getting back to pre-Roma injury pace, which is explosive compared to La Tortuga.