Olivier Giroud

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16 minutes ago, Azul said:

How did Tammy get ahead of Giroud in the pecking order before the season even started? We both know Giroud had clutch performances which made it possible for us to get top four, which then enabled us to get all these players.   

Some people are unthankful to be honest, and very quick to forget. You either give him enough game time to prove himself or sell him and buy someone else with the intention of making them a bottom tier squad player. 

Nothing against Tammy by the way, he's performing and doing his thing. However he's been given enough game time to prove himself, for all we know it could have been Giroud shining right now.

Simply put, Lampard's system works better with a mobile and fast ST. I see no issues with Tammy at the moment so the outcry for Giroud to start is just bizarre. Having two strikers who offer something different is a great asset to have and until Tammy starts showing a bit of poor form, something that is completely expected, then it would be beneficial to use Giroud. 

Your second sentence is just confusing. We should give in and  jeapordise our season by selling Giroud in January as a thank you memento for him?

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Simply put, Lampard's system works better with a mobile and fast ST. I see no issues with Tammy at the moment so the outcry for Giroud to start is just bizarre. Having two strikers who offer something different is a great asset to have and until Tammy starts showing a bit of poor form, something that is completely expected, then it would be beneficial to use Giroud. 
Your second sentence is just confusing. We should give in and  jeapordise our season by selling Giroud in January as a thank you memento for him?

You literally haven't answered all of my questions, but you continue to ask me questions and expect me to answer all of them?

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4 minutes ago, Azul said:

You literally haven't answered all of my questions, but you continue to ask me questions and expect me to answer all of them?
 

 

29 minutes ago, Azul said:

How did Tammy get ahead of Giroud in the pecking order before the season even started?

 

7 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Simply put, Lampard's system works better with a mobile and fast ST.

 

[Azul 1,615]

 

If that's your answer, then "simply put" you're deluded. Giroud played much better than Tammy towards the end of the season.

 

So if Giroud played much better than him then why did he leapfrog him to start this season? And your answer was because he's more suited to the Lampards "style", even though Giroud was outperforming him a couple of months ago?

 

One thing that I've seen that Tammy lacks this season is hold up play, whenever he has the ball and the defenders tackle him he constantly falls over like a fly. Giroud's hold up play is world class, he literally bullied VVD that's how strong he is. Furthermore he also excels in link-up play, and if you're being honest with yourself you know that Giroud is far superior in these two attributes.

 

The only time pace is preferable as a striker is when you're facing teams that have a high line but when we're facing teams that park the bus you need hold up play and link up play.

 

My reason for selling Giroud is not only because it's out of respect but because you don't want to keep an unhappy player. Someone that earned his place and put in amazing performances is randomly benched, so to be honest I can fully understand why he could be upset. So do you expect him to fight for the club and badge when he's being treated unfairly? Or would you rather sell him and buy someone who knows his role is a second backup striker?

 

 

 

 

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Has Giroud said he is unhappy? A lot of this has come from some French press that get stories very wrong, like Kante is not happy with Lampard. 

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46 minutes ago, Azul said:

If that's your answer, then "simply put" you're deluded. Giroud played much better than Tammy towards the end of the season.

So if Giroud played much better than him then why did he leapfrog him to start this season? And your answer was because he's more suited to the Lampards "style", even though Giroud was outperforming him a couple of months ago?

One thing that I've seen that Tammy lacks this season is hold up play, whenever he has the ball and the defenders tackle him he constantly falls over like a fly. Giroud's hold up play is world class, he literally bullied VVD that's how strong he is. Furthermore he also excels in link-up play, and if you're being honest with yourself you know that Giroud is far superior in these two attributes.

The only time pace is preferable as a striker is when you're facing teams that have a high line but when we're facing teams that park the bus you need hold up play and link up play.

This is a new season. Tammy tends to perform well in the early phase of the season, as we are seeing now and as we saw last year. There are clear differences between Tammy and Giroud, and when you see the football we play at our very best, it's understandable as to why Lampard wants a more mobile forward to make runs and press the opposition back line vs a target man. FFS that's even why we bought Werner. 

You are flat out lying about the hold up play bit. If there's anything Tammy has improved massively on, it's his hold up and link up play. Look at Burnley and Sheffield as examples. Both are two shitehouses and we didn't need Giroud and his world class hold up play. 

46 minutes ago, Azul said:

My reason for selling Giroud is not only because it's out of respect but because you don't want to keep an unhappy player. Someone that earned his place and put in amazing performances is randomly benched, so to be honest I can fully understand why he could be upset. So do you expect him to fight for the club and badge when he's being treated unfairly? Or would you rather sell him and buy someone who knows his role is a second backup striker?

You want to sell him out of respect even if it means our season being potentially jeopardized? Are you for real? 

I would expect Giroud to honor his contract and to be a professional during these circumstances. Something he's been doing this entire time. He'll get plenty of game time this season, especially with injuries and the fact Tammy slows down towards the latter stages of the season. 

 It seems only you and the mad man Deschamps are bothered by the fact Giroud isn't starting for us. 

 

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It's pretty simple.
One is 23 one is 34. One plays similarly to the way we want to play the other offers a completely different option.

Whilst I'm sure everyone knows right this second giroud is arguably the better striker if you analyse them individually as a team tammy is done well and if its close you're gonna lean towards the kid who could be a part of the team for many years to come over the 34 year old he may go soon.

Giroud offers something completely different which will have its uses at times for sure.

[Azul 1,615]

You want to sell him out of respect even if it means our season being potentially jeopardized? Are you for real? 
I would expect Giroud to honor his contract and to be a professional during these circumstances. Something he's been doing this entire time. He'll get plenty of game time this season, especially with injuries and the fact Tammy slows down towards the latter stages of the season. 
 It seems only you and the mad man Deschamps are bothered by the fact Giroud isn't starting for us. 
 

It's very easy to talk when you're sitting at home and doing nothing. When you put yourself in Giroud's shoes you'll understand why he would want to leave the club. He wants to represent his country for one last time in the Euro's and if Lampard is jeopardizing that, then I fully understand his decision to leave if it comes down to that. If you have morals then you know some things are bigger than your love for Chelsea.

If he wants to stay then I'll be happy ofcourse. We could use a different option on the bench, but don't try to justify his place on the bench when it's unfair.

So you're seriously telling me Tammy's hold up play is good all of sudden? Hahah mate, put some glasses on and critically watch the game instead of being biased. He literally get's bullied against every centre-back. It might improve in the future since he's a young player with potential but his hold up play nowadays is almost non-existent.

What are you basing that Giroud will get "plenty of game time" on? He barely got any minutes this season. Everything you're saying is subjective mate.

I knew you'd say that I was bothered by the fact that Giroud isn't starting, even though I made sure to say that I got no problem with Tammy starting since he's playing good. That was very predictable, hence why I clarified that I'm happy with Tammy at the moment. All I'm saying is to respect Giroud's decision to leave if it comes down to that, because I understand where he's coming from for sure. Put yourself in other people's shoes instead of saying stupid shit like "sorry Giroud you need to stay blablabla".

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[Azul 1,615]

It's pretty simple.

One is 23 one is 34. One plays similarly to the way we want to play the other offers a completely different option.

 

Whilst I'm sure everyone knows right this second giroud is arguably the better striker if you analyse them individually as a team tammy is done well and if its close you're gonna lean towards the kid who could be a part of the team for many years to come over the 34 year old he may go soon.

 

Giroud offers something completely different which will have its uses at times for sure.

 

 

Completely agree but these are people's lives we are talking about here, if Giroud was to leave in January his decision should be respected in my opinion. Sometimes fans tend to forget footballers are humans as well.

 

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Completely agree but these are people's lives we are talking about here, if Giroud was to leave in January his decision should be respected in my opinion. Sometimes fans tend to forget footballers are humans as well. 
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Oh I fully agree with that. Unless he's needed he should be allowed to leave if he doesn't wanna be here. I'd rather have 1 less player than have a player that doesn't want to be here.

Now if January comes round and puli and timo are both injured then that changes things and I imagine giroud would want to stay.

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[MoroccanBlue 5,297]

16 hours ago, Azul said:

It's very easy to talk when you're sitting at home and doing nothing. When you put yourself in Giroud's shoes you'll understand why he would want to leave the club. He wants to represent his country for one last time in the Euro's and if Lampard is jeopardizing that, then I fully understand his decision to leave if it comes down to that. If you have morals then you know some things are bigger than your love for Chelsea.

If he wants to stay then I'll be happy ofcourse. We could use a different option on the bench, but don't try to justify his place on the bench when it's unfair.
 

Sitting at home doing nothing. What a tediously condescending argument. 

If you want to argue the concept of morality, let's first discuss the notion of honoring a contract your employer pays you handsomely for.  

16 hours ago, Azul said:

So you're seriously telling me Tammy's hold up play is good all of sudden? Hahah mate, put some glasses on and critically watch the game instead of being biased. He literally get's bullied against every centre-back. It might improve in the future since he's a young player with potential but his hold up play nowadays is almost non-existent.
 

Again, you are flat out lying. Why are you doing this? What are you gaining? Anyone who's watched Tammy's performances this season, without an agenda, can see he's improved on his overall hold up play. Since according to you I can't "critically watch the game" what ever that means, look at Tammy's ratings for both Burnley and Newcastle. 

Tammy Abraham [77] - 8/10

Abraham set up Hakim Ziyech's first goal with a neat lay-off on the edge of the box. His hold-up play was superb on the whole and acted as a target man against a physical Burnley defensive line

Tammy Abraham - 8/10

Netted Chelsea's equaliser with a cool finish into the bottom corner. Another all-round brilliant performance from the Blues forward. 

https://www.si.com/soccer/chelsea/

16 hours ago, Azul said:

What are you basing that Giroud will get "plenty of game time" on? He barely got any minutes this season. Everything you're saying is subjective mate.
 

It's not subjective when you take into account we play every 3 days starting this weekend, until March..... Did that put some perspective or is that still 'subjective thinking'? 

Here's another one. Imagine we sold Giroud last January when he wanted to leave. There's no way we would've finished Top 4. He will be needed. It's an inevitability. 

16 hours ago, Azul said:

I knew you'd say that I was bothered by the fact that Giroud isn't starting, even though I made sure to say that I got no problem with Tammy starting since he's playing good. That was very predictable, hence why I clarified that I'm happy with Tammy at the moment. All I'm saying is to respect Giroud's decision to leave if it comes down to that, because I understand where he's coming from for sure. 

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You literally posted your frustration and asked why Tammy got ahead of Giroud in the pecking order. Virtually no one but yourself made that argument. Yes you praised Tammy but then immediately undermined him by saying Giroud would of been shining had he been given that same time. It's clear as day you have an issue why Giroud isn't starting. 

16 hours ago, Azul said:

Put yourself in other people's shoes instead of saying stupid shit like "sorry Giroud you need to stay blablabla".

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Had you been in charge last January and sold Giroud out of "sympathy", we would of finished 6th last season

Your argument to Roman ; "Who cares we didn't finish Top 4 and who cares we jeopardized our season and the long term financial stability of the club. None of that matters because Giroud was sad. I sold him to be happy. That's the real victory here." 

How old are you? 

[Azul 1,615]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Sitting at home doing nothing. What a tediously condescending argument. 

If you want to argue the concept of morality, let's first discuss the notion of honoring a contract your employer pays you handsomely for.  

Again, you are flat out lying. Why are you doing this? What are you gaining? Anyone who's watched Tammy's performances this season, without an agenda, can see he's improved on his overall hold up play. Since according to you I can't "critically watch the game" what ever that means, look at Tammy's ratings for both Burnley and Newcastle. 

Tammy Abraham [77] - 8/10

Abraham set up Hakim Ziyech's first goal with a neat lay-off on the edge of the box. His hold-up play was superb on the whole and acted as a target man against a physical Burnley defensive line

Tammy Abraham - 8/10

Netted Chelsea's equaliser with a cool finish into the bottom corner. Another all-round brilliant performance from the Blues forward. 

https://www.si.com/soccer/chelsea/

It's not subjective when you take into account we play every 3 days starting this weekend, until March..... Did that put some perspective or is that still 'subjective thinking'? 

Here's another one. Imagine we sold Giroud last January when he wanted to leave. There's no way we would've finished Top 4. He will be needed. It's an inevitability. 

You literally posted your frustration and asked why Tammy got ahead of Giroud in the pecking order. Virtually no one but yourself made that argument. Yes you praised Tammy but then immediately undermined him by saying Giroud would of been shining had he been given that same time. It's clear as day you have an issue why Giroud isn't starting. 

Had you been in charge last January and sold Giroud out of "sympathy", we would of finished 6th last season

Your argument to Roman ; "Who cares we didn't finish Top 4 and who cares we jeopardized our season and the long term financial stability of the club. None of that matters because Giroud was sad. I sold him to be happy. That's the real victory here." 

How old are you? 

This is my last response to your posts. First of all Giroud was honoring his contract, however he is footballer who has specific goals in his career. Again he want's to play in the Euro's so he's giving everything to make sure that happens, he played good for Chelsea and made sure we got into the top four. He's an old player who has limited time left in his career.

After he made sure we got into the top four, when he was outperforming Tammy, he was mysteriously dropped this season. He barely saw any minutes and that jeopardized his chances of playing for France, to the point when even Deschamps said he needs minutes to be picked for France. There is so much he can do, you can't expect him to honor his contract when he's barely seeing any minutes EVEN THOUGH he was playing very good for us.

Second of all, I truly believe that you don't know the difference between hold up play and link up play. Tammy showcased very good link-up play but not any hold up play. You gave me examples of his link-up play.

Furthermore, let me repeat myself, because my arguments seem to getting over your head time and time again. My frustation isn't with Giroud not starting, but with the disrespect he's getting particularly from fans like you. If he want's to leave understand where is coming from instead of wanting him to stay forcefully. What good comes out of having an unhappy player on the bench? I'm sure we can buy a backup replacement, that has similar attributes and skills, and who knows his role as a thirdchoice striker.

Moreover, you're making a false comparison. I would have never wanted to sell Giroud last season because circumstances were different then. We were battling for top four and out squad depth was very thin, we also did not want to spend in the transfer window which meant we could not get a replacement. So you're making comparisons that don't make sense to be fair.

Then you finished it off with "how old are you"? Come on bro, is that literally all you got? I mean seriously?

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I think Abraham should be sent on loan / sold and Giroud stay remainder of the year. Don't see the hype around Abraham at all

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6 minutes ago, Azul said:

This is my last response to your posts. First of all Giroud was honoring his contract, however he is footballer who has specific goals in his career. Again he want's to play in the Euro's so he's giving everything to make sure that happens, he played good for Chelsea and made sure we got into the top four. He's an old player who has limited time left in his career.

After he made sure we got into the top four, when he was outperforming Tammy, he was mysteriously dropped this season. He barely saw any minutes and that jeopardized his chances of playing for France, to the point when even Deschamps said he needs minutes to be picked for France. There is so much he can do, you can't expect him to honor his contract when he's barely seeing any minutes EVEN THOUGH he was playing very good for us.

 

He wasn't mysteriously dropped! 

Again, Tammy tends to start off the season very well and his mobility make him more appropriate in Lampard's system. This isn't some devil's work at play here as you make it out to be. It's also quite amusing how Deschamps continues to say to the public Giroud needs more minutes, yet he continues to not only select him for the national team, but starts him again and again. He will be France's ST come the summer. Willing to put my house on it. 

12 minutes ago, Azul said:

Second of all, I truly believe that you don't know the difference between hold up play and link up play. Tammy showcased very good link-up play but not any hold up play. You gave me examples of his link-up play.

So we have to add the inability to read along with your inability to analyse performances neutrally? 

Tammy Abraham [77] - 8/10

Abraham set up Hakim Ziyech's first goal with a neat lay-off on the edge of the box. His hold-up play was superb on the whole and acted as a target man against a physical Burnley defensive line

https://www.si.com/soccer/chelsea/

15 minutes ago, Azul said:

Furthermore, let me repeat myself, because arguments seem to getting over your head time and time again. My frustation isn't with Giroud not starting, but with the disrespect he's getting particularly from fans like you. If he want's to leave understand where is coming from instead of wanting him to stay forcefully. What good comes out of having an unhappy player on the bench? I'm sure we can buy a backup replacement, that has similar attributes and skills, and who knows his role as a thirdchoice striker.

Moreover, you're making a false comparison. I would have never wanted to sell Giroud last season because circumstances were different then. We were battling for top four and out squad depth was very thin, we also did not want to spend in the transfer window which meant we could not get a replacement. So you're making comparisons that don't make sense to be fair.

Then you finished it off with "how old are you"? Come on bro, is that literally all you got? I mean seriously?

The issue here is that I believe Giroud will get minutes whereas you don't think he will. My mind escapes past agendas and subjective view points that only relate to matters of what's going on right now. That's what you've beautifully displayed this entire conversation. I look at the grand scheme of things. Starting Saturday, we have a game every 3 days until March. Nearly 5 months. Adding to the fact this is such a congested schedule, injuries are likely to occur. Not only injuries, but contracting Covid. Tammy is also notoriously known for slowing down towards the latter stages. 

There are a wide variety of factors as to why Giroud will undoubtedly be needed. 

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Olivier Giroud's agent blasts Frank Lampard for 'unfair' treatment of Chelsea striker

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-giroud-lampard-abraham-update-23038522

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