🇫🇷 Olivier Giroud

[Azul 1,615]

It's pretty simple.

One is 23 one is 34. One plays similarly to the way we want to play the other offers a completely different option.

 

Whilst I'm sure everyone knows right this second giroud is arguably the better striker if you analyse them individually as a team tammy is done well and if its close you're gonna lean towards the kid who could be a part of the team for many years to come over the 34 year old he may go soon.

 

Giroud offers something completely different which will have its uses at times for sure.

 

 

Completely agree but these are people's lives we are talking about here, if Giroud was to leave in January his decision should be respected in my opinion. Sometimes fans tend to forget footballers are humans as well.

 

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[Hutcho 8,443]

Completely agree but these are people's lives we are talking about here, if Giroud was to leave in January his decision should be respected in my opinion. Sometimes fans tend to forget footballers are humans as well. 
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Oh I fully agree with that. Unless he's needed he should be allowed to leave if he doesn't wanna be here. I'd rather have 1 less player than have a player that doesn't want to be here.

Now if January comes round and puli and timo are both injured then that changes things and I imagine giroud would want to stay.

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[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

16 hours ago, Azul said:

It's very easy to talk when you're sitting at home and doing nothing. When you put yourself in Giroud's shoes you'll understand why he would want to leave the club. He wants to represent his country for one last time in the Euro's and if Lampard is jeopardizing that, then I fully understand his decision to leave if it comes down to that. If you have morals then you know some things are bigger than your love for Chelsea.

If he wants to stay then I'll be happy ofcourse. We could use a different option on the bench, but don't try to justify his place on the bench when it's unfair.
 

Sitting at home doing nothing. What a tediously condescending argument. 

If you want to argue the concept of morality, let's first discuss the notion of honoring a contract your employer pays you handsomely for.  

16 hours ago, Azul said:

So you're seriously telling me Tammy's hold up play is good all of sudden? Hahah mate, put some glasses on and critically watch the game instead of being biased. He literally get's bullied against every centre-back. It might improve in the future since he's a young player with potential but his hold up play nowadays is almost non-existent.
 

Again, you are flat out lying. Why are you doing this? What are you gaining? Anyone who's watched Tammy's performances this season, without an agenda, can see he's improved on his overall hold up play. Since according to you I can't "critically watch the game" what ever that means, look at Tammy's ratings for both Burnley and Newcastle. 

Tammy Abraham [77] - 8/10

Abraham set up Hakim Ziyech's first goal with a neat lay-off on the edge of the box. His hold-up play was superb on the whole and acted as a target man against a physical Burnley defensive line

Tammy Abraham - 8/10

Netted Chelsea's equaliser with a cool finish into the bottom corner. Another all-round brilliant performance from the Blues forward. 

https://www.si.com/soccer/chelsea/

16 hours ago, Azul said:

What are you basing that Giroud will get "plenty of game time" on? He barely got any minutes this season. Everything you're saying is subjective mate.
 

It's not subjective when you take into account we play every 3 days starting this weekend, until March..... Did that put some perspective or is that still 'subjective thinking'? 

Here's another one. Imagine we sold Giroud last January when he wanted to leave. There's no way we would've finished Top 4. He will be needed. It's an inevitability. 

16 hours ago, Azul said:

I knew you'd say that I was bothered by the fact that Giroud isn't starting, even though I made sure to say that I got no problem with Tammy starting since he's playing good. That was very predictable, hence why I clarified that I'm happy with Tammy at the moment. All I'm saying is to respect Giroud's decision to leave if it comes down to that, because I understand where he's coming from for sure. 

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You literally posted your frustration and asked why Tammy got ahead of Giroud in the pecking order. Virtually no one but yourself made that argument. Yes you praised Tammy but then immediately undermined him by saying Giroud would of been shining had he been given that same time. It's clear as day you have an issue why Giroud isn't starting. 

16 hours ago, Azul said:

Put yourself in other people's shoes instead of saying stupid shit like "sorry Giroud you need to stay blablabla".

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Had you been in charge last January and sold Giroud out of "sympathy", we would of finished 6th last season

Your argument to Roman ; "Who cares we didn't finish Top 4 and who cares we jeopardized our season and the long term financial stability of the club. None of that matters because Giroud was sad. I sold him to be happy. That's the real victory here." 

How old are you? 

[Azul 1,615]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Sitting at home doing nothing. What a tediously condescending argument. 

If you want to argue the concept of morality, let's first discuss the notion of honoring a contract your employer pays you handsomely for.  

Again, you are flat out lying. Why are you doing this? What are you gaining? Anyone who's watched Tammy's performances this season, without an agenda, can see he's improved on his overall hold up play. Since according to you I can't "critically watch the game" what ever that means, look at Tammy's ratings for both Burnley and Newcastle. 

Tammy Abraham [77] - 8/10

Abraham set up Hakim Ziyech's first goal with a neat lay-off on the edge of the box. His hold-up play was superb on the whole and acted as a target man against a physical Burnley defensive line

Tammy Abraham - 8/10

Netted Chelsea's equaliser with a cool finish into the bottom corner. Another all-round brilliant performance from the Blues forward. 

https://www.si.com/soccer/chelsea/

It's not subjective when you take into account we play every 3 days starting this weekend, until March..... Did that put some perspective or is that still 'subjective thinking'? 

Here's another one. Imagine we sold Giroud last January when he wanted to leave. There's no way we would've finished Top 4. He will be needed. It's an inevitability. 

You literally posted your frustration and asked why Tammy got ahead of Giroud in the pecking order. Virtually no one but yourself made that argument. Yes you praised Tammy but then immediately undermined him by saying Giroud would of been shining had he been given that same time. It's clear as day you have an issue why Giroud isn't starting. 

Had you been in charge last January and sold Giroud out of "sympathy", we would of finished 6th last season

Your argument to Roman ; "Who cares we didn't finish Top 4 and who cares we jeopardized our season and the long term financial stability of the club. None of that matters because Giroud was sad. I sold him to be happy. That's the real victory here." 

How old are you? 

This is my last response to your posts. First of all Giroud was honoring his contract, however he is footballer who has specific goals in his career. Again he want's to play in the Euro's so he's giving everything to make sure that happens, he played good for Chelsea and made sure we got into the top four. He's an old player who has limited time left in his career.

After he made sure we got into the top four, when he was outperforming Tammy, he was mysteriously dropped this season. He barely saw any minutes and that jeopardized his chances of playing for France, to the point when even Deschamps said he needs minutes to be picked for France. There is so much he can do, you can't expect him to honor his contract when he's barely seeing any minutes EVEN THOUGH he was playing very good for us.

Second of all, I truly believe that you don't know the difference between hold up play and link up play. Tammy showcased very good link-up play but not any hold up play. You gave me examples of his link-up play.

Furthermore, let me repeat myself, because my arguments seem to getting over your head time and time again. My frustation isn't with Giroud not starting, but with the disrespect he's getting particularly from fans like you. If he want's to leave understand where is coming from instead of wanting him to stay forcefully. What good comes out of having an unhappy player on the bench? I'm sure we can buy a backup replacement, that has similar attributes and skills, and who knows his role as a thirdchoice striker.

Moreover, you're making a false comparison. I would have never wanted to sell Giroud last season because circumstances were different then. We were battling for top four and out squad depth was very thin, we also did not want to spend in the transfer window which meant we could not get a replacement. So you're making comparisons that don't make sense to be fair.

Then you finished it off with "how old are you"? Come on bro, is that literally all you got? I mean seriously?

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I think Abraham should be sent on loan / sold and Giroud stay remainder of the year. Don't see the hype around Abraham at all

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

6 minutes ago, Azul said:

This is my last response to your posts. First of all Giroud was honoring his contract, however he is footballer who has specific goals in his career. Again he want's to play in the Euro's so he's giving everything to make sure that happens, he played good for Chelsea and made sure we got into the top four. He's an old player who has limited time left in his career.

After he made sure we got into the top four, when he was outperforming Tammy, he was mysteriously dropped this season. He barely saw any minutes and that jeopardized his chances of playing for France, to the point when even Deschamps said he needs minutes to be picked for France. There is so much he can do, you can't expect him to honor his contract when he's barely seeing any minutes EVEN THOUGH he was playing very good for us.

 

He wasn't mysteriously dropped! 

Again, Tammy tends to start off the season very well and his mobility make him more appropriate in Lampard's system. This isn't some devil's work at play here as you make it out to be. It's also quite amusing how Deschamps continues to say to the public Giroud needs more minutes, yet he continues to not only select him for the national team, but starts him again and again. He will be France's ST come the summer. Willing to put my house on it. 

12 minutes ago, Azul said:

Second of all, I truly believe that you don't know the difference between hold up play and link up play. Tammy showcased very good link-up play but not any hold up play. You gave me examples of his link-up play.

So we have to add the inability to read along with your inability to analyse performances neutrally? 

Tammy Abraham [77] - 8/10

Abraham set up Hakim Ziyech's first goal with a neat lay-off on the edge of the box. His hold-up play was superb on the whole and acted as a target man against a physical Burnley defensive line

https://www.si.com/soccer/chelsea/

15 minutes ago, Azul said:

Furthermore, let me repeat myself, because arguments seem to getting over your head time and time again. My frustation isn't with Giroud not starting, but with the disrespect he's getting particularly from fans like you. If he want's to leave understand where is coming from instead of wanting him to stay forcefully. What good comes out of having an unhappy player on the bench? I'm sure we can buy a backup replacement, that has similar attributes and skills, and who knows his role as a thirdchoice striker.

Moreover, you're making a false comparison. I would have never wanted to sell Giroud last season because circumstances were different then. We were battling for top four and out squad depth was very thin, we also did not want to spend in the transfer window which meant we could not get a replacement. So you're making comparisons that don't make sense to be fair.

Then you finished it off with "how old are you"? Come on bro, is that literally all you got? I mean seriously?

The issue here is that I believe Giroud will get minutes whereas you don't think he will. My mind escapes past agendas and subjective view points that only relate to matters of what's going on right now. That's what you've beautifully displayed this entire conversation. I look at the grand scheme of things. Starting Saturday, we have a game every 3 days until March. Nearly 5 months. Adding to the fact this is such a congested schedule, injuries are likely to occur. Not only injuries, but contracting Covid. Tammy is also notoriously known for slowing down towards the latter stages. 

There are a wide variety of factors as to why Giroud will undoubtedly be needed. 

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[Vesper 30,184]

Olivier Giroud's agent blasts Frank Lampard for 'unfair' treatment of Chelsea striker

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-giroud-lampard-abraham-update-23038522

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[Tomo 21,751]

13 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

It "wasn't fair" that we dropped Cudicini for Cech.

It "wasn't fair" that we released Hasselbaink to make room for Drogba.

It "wasn't fair" that Tiago was made redundant to make room for Essien.

It "wasn't fair" that Bridge went down the pecking order so we could sign Ash.

Making tough decisions even when they're a little harsh is what separates the serial winners from the cup teams.

[killer1257 3,282]

This is the reason why you never have 3 good established strikers at a club. One of them will always moan

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[milka 3,393]

Giroud is  a cult hero at Chelsea.

 

- Golden boot in Chelsea’s Europa League win

- Memorable FA Cup goals

- Huge goals in Chelsea’s UCL qualification

 

Always a model professional who never complained when treated unfairly.

True professionalism

 

I love him he deserve more 

 

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, Tomo said:

It "wasn't fair" that we dropped Cudicini for Cech.

It "wasn't fair" that we released Hasselbaink to make room for Drogba.

It "wasn't fair" that Tiago was made redundant to make room for Essien.

It "wasn't fair" that Bridge went down the pecking order so we could sign Ash.

Making tough decisions even when they're a little harsh is what separates the serial winners from the cup teams.

There was also the element that Lampard prioritized results more than anything else when last season restarted in June. That's where Giroud benefited from the consistent selection because of his experience and partly also because he delivered the goods. But that was never going to be case this season once Lampard was able to get his players in and start to build for the future. Giroud was never going to be part of our long term plan, he was never going to be in the starting XI week in week out again. It's harsh on Giroud but unfortunately, that's the reality. 

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

There was also the element that Lampard prioritized results more than anything else when last season restarted in June. That's where Giroud benefited from the consistent selection because of his experience and partly also because he delivered the goods. But that was never going to be case this season once Lampard was able to get his players in and start to build for the future. Giroud was never going to be part of our long term plan, he was never going to be in the starting XI week in week out again. It's harsh on Giroud but unfortunately, that's the reality. 

Also Oli's known for being very streaky (Arsenal bombed out of two title races when he was number 1 there because of such) so even if we rewarded him with starting this season as number 1 his track record suggests he'd have lost his place fairly quickly. 

On another note always makes me laugh that whenever we get a good squad player for some reason a section of the fanbase get giddy and think they should become starters, Remy and Begovic other examples. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

35 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Also Oli's known for being very streaky (Arsenal bombed out of two title races when he was number 1 there because of such) so even if we rewarded him with starting this season as number 1 his track record suggests he'd have lost his place fairly quickly. 

On another note always makes me laugh that whenever we get a good squad player for some reason a section of the fanbase get giddy and think they should become starters, Remy and Begovic other examples. 

It's why I believe Giroud is very much a cup player. 

Both he and Tammy are streaky players but if we can learn from last season we can manage both fairly well. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

On 19/11/2020 at 7:35 PM, NikkiCFC said:

 

Unfortunately, lifes a bitch. It isn't fair. Good job its only his agent coming out with this. He might get a run, we still have the huge potential for injuries with this crammed schedule and lack of time between the season finishing and starting again so he has to keep plodding along and keep himself ready if hes needed. Like last season. 

[King Kante 1,643]

On 20/11/2020 at 1:58 PM, Tomo said:

Also Oli's known for being very streaky (Arsenal bombed out of two title races when he was number 1 there because of such) so even if we rewarded him with starting this season as number 1 his track record suggests he'd have lost his place fairly quickly. 

On another note always makes me laugh that whenever we get a good squad player for some reason a section of the fanbase get giddy and think they should become starters, Remy and Begovic other examples. 

To be fair, having a Giroud as essentially CF3 is great, as it gives us real depth. Tbh, if he wasn't France's No.9, I do not think he would moan much and we would be glad that we had such options. 

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The Athletic on Giroud...

https://theathletic.com/2213873/2020/11/23/giroud-balogun-forss-williams/?source=emp_shared_article

Chelsea will consider granting Olivier Giroud’s wish to leave in January as a thank you for the striker’s service to the club since he joined in January 2018.

Giroud has decided he will have to leave Stamford Bridge in the new year unless he plays significantly more over the next few months, as The Athletic first revealed last week. Increased minutes are unlikely because coach Frank Lampard prefers Timo Werner and Tammy Abraham.

The 34-year-old has been told by France coach Didier Deschamps that he needs to have regular first-team football if he wants a starting role at the European Championship next summer.

Giroud made his seventh appearance of the season in Chelsea’s 2-0 victory at Newcastle on Saturday, but only as a late substitute. It means he has spent just 157 minutes on the pitch for Chelsea during this campaign.

Sources have told The Athletic that Chelsea are sympathetic to Giroud’s situation and there is a very good chance his wish to leave will be granted, reports Simon Johnson.

A final decision won’t be taken at this stage because the club will understandably want to wait and see if there are injury issues to their forward players, particularly first choice centre-forwards Werner and Abraham.

But it is understood that should Chelsea have a fit squad in January and the team is still winning consistently like they are at the moment, then a transfer will be discussed with any interested clubs. It is believed his departure won’t necessarily depend on the west London club bringing in a replacement either.

Giroud is highly thought of within Stamford Bridge. He has scored 29 goals in 95 appearances (47 of which were as a substitute) since arriving from Arsenal nearly three years ago. He has helped Chelsea win the FA Cup (2018), Europa League (2019) and was one of their best performers during the run-in last season when they secured a top-four finish.

In the past Chelsea have rewarded players who have requested a move in similar circumstances as a way of showing respect for what they’ve done for the club. For example, Cesc Fabregas was granted a switch to Monaco in January 2019, while Branislav Ivanovic left for Zenit St Petersburg two years earlier.

Giroud’s agent Michael Manuello told Telefoot that a move to another Premier League club is a possibility, but that a transfer abroad appeals most. The striker came close to joining Inter Milan 10 months ago and the Serie A side remain keen.

Manuello said: “Olivier is looking for a place where he can enjoy playing, have a good quality of life and feel strong emotions. So if he can ever discover something new again, he will look for something new. It would be ideal for him to discover another culture.

“A new English club with big goals could also make him think because the Premier League remains an extraordinary league, which offers a different sort of pleasure. So, if a great Premier League club came along, yes, he might think about it but he is ready to go and live abroad.”