🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Mason Mount

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Tbh I'd even be hesitant to offer him 250k, to me 250k is pushing it.

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12 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

You do realize that one of the best talent scouts in world football (Piet de vissier) who was a consultant for Roman for many years basically said "don't sell KDB" as this kid will one day go to the very top...and that was after watching him for half a season at the Belgian club he was playing for...

It just wasn't meant to be as KDB had ambitions to be a first team player and he asked Mourinho about his prospects and Mourinho said he preferred to develop Oscar as he was more well rounded to the tactical system at the time. 

As for your example on Pato, it was just injuries and getting too much acclaim at the young age which destroyed his career.  People forget that a very young Pato went to Camp Nou with AC Milan in those days and he was destroying one of the better Barcelona teams of that era, then came the pressure, then came all the injuries. 

I'm not saying that Mount is a bad player, I just think he's not worth the reported figures of 300k a week as he doesn't have a skill that stands out on a consistent basis.  With Lampard, you knew you were getting goals, with Hazard, you knew he would embarrass the opposition fullback, with Fabregas you knew he had that killer pass in him.  When I think of Mount, nothing really comes to mind...but I guess you could say pressing? 

 

Fair enough, but that was meant as a general comment esp when you go into younger (than 20) and youth systems. It gets progressively more difficult to assess "talent."

I was one of the few people here who thought Salah was a top player -- wrote here too, but in the end it's all opinions and guesswork.

Regarding Pato, precisely, it show how much physique affects "talent" (skill, technique) esp in the footballing elite. Some of the players who we deem not good enough at Chelsea would absolute dominate a tier lower. It's that split second decision and time on the ball that you don't get at this level.

And that's why I think Mount can indeed improve: a slight improvement in that split-second decision making could make him a much more influential player. I do see plenty of skill in his game too: good first touch, passing, very quick feet. He has good technique striking the football, and for that reason I think he can do better than he does atm.

Salary discussion is more about the market than a perceived quality. Wages in football are crazy these days... City one of the worst offenders, so it's hard to criticize players/agents and clubs with so much investment in the sport.

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On 27/11/2022 at 16:02, OhForAGreavsie said:

I agree, of course, that players can learn how to make better use of the talent they have but the range of improvement is always linked to, and limited by, the basic level of ability. Modric always had the talent. He, and his coaches, learned how best to deploy it. It's a frequent experience that as children the high-level footballers play in forward positions simply because they are way more talented that the kids around them. As they rise up the ranks however some of them move lower and find their true home on a football pitch. 

For me, I think Mount is best suited as a midfielder in a 3, in a number 8 style role.

I think, like you mentioned on a previous post, too many things that Mount tries don't quite come off and there are definitely situations where this hinders our attack. Having him as part of an attacking three doesn't benefit him or Chelsea. But he's also had the misfortune of playing in a team set up that doesn't really have his best role available for him.

A lot will depend on Potter and what his longer-term plans are for the team and whether he looks to move away from the back 3 and instead use a back 4 regularly. This might unlock Mount and answer a lot of questions with him. I wouldn't actually be too surprised if part of his contract talks centred around his role long term in the team.

I'm not comparing Mount and Modric, but Modric played predominantly on the wing when he was younger and initially for Spurs. We only really saw just how good he truly was, like you said, when he was deployed correctly for his abilities and skillset. I believe Mount is more of a 'connector' than a 'creator', and needs to play that bit deeper.

Can he kick on alongside the club if we can start challenging again over the next couple of years? I guess that's something we'll see if, hopefully, we do start progressing well but I would definitely like to see him operating in a different role in the team first before making that judgement.

 

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7 hours ago, Superblue said:

For me, I think Mount is best suited as a midfielder in a 3, in a number 8 style role.

I think, like you mentioned on a previous post, too many things that Mount tries don't quite come off and there are definitely situations where this hinders our attack. Having him as part of an attacking three doesn't benefit him or Chelsea. But he's also had the misfortune of playing in a team set up that doesn't really have his best role available for him.

A lot will depend on Potter and what his longer-term plans are for the team and whether he looks to move away from the back 3 and instead use a back 4 regularly. This might unlock Mount and answer a lot of questions with him. I wouldn't actually be too surprised if part of his contract talks centred around his role long term in the team.

I'm not comparing Mount and Modric, but Modric played predominantly on the wing when he was younger and initially for Spurs. We only really saw just how good he truly was, like you said, when he was deployed correctly for his abilities and skillset. I believe Mount is more of a 'connector' than a 'creator', and needs to play that bit deeper.

Can he kick on alongside the club if we can start challenging again over the next couple of years? I guess that's something we'll see if, hopefully, we do start progressing well but I would definitely like to see him operating in a different role in the team first before making that judgement.

 

I think the bigger problem is that no-one knows what Mount's best role is, and that's a significant concern for the club, going into contract extension talks with one of their best academy products (Reece being the other). 

We say he's better in a midfield 3 but that's the same as saying Havertz/Pulisic/Ziyech are best utilized in a free role behind the striker.   Feel like we have too many players who want to play a specific role in the team. 

Azpi had to play at LB when he started out at Chelsea, Ivanovic was playing RB, Essien had multiple games at RB/LB. 

Until we get our midfield situation sorted (both Kante & Jorginho are available on a free at the end of the season as things stand), I don't see Potter making any drastic tactical changes for the 2nd half of the season.  

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1 hour ago, Reddish-Blue said:

I think the bigger problem is that no-one knows what Mount's best role is, and that's a significant concern for the club, going into contract extension talks with one of their best academy products (Reece being the other). 

We say he's better in a midfield 3 but that's the same as saying Havertz/Pulisic/Ziyech are best utilized in a free role behind the striker.   Feel like we have too many players who want to play a specific role in the team. 

Azpi had to play at LB when he started out at Chelsea, Ivanovic was playing RB, Essien had multiple games at RB/LB. 

Until we get our midfield situation sorted (both Kante & Jorginho are available on a free at the end of the season as things stand), I don't see Potter making any drastic tactical changes for the 2nd half of the season.  

Completely understand that. It's the result of transfer activity over a number of seasons with no clear strategy to build out the squad.

Mount is still serviceable in the role he currently plays, hence why he's usually preferred to the likes of Pulisic and Ziyech in there. But I would like to see him playing in a deeper role in midfield at some stage for an extended period to see what we might have with him and if it's something that could work moving forward.

Regarding Potter in the 2nd half of the season, I disagree. If we don't get out of the traps early from the restart, I think we'll leave too much to do to make top 4 this season. For me this needs to be the time where he is looking at making drastic changes whether it's tactical or personnel and start deciding and building towards what he wants to do in the long term with this squad. We can't keep churning wheels for the second half of the season just to get through it, because recently it's been awful.

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22 hours ago, Superblue said:

Completely understand that. It's the result of transfer activity over a number of seasons with no clear strategy to build out the squad.

Mount is still serviceable in the role he currently plays, hence why he's usually preferred to the likes of Pulisic and Ziyech in there. But I would like to see him playing in a deeper role in midfield at some stage for an extended period to see what we might have with him and if it's something that could work moving forward.

Regarding Potter in the 2nd half of the season, I disagree. If we don't get out of the traps early from the restart, I think we'll leave too much to do to make top 4 this season. For me this needs to be the time where he is looking at making drastic changes whether it's tactical or personnel and start deciding and building towards what he wants to do in the long term with this squad. We can't keep churning wheels for the second half of the season just to get through it, because recently it's been awful.

Alot of that will depend upon the fitness of players returning from injuries (James, Fofana, Kante) and what happens with our squad players who aren't really clicking with the team but look very good for their national sides (Pulisic, Ziyech). 

I get the building towards the long term but that won't happen till next season, feels like we're almost at that point where we should just rip the band aid off from our midfield and just head into next season with a clean slate (probably means that Kante may end up walking for free). Potter wasn't helped by the fact that our best player went down with injury just before our run of fixtures heading into the world cup break.  

Definitely some interesting months ahead.  Wonder if Mount does get moved to the midfield with a new contract. 

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Revealed: Mason Mount’s HORRIFIC form in last three months

https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/01/mason-mounts-Chelsea-stats-form-contract

Mason Mount’s contract at Chelsea expires at the end of next season and talks over a renewal have been put on hold until after the January transfer window.

The feeling is that Mount wants to stay at Chelsea and that Chelsea want him to stay.

However, there are two major problems right now when it comes to an extension - both of them connected.

The first is that Mount is asking for a lot of money - there are even reports that he is requesting €300,000 per week.

Secondly, Mount’s form in recent months has been nothing short of disastrous.

What has happened to Mason Mount?

In the last three months for club and country - since October 19 - Mount has scored just one goal and delivered zero assists in 17 matches, 13 of these starts.

His only goal contribution was a 90th minute strike on December 27 to clinch a 2-0 Chelsea win over Bournemouth.

He has been one of Chelsea’s worst performers under new manager Graham Potter, which has led to the Blues plummeting to 10th place in the Premier League, 10 points off the top four and out of both domestic cups.

Mount has been in terrible form in recent months

For the second major international tournament in a row, Mount was also dismal for England. He made no attacking contributions in his four games in Qatar, so much so that he was dropped from the starting XI after the second group game versus the United States.

Having previously been the darling of the Chelsea fans, Mount has now become hugely unpopular with large sections of the fanbase.

Some of it is unfair. He was previously two-time Chelsea Player of the Year and it is clear that virtually every Chelsea player is underperforming this campaign amidst all the chaos off the pitch and in the transfer market.

But it is also true that an attacking midfielder with one goal contribution from 17 games cannot walk into contract negotiations and expect a huge contract.

This is the big problem Chelsea and Mount have right now. And the only solution to the problem is for the Englishman to start performing again.

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yup, keep performing like this and the new contract will be well earned......

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

I think he knows he won't get the contract he wants. 

 

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2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I think he knows he won't get the contract he wants. 

 

Would he even want to stay if not starter? By Lamps words he is very upset when not playing. And with new players coming in there is absolutely no place for him. Kante, Kovacic, Felix, Sterling, Pulisic all out today. Mudryk not ready to start. And Nkunku is coming next season, let's see with Caicedo. Only this is a reason why he is still playing. 

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4 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Would he even want to stay if not starter? By Lamps words he is very upset when not playing. And with new players coming in there is absolutely no place for him. Kante, Kovacic, Felix, Sterling, Pulisic all out today. Mudryk not ready to start. And Nkunku is coming next season, let's see with Caicedo. Only this is a reason why he is still playing. 

Guess we will see how much he loves Chelsea. 

Damien Duff role suits him imo. 

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21 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I think he knows he won't get the contract he wants. 

 

Will he get it anywhere else though, given his recent performance? Doubt Arsenal, Bayern or PSG would be likely to pay him top money because he used to be good two seasons ago.

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With all the new boys maybe Mount wont even make the bench in a couple of games time. Still think he can be a real player in the future but he is way off of it at the moment and needs a rest and a reset imo. Thrive and beat the competition to prove yourself or move on, in the typical way that always happened at successful Chelsea sides.

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4 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Guess we will see how much he loves Chelsea. 

Damien Duff role suits him imo. 

This isn't about loving Chelsea, this is him allowing hype get to his head and not really evolving as a player from season to season. 

He always talked about the "8" being his preferred role but he's been played there recently and looked absolutely bang average.  He needs to take that next step if he wants the type of contract Reece got.  

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What is his best position? 

Love the idea of Mount being in the team but we need to face reality... if we want to move forward and catch City then we must make the hard decisions. He just isn't good enough... maybe if the other 10 players are World Class, he may stand a chance but until then... no chance.

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https://metro.co.uk/2023/02/05/mason-mount-unsure-of-his-status-at-Chelsea-following-enzo-fernandez-and-mykhailo-mudryk-signings-18224346/?ito=newsnow-feed

sell him and donkey boy (Havertz) in summer, neither are fit to wear the shirt, buy Toney and holding midfielder

[Blue Armour 4,439]

While the club shouldn't cave into Mount's demands, I hope the club doesn't make any snap judgements with regards to his future.

In this season when nearly every attacking player is underperforming, I refuse to single out Mount or even Havertz as the root cause.

If it's a question of offloading players to clear up the wage bill, there are plenty of wingers to choose from. 

Now apparently there is talk of Gallagher being offered a renewal. Doesn't look good for Mount., because mediocre Gallagher is his real competition at the moment.

Gallagher is hopeless on the ball, but because he shows 'heart' and is content being a squad player, he will get preference. 

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That thing is fkin bullshit.. 

What to say then ppl like Ronaldo, Messi, Thiago Silva and etc.. 

Just exscuses for beeing poor