Álvaro Morata

[Tomo 21,733]

2 minutes ago, Mana said:

That Liverpool game was at the end of the season when we aren't guaranteed top 4 and had CL in our minds. Still disgraceful, but forgiven because we won the FA Cup final over the scousers the week before and I'll take the FA cup win over a useless league win anyday.

The Sunderland game doesn't count as it wasn't part of the 2011/12 season.

Villa game was horrific, sure. But it's not as horrific or a joke as Watford's 4-1 this season.

The 17/18 team is not just flawed, it's seriously flawed. We are toothless in attack. Moses and Alonso so poor. Midfield can easily be overrun.

I didn't say the 2012 team were fantastic. But they gave us the CL. We beat Barcelona, Bayern, Spuds 5-1, Liverpool in the final, 6-1 QPR. We won games that mattered. This 17/18 squad? Did they win ANY game that mattered so far? 

Also I'm not rewriting history. I'm not talking about Carlo's season either. I'm comparing the 2011/12 squad to the 2017/18 squad. And I seriously think we will do better with the 2011/12 squad, even though we were awful until AVB's sacking.

I would say being outplayed by an Alex McLeish team on our own patch is a lot worse, that man doesn't know the meaning of the word attack yet cut us open at will. As embarrassing as the Watford game was, they have a good squad and capable players and manager, that Villa side didn't. The flaws you mention in this squad also existed in 2012, and unlike now, we didn't have a core of world class players to compensate. The reality is the situation we found ourselves in during 2012 in CL, we try that another 100 times and we don't as much as get past Napoli on 99 occasions.

Our current situation is not great, but a solid transfer window (big if i know) and we have a side capable of challenging next season. 2012 even with the CL win and arguably our best window ever following suit, we still needed a good few years to get back on our feet again. Imagine if we kept our best players this summer and found similar quality to 2012 versions of Hazard and Azpi, id go as far as saying we would be 2nd favorites right behind City.

[Spike 12,049]

6 hours ago, Mana said:

We have been spoilt with the CF successes of Drogba and Costa. Morata was supposed to be as good (or at least almost) as these guys. But he's not. He is weak and can be easily bullied by big central defenders.

It doesn't help that we are also in 5th place, losing silly games. At least with Torres we weren't as bad as this.

I think you forgot just how bad it was with Torres...

[Tomo 21,733]

3 minutes ago, Mana said:

That was Javi Gracia's first home game in charge of Watford and he humiliated us. But fine, even if Villa's win against us was worse, this Watford defeat isn't too far off. In fact, close because they both had a very similar story. 1-1, then in the dying minutes of the match the opposition scored a bucketload.

And there you have it. Both squads are flawed (I never said "the 2012 squad was not flawed") but 2012 had a lot of world-class players THEN to pull something out of the hat. We don't this time. I can never ever, expect Morata to pull something out of the hat like Drogba did for example. 

And you brought up Napoli. Let's be honest. If this 17/18 squad met that same Napoli then, would you think we would beat them too? We don't have the players to make something happen like the 11/12 team did expect Hazard, but he can't do everything himself.

Well the core of this bunch held their nerve twice in title races, that alone suggests a hell of a lot off mental ability.

Napoli would probably beat us more times than not, but i feel we would do it a lot more than the 2012 side would.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

14 minutes ago, Spike said:

I think you forgot just how bad it was with Torres...

Moratas been here’s 6 months or something and he’s just as bad as Torres... sums up Chelsea fans.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

11 minutes ago, Mana said:

But...so did the core of the 2011/12 team. Most of our success was from that core then this core with Hazard.

Yes from that core but the main successes came in like what a period between 2004 to 2010... we’ve won the league twice since then with these “weak minded players” and a worse team than the one from 2012 (we started trying to change the team and age in 2010/11 in Carlo’s second season by using youth players), fuck Mourinho and Conte must be miracle workers, surely? Or again your over exaggerating about the lack of quality of the squad. 

[Miki-Liki 405]

Longevity doesn't have anything to do with being a terrible player. Torres was dog shit when he arrived, he stayed dog shit for three and a half years at Chelsea, and currently he's dog shit playing for Atletico. Morata was horse shit before joining Chelsea, he's been horse shit for half a year, and will stay a horse shit striker. Maybe a change of profession could do him good, perhaps as a hairdresser, or a job where he can lie down, since he enjoys rolling on the pitch more than standing on his own two feet.

[Thor 2,392]

This forum is becoming worse and worse. I hear enough fickle Chelsea fans in the real world, and you'd think the die hard fans who bother to post on a forum would be slightly more level headed and supporting of the players. 

He is a season in, and has dealt with injuries throughout this season. 10 goals in 22 appearances in the league. Not all starts either, and some garbage time minutes in a few of those 22. So he is scoring at a rate of 1 goal every two games. F*ck me if he can't get some support from the fans. He is scoring at a rate of a goal every other game, and that is after going through this horrendous stretch. Our whole team was playing poorly at one point, and him and Bakayoko, the two new fellas to the team are getting all the brunt? Some of you are a bunch of clowns. Clearly this season isn't going to be our season in the league, but the least we can do is let a player f*cking play and have a crack. We're great at getting rid of managers and players quickly, so why not continue I guess. Right?  

His attitude may be shit, what do we know? Clearly forum expert psychologists on here can tell he doesn't give a fuck by his demeanour on the field. Not like every striker is different. Or person for that matter. 

Sell the lot of them. It has clearly done wonders for our consistency and creating a period of dominance in the league. I mean look how well we do the season after we win titles. 

[communicate 2,703]

6 hours ago, Mana said:

That was Javi Gracia's first home game in charge of Watford and he humiliated us. But fine, even if Villa's win against us was worse, this Watford defeat isn't too far off. In fact, close because they both had a very similar story. 1-1, then in the dying minutes of the match the opposition scored a bucketload.

And there you have it. Both squads are flawed (I never said "the 2012 squad was not flawed") but 2012 had a lot of world-class players THEN to pull something out of the hat. We don't this time. I can never ever, expect Morata to pull something out of the hat like Drogba did for example. 

And you brought up Napoli. Let's be honest. If this 17/18 squad met that same Napoli then, would you think we would beat them too? We don't have the players to make something happen like the 11/12 team did expect Hazard, but he can't do everything himself.

Our 2012 team had no wc player. Drogba,lamp, and terry were at the end of their career. We were a horrible team. Our best player was mata. I remember we created 0 chances in final and scored from our only corner whereas Bayern created chances at will and Robben missed a penalty. It was almost feel like divine intervention. Even Ramires scored a chip against barca that shocked everyone.

 

[manpe 10,861]

8 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Moratas been here’s 6 months or something and he’s just as bad as Torres... sums up Chelsea fans.

Shocking innit. During that time Torres had managed a whopping 1 goal, Morata has scored 12 (a goal every 2 games). Torres could only dream about such numbers. It doesn't surprise me though, people tend to romanticize the past.

[Styles 9,790]

Morata is Torres 2012.

[Johnnyeye 7,441]

13 minutes ago, Styles said:

Morata is Torres 2012.

i hope it means we can knock out Barca at the Camp Nou again

one can dream...

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

2 hours ago, manpe said:

Shocking innit. During that time Torres had managed a whopping 1 goal, Morata has scored 12 (a goal every 2 games). Torres could only dream about such numbers. It doesn't surprise me though, people tend to romanticize the past.

Exactly Chelsea fans do seem to suffer from collective amnesia 

[manpe 10,861]

8 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Exactly Chelsea fans do seem to suffer from collective amnesia 

Yeah. More and more I see the likes of Kalou and Malouda being romanticized in the same breath with the mentally strong and technically proficient "old guard" that carried us to all sorts of titles. The type of banter we had at that time with the likes of Kalouda back in those days far outweighs whatever we say now about our shittiest players. Yet now, for some, they are worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence with the players who actually drove us and made a difference. The same is happening with Torres now, he has been gone long enough to start forgetting exactly how fucking bad he was.

[robsblubot 3,504]

4 hours ago, communicate said:

Our 2012 team had no wc player. Drogba,lamp, and terry were at the end of their career. We were a horrible team. Our best player was mata. I remember we created 0 chances in final and scored from our only corner whereas Bayern created chances at will and Robben missed a penalty. It was almost feel like divine intervention. Even Ramires scored a chip against barca that shocked everyone.

 

that team was completely out of its depth playing that final, but Drogba was still was class... how the hell did he power that in!?

Morata is a good player.  We need a great player, so we need him to improve, but he did well considering that our team and esp the system fizzled out this season... nope, don't think Diego staying would've made any difference. People don't want to hear it, but losing MAtic was the biggest downgrade from last season. Midfield is where all things happen and I've always thought that these 3-CB systems put an additional strain on the midfield.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,919]

Im gonna have to agree with Mana. We did have WC players that season. Didnt Mata have something like 12 goals and like 20 Assists that season? That was definitely world class.

 

Ramires, who I believe should have been player of the season, also was world class that season. Ignoring that magic against Barcelona he was absolutely fantastic in the FA cup and league literally walking  through midfields that included the likes of prime Yaya Toure and David Silva. That 2011/12 squad had magic in it.

[communicate 2,703]

 

50 minutes ago, Robguima said:

that team was completely out of its depth playing that final, but Drogba was still was class... how the hell did he power that in!?

Morata is a good player.  We need a great player, so we need him to improve, but he did well considering that our team and esp the system fizzled out this season... nope, don't think Diego staying would've made any difference. People don't want to hear it, but losing MAtic was the biggest downgrade from last season. Midfield is where all things happen and I've always thought that these 3-CB systems put an additional strain on the midfield.

I remember I was screaming so loud for that goal.

But watching the game it was a nightmare. we were bad, so bad. When we got to penalty, I knew we are going to win because it feels like it was written in the star

 

For me diego is more important, yes matic give us solidity but in Conte system striker is extremely important.

Diego Costa is a fantastic striker for us. We need a physical presence up top to support our two technical am.

I have major doubt on Morata simply because he is not a physical player (I was on Lukaku side), yes he is far more technical than Costa but we don't really need a technical player, we need a physical presence.

 

[Special Juan 27,428]

Morata is fucked mentally, his heads completely gone. I have written his season off and I really have no idea where he goes from this point.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

1 hour ago, manpe said:

with the likes of Kalouda back in those days f

I didn't know they were a couple like Brangelina