🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 John Terry

[Starman60 1,343]

No longer a football club, but a cut throat business. John has played his part in this though by speaking out now, but at 35 and at the end of the season there may be no takers. So he's now in the "shop window" for all to see until the season ends.

My own feeling is that he should not be allowed to leave, but should be offered a coaching role within the club, just like Giggs at United. The mans experience is invaluable and he is being allowed to go. Poor move if you ask me.......I sometimes fear we are losing our identity as a club. Fans revere the players and promote them to cult status, then the big-wigs just drum them out of the club........Sad..Very sad. Loyalty (especially like John has given us) should be rewarded, not discarded

[Sovieticus 743]

So they aren't sure if the new manager will want Terry, but they are sure that they'll want Ivanovic. What the actual fuck?

[BXL70 396]

Terry will turn 36 next year. It is time for Chelsea to renew its squad. Good decision.

[It's too big 625]

Well to be fair, Ivanovic is 31 years old, Terry is 35. Ivanovic has leader qualities and would be one of the more experienced players if Terry left.  

[Laylabelle 9,534]

3 minutes ago, It's too big said:

Well to be fair, Ivanovic is 31 years old, Terry is 35. Ivanovic has leader qualities and would be one of the more experienced players if Terry left.  

Just a shame he doesn't act like it.Been a huge huge liability this season..sod experience about performance 

[the wes 7,212]

I'm disappointed that we didn't buy a good replacement for jt 

[Special Juan 28,141]

39 minutes ago, the wes said:

I'm disappointed that we didn't buy a good replacement for jt 

Right now, and according to the board they see different...Miazga is the man.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

44 minutes ago, the wes said:

I'm disappointed that we didn't buy a good replacement for jt 

Prepare for more disappoint 

[Peace. 4,352]

I see a lot of people suggesting this is disgraceful of the Board to not renew Terry's contract and yadi yada... But I also see that these very same people have a very short — conveniently ? — memories.

 

Terry Senior was caught dealing cocaine ; Mrs Terry Senior was caught stealing clothes ; Terry Junior was allegedly caught facilitating tours of Cobham in a shady way ; Terry Junior was caught cheating his wife with the ex-wife of his ex-teammate ; Terry Junior was caught saying nasty racist things on the pitch ; etc, etc... Some might be false and some others might be blown out of proportions. Nonetheless, all these scandals — and more particularly the Bridge-gate and the Ferdinand-gate  — have been heavily used to indirectly attack our club and to try to derail many of our seasons. What did the club do ? They have backed him, all these years. I can assure you that anybody of you would be fired of your job on the spot if you were to be accused of racism — to be accused of racism today is like to be accused of paganism and witchcraft in Spain during the Inquisition or to be accused of being a Shia in Daesh's caliphate. Yet the club have backed him while it would have been so easy — especially because Benitez relegated him to the bench — to sack him like an old rag — and the whole football world would have congratulated Chelsea for doing so. And on top of that, that is the player that fucked up the penalty that would have won us our first Champions League ; and he let us down in the semi-final of the Champions League in 2012 — and consequently the final — by getting a stupid red card. It is highly likely that most of the club — at the exception of Liverpool, if you know what I mean — would have got rid of this problem of a player... Yet, during all those scandals, all those affairs, all those problematic moments... Chelsea has always backed their Captain while it would have been easier at several occasions to sell him than to back him up.

 

And now, despite all of that, some people have the sheer arrogance to accuse the board of being disrespectful ?? All of you, instead of playing your outraged virgins, you should be grateful toward this 'classless' and 'disrespectful' Board — because had not it been for this 'scum' of a Board, you lot would not have been able to watch your 'Captain, Leader, Legend' — he would not have stayed long enough to be called so anyway — for this past five years or so. Just keep that in mind... Ah, this whole 'who's the more outraged of us' contest is truly cringeworthy and pathetic, and is really becoming unbearable...

[Styles 9,790]

34 minutes ago, Peace. said:

I see a lot of people suggesting this is disgraceful of the Board to not renew Terry's contract and yadi yada... But I also see that these very same people have a very short — conveniently ? — memories.

 

Terry Senior was caught dealing cocaine ; Mrs Terry Senior was caught stealing clothes ; Terry Junior was allegedly caught facilitating tours of Cobham in a shady way ; Terry Junior was caught cheating his wife with the ex-wife of his ex-teammate ; Terry Junior was caught saying nasty racist things on the pitch ; etc, etc... Some might be false and some others might be blown out of proportions. Nonetheless, all these scandals — and more particularly the Bridge-gate and the Ferdinand-gate  — have been heavily used to indirectly attack our club and to try to derail many of our seasons. What did the club do ? They have backed him, all these years. I can assure you that anybody of you would be fired of your job on the spot if you were to be accused of racism — to be accused of racism today is like to be accused of paganism and witchcraft in Spain during the Inquisition or to be accused of being a Shia in Daesh's caliphate. Yet the club have backed him while it would have been so easy — especially because Benitez relegated him to the bench — to sack him like an old rag — and the whole football world would have congratulated Chelsea for doing so. And on top of that, that is the player that fucked up the penalty that would have won us our first Champions League ; and he let us down in the semi-final of the Champions League in 2012 — and consequently the final — by getting a stupid red card. It is highly likely that most of the club — at the exception of Liverpool, if you know what I mean — would have got rid of this problem of a player... Yet, during all those scandals, all those affairs, all those problematic moments... Chelsea has always backed their Captain while it would have been easier at several occasions to sell him than to back him up.

 

And now, despite all of that, some people have the sheer arrogance to accuse the board of being disrespectful ?? All of you, instead of playing your outraged virgins, you should be grateful toward this 'classless' and 'disrespectful' Board — because had not it been for this 'scum' of a Board, you lot would not have been able to watch your 'Captain, Leader, Legend' — he would not have stayed long enough to be called so anyway — for this past five years or so. Just keep that in mind... Ah, this whole 'who's the more outraged of us' contest is truly cringeworthy and pathetic, and is really becoming unbearable...

 

And what's funny is that the same members of the press who have spent years deriding Chelsea for Terry's many misdemeanours (some who advocated his sacking) are now bashing the club for simply saying NO AT THE MOMENT to a new deal for 35-year-old player (albeit captain, leader, legend etc etc etc).

This is all really just a big joke. I'm glad I don't take football seriously any more and can just laugh at stuff like this.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

1 hour ago, Peace. said:

I see a lot of people suggesting this is disgraceful of the Board to not renew Terry's contract and yadi yada... But I also see that these very same people have a very short — conveniently ? — memories.

 

Terry Senior was caught dealing cocaine ; Mrs Terry Senior was caught stealing clothes ; Terry Junior was allegedly caught facilitating tours of Cobham in a shady way ; Terry Junior was caught cheating his wife with the ex-wife of his ex-teammate ; Terry Junior was caught saying nasty racist things on the pitch ; etc, etc... Some might be false and some others might be blown out of proportions. Nonetheless, all these scandals — and more particularly the Bridge-gate and the Ferdinand-gate  — have been heavily used to indirectly attack our club and to try to derail many of our seasons. What did the club do ? They have backed him, all these years. I can assure you that anybody of you would be fired of your job on the spot if you were to be accused of racism — to be accused of racism today is like to be accused of paganism and witchcraft in Spain during the Inquisition or to be accused of being a Shia in Daesh's caliphate. Yet the club have backed him while it would have been so easy — especially because Benitez relegated him to the bench — to sack him like an old rag — and the whole football world would have congratulated Chelsea for doing so. And on top of that, that is the player that fucked up the penalty that would have won us our first Champions League ; and he let us down in the semi-final of the Champions League in 2012 — and consequently the final — by getting a stupid red card. It is highly likely that most of the club — at the exception of Liverpool, if you know what I mean — would have got rid of this problem of a player... Yet, during all those scandals, all those affairs, all those problematic moments... Chelsea has always backed their Captain while it would have been easier at several occasions to sell him than to back him up.

 

And now, despite all of that, some people have the sheer arrogance to accuse the board of being disrespectful ?? All of you, instead of playing your outraged virgins, you should be grateful toward this 'classless' and 'disrespectful' Board — because had not it been for this 'scum' of a Board, you lot would not have been able to watch your 'Captain, Leader, Legend' — he would not have stayed long enough to be called so anyway — for this past five years or so. Just keep that in mind... Ah, this whole 'who's the more outraged of us' contest is truly cringeworthy and pathetic, and is really becoming unbearable...

Yeah, but you're forgetting that the club was getting tax cuts by listing Terry's wages as charity....  

What the actual fuck are you even talking about? Yeah, Terry has been basically leaching off the club and taking advantage of their charitable hospitality of him to help his family's drug and theft mafia....

Or maybe, just maybe, the club thought that this is the best defender in the history of the premiere league and one of the best and most important player to have ever put on a Chelsea and that what he could still offer to the team BY FAR out-weighs any damage the media hysteria and exaggerations of his (and even more immorally, his family's) private lives. 

Every single board of a top club would have done the same and more for a player like Terry. Had the club decided to sell him in his prime, every single top English and European club would have been fighting for him.

If you are suggesting, even for a second, that the board had any reasons not sell Terry, or any other player, at any given moment, other than they thought it was financially and footballing wise in the best interest of the club; if you think that the board of a modern football club would just charitably do a player a favor out of the goodness of their hearts, then you haven't got the slightest idea how business management works.

Terry owes this board NOTHING. They have never done anything for him beyond fulfilling his contractual rights. On the other hand, JT has done so much more for this club than it says he has to on his contract. He's always gone the extra mile which showed how much he cared about the club and about its fans, be it watching and cheering on the youth teams on a regular basis, or offering advice and help to everyone at the club or reaching out to fans and talking and discussing with them during tough situations or regularly putting the best interest of the club before his personal health and long-term career. And THAT is why he will be immortal at this club long after this management and board have been forgotten.

But I do agree on one thing, it is pretty unbearably cringe-worthy and pathetic the shit you have to read on here some times... 

[Fulham Broadway 17,312]

@peace you post rare long articulate essays, that ocassionally hit the mark, this one is spectacularly way off.

Its the anti Chelsea bile from a T*ttenham fanzine, its the bitter ramblings of a trophy hungry Arsenal teenager in his bedroom, its a hateful jealous diatribe from a liverpool fan masturbating in a toilet. a post that can only reiterate the half truths from tabloid papers regarding the private life of the greatest player ever to play for Chelsea, the team you purport to support - tell us that you copied from a rival forum, and its a wind up, a sick joke.

[Kieran. 6,317]

3 hours ago, Peace. said:

I see a lot of people suggesting this is disgraceful of the Board to not renew Terry's contract and yadi yada... But I also see that these very same people have a very short — conveniently ? — memories.

 

Terry Senior was caught dealing cocaine ; Mrs Terry Senior was caught stealing clothes ; Terry Junior was allegedly caught facilitating tours of Cobham in a shady way ; Terry Junior was caught cheating his wife with the ex-wife of his ex-teammate ; Terry Junior was caught saying nasty racist things on the pitch ; etc, etc... Some might be false and some others might be blown out of proportions. Nonetheless, all these scandals — and more particularly the Bridge-gate and the Ferdinand-gate  — have been heavily used to indirectly attack our club and to try to derail many of our seasons. What did the club do ? They have backed him, all these years. I can assure you that anybody of you would be fired of your job on the spot if you were to be accused of racism — to be accused of racism today is like to be accused of paganism and witchcraft in Spain during the Inquisition or to be accused of being a Shia in Daesh's caliphate. Yet the club have backed him while it would have been so easy — especially because Benitez relegated him to the bench — to sack him like an old rag — and the whole football world would have congratulated Chelsea for doing so. And on top of that, that is the player that fucked up the penalty that would have won us our first Champions League ; and he let us down in the semi-final of the Champions League in 2012 — and consequently the final — by getting a stupid red card. It is highly likely that most of the club — at the exception of Liverpool, if you know what I mean — would have got rid of this problem of a player... Yet, during all those scandals, all those affairs, all those problematic moments... Chelsea has always backed their Captain while it would have been easier at several occasions to sell him than to back him up.

 

And now, despite all of that, some people have the sheer arrogance to accuse the board of being disrespectful ?? All of you, instead of playing your outraged virgins, you should be grateful toward this 'classless' and 'disrespectful' Board — because had not it been for this 'scum' of a Board, you lot would not have been able to watch your 'Captain, Leader, Legend' — he would not have stayed long enough to be called so anyway — for this past five years or so. Just keep that in mind... Ah, this whole 'who's the more outraged of us' contest is truly cringeworthy and pathetic, and is really becoming unbearable...

WTF? What has the board done for us except be absolute shit recently? What has John done for us except give us his all for over 20 fucking years?

[Henrique 9,133]

Just was thinking: the club actually never told Terry that his contract won't be renewed, instead said the next manager will decide. So, why did he decide to make everything public? 

1- Other clubs will understand the is available in the summer and his word will atract good offers from the likes of MLS clubs.

2- The next manager will be left in a situation that he will feel forced to give Terry a contract extention to win over fans.

Its a win or win situation.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

59 minutes ago, Kieran. said:

WTF? What has the board done for us except be absolute shit recently? What has John done for us except give us his all for over 20 fucking years?

 

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

@peace you post rare long articulate essays, that ocassionally hit the mark, this one is spectacularly way off.

Its the anti Chelsea bile from a T*ttenham fanzine, its the bitter ramblings of a trophy hungry Arsenal teenager in his bedroom, its a hateful jealous diatribe from a liverpool fan masturbating in a toilet. a post that can only reiterate the half truths from tabloid papers regarding the private life of the greatest player ever to play for Chelsea, the team you purport to support - tell us that you copied from a rival forum, and its a wind up, a sick joke.

 

2 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

 

 

Think you're all missing the point. The board simply doesn't owe John Terry a new contract. They aren't obligated in any way to give John Terry a new contract.

John Terry has shown loyalty to us by staying, yes but the club has also shown loyalty to him by sticking with him through let's call them "unfortunate situations" ( the ones that Peace mentioned). 

Not to mention he's been paid quite well over the years here. Would he have shown the same type of loyalty to us if Roman didn't buy the club which allowed us to give him his £150 000 a week and made us a team that challenged for the biggest prizes ?

Probably not but  that's okay. Big players go to clubs (or stay at them) that pay well and challenge for prizes. So don't go acting like Terry was doing us some sort of favour by sticking around here. We simply never gave him any reason to look elsewhere.

It's perfectly fine to want Terry to stay and to be sad about him potentially leaving the club after his long time here (no doubt, he has been great for us) but acting as if it's such a disgrace, such an outrage that we aren't offering him a contract without knowing if the next manager wants him around is ridiculous and way over the top.

[Leif 6,006]

6 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

 

 

 

Think you're all missing the point. The board simply doesn't owe John Terry a new contract. They aren't obligated in any way to give John Terry a new contract.

John Terry has shown loyalty to us by staying, yes but the club has also shown loyalty to him by sticking with him through let's call them "unfortunate situations" ( the ones that Peace mentioned). 

Not to mention he's been paid quite well over the years here. Would he have shown the same type of loyalty to us if Roman didn't buy the club which allowed us to give him his £150 000 a week and made us a team that challenged for the biggest prizes ?

Probably not but  that's okay. Big players go to clubs (or stay at them) that pay well and challenge for prizes. So don't go acting like Terry was doing us some sort of favour by sticking around here. We simply never gave him any reason to look elsewhere.

It's perfectly fine to want Terry to stay and to be sad about him potentially leaving the club after his long time here (no doubt, he has been great for us) but acting as if it's such a disgrace, such an outrage that we aren't offering him a contract without knowing if the next manager wants him around is ridiculous and way over the top.

But it becomes an outrage when it sinks in that Ivanovic, who is half the player, got offered a new contract. How does that add up. How is there not basic outrage at the fact we're happy to let our best defender walk? What top club does that?

Milan, who are now bang average. We are run like Milan. :|

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

I can only imagine what would happen in Rome if a similar situation would take place between the club and Totti, or back then between Milan and Maldini.  Riots would be putting it lightly.

 

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Just now, Leif said:

But it becomes an outrage when it sinks in that Ivanovic, who is half the player, got offered a new contract. How does that add up. How is there not basic outrage at the fact we're happy to let our best defender walk? What top club does that?

Milan, who are now bang average. We are run like Milan. :|

Trust me i'm not happy with Ivanovic getting a new contract and would have preferred if we let him go at the end of the season and simply moved Azpi to the right and brought in a young rb to be his understudy.

But if the manager doesn't want Ivanovic we can still sell him. That's the difference, Ivanovic still has value on the transfer market. John Terry, at 35, simply doesn't. 

"Our best defender"  Suppose that depends how you look at it. With the way we are currently playing, ( fullbacks pushing high up, high line, fluid midfield.) our central defenders are frequently left exposed. Zouma for me is the better defender under those conditions.

Where exactly Terry fits in will depend greatly on what type of system we'll use next season. Which i think is why the club is waiting to see who will be our manager next season.

Again i think it's a sensible thing to do.

  

[Spike 12,049]

5 hours ago, Peace. said:

I see a lot of people suggesting this is disgraceful of the Board to not renew Terry's contract and yadi yada... But I also see that these very same people have a very short — conveniently ? — memories.

 

Terry Senior was caught dealing cocaine ; Mrs Terry Senior was caught stealing clothes ; Terry Junior was allegedly caught facilitating tours of Cobham in a shady way ; Terry Junior was caught cheating his wife with the ex-wife of his ex-teammate ; Terry Junior was caught saying nasty racist things on the pitch ; etc, etc... Some might be false and some others might be blown out of proportions. Nonetheless, all these scandals — and more particularly the Bridge-gate and the Ferdinand-gate  — have been heavily used to indirectly attack our club and to try to derail many of our seasons. What did the club do ? They have backed him, all these years. I can assure you that anybody of you would be fired of your job on the spot if you were to be accused of racism — to be accused of racism today is like to be accused of paganism and witchcraft in Spain during the Inquisition or to be accused of being a Shia in Daesh's caliphate. Yet the club have backed him while it would have been so easy — especially because Benitez relegated him to the bench — to sack him like an old rag — and the whole football world would have congratulated Chelsea for doing so. And on top of that, that is the player that fucked up the penalty that would have won us our first Champions League ; and he let us down in the semi-final of the Champions League in 2012 — and consequently the final — by getting a stupid red card. It is highly likely that most of the club — at the exception of Liverpool, if you know what I mean — would have got rid of this problem of a player... Yet, during all those scandals, all those affairs, all those problematic moments... Chelsea has always backed their Captain while it would have been easier at several occasions to sell him than to back him up.

 

And now, despite all of that, some people have the sheer arrogance to accuse the board of being disrespectful ?? All of you, instead of playing your outraged virgins, you should be grateful toward this 'classless' and 'disrespectful' Board — because had not it been for this 'scum' of a Board, you lot would not have been able to watch your 'Captain, Leader, Legend' — he would not have stayed long enough to be called so anyway — for this past five years or so. Just keep that in mind... Ah, this whole 'who's the more outraged of us' contest is truly cringeworthy and pathetic, and is really becoming unbearable...

Great perspective. An interesting take that other clubs would have dropped him for his faults. There have been a lot of good times and a lot of bad times for Terry but the club and the man himself have done well to stick together. Other players have been booted out of clubs for less. It's good that the board obviously viewed the good and what he brings to the club and team as far more important than the bad and didn't buy into the global pressure of Terry's poor PR.  I've yet to see a player replicate the near universal hatred as Terry, boy does he have his detractors. Both the club and the man have shown loyalty to each other...until now. 

It's the end of an era. No need to be upset about it. These things happen in life and I look forward to seeing what will happen in the future. I won't be mad, nor pessimistic of the future. If the club's hierarchy wants to press on with a new philosophy than good for them, I can't wait to see what the club is reinvented as.

[Peace. 4,352]

2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

@peace you post rare long articulate essays, that ocassionally hit the mark, this one is spectacularly way off.

Its the anti Chelsea bile from a T*ttenham fanzine, its the bitter ramblings of a trophy hungry Arsenal teenager in his bedroom, its a hateful jealous diatribe from a liverpool fan masturbating in a toilet. a post that can only reiterate the half truths from tabloid papers regarding the private life of the greatest player ever to play for Chelsea, the team you purport to support - tell us that you copied from a rival forum, and its a wind up, a sick joke.

 

FB, did you read my post or did you read what you wanted to read ? In my previous comment, there is no anti-Chelsea, no anti-Board, no anti-Terry, no anti-nothing, really. No, actually there is a 'anti-something' ! And this is directed against 90% of the members of this forum who, while having absolutely no clue of what might going on in the board, have skipped the step 'think before you talk' to let the free reign to their emotions and who rue themselves to be the most outraged of the outraged virgins.

Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's dad and his cocaine deal ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's mother and mother-in-law stealing clothes ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry cheating his wife with his ex-teammate's ex-wife ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's saying racist stuff ? Did Terry was stripped of his England captaincy because of that, and did he was banned and fined by the FA ? Did Terry had to go to a civil court because of that ? Yes, fact.

I am so, sooooo so sorry if the things I aforementioned are not of your liking, but I did not write those articles no did I banned him and bring him before a court. In my previous post, while listing all those facts, I delivered absolutely no  judgment of value neither about the club nor about Terry... And the most important of all, did I say that what he allegedly done was true or not true ? No, no and no. And anyway, who gives a damn if it is true or not, at the exception of you lot ? Media and other teams' supporters do not give a damn about the veracity of those allegations — it paints Terry as a bad guy and eventually Chelsea as a disgusting club, that is enough for them.

Did all these scandals brought bad publicity to the club, did they pictured Chelsea as classless ? Were all these moments easy for the Club to handle ? It must be very difficult for a club to handle situations where its 'Captain, Leader, Legend' is being painted as a racist and an infidel husband whose mum steals clothes and whose dad sells cocaine.. don't you think ? And as you live in Europe, you should know that publicly accusing a public figure of racism is the perfect way to ruin his career — once you are labelled as racist, you are finished.

To conclude, what did I say in my previous comment ? This is pretty trivial. If the club wanted to disrespectfully get rid of John Terry like an old rag, they would have done it way before as they had several occasion to do so. And the best occasion would have been during the Ferdinand-gate. Why ? Because : 1) Benitez had already benched Terry and to sell a bench player is easier than to sell the captain of the starting eleven 2) Consequently, Benitez would have taken the most part of the blames and insults from the fans 3) Cech, Lampard and Cole were still around ; selling a legend while there are three remainings is easier to get rid of your last legend 4) they would have had the 'anti-racism' shield and would likely have been applauded by the football world to have taken action against racism.

But they did not got rid of him. Terry had been at several occasions at the center of various scandals and he mechanically dragged the Club into all this mess. Yet they backed him up during all these difficult times ; no armband stripped, no status degraded, no fine given and not even bench-time given ! Do you think this is disrespectful from the Club to have acted as such ? Chelsea FC have backed one of their employees during difficult times, they have supported him — is this not a class act ?

All I wanted to do was to point out that, even though all these knights of the Holy Virginity might bawl and shout all they want about how classless and disrespectful Chelsea is, if one thinks a few seconds (I won't dare to ask a few minutes) and analyze the relationship between Terry and the Club over the years, then one would notice that there is a lot of professionality, maturity and class between Terry and the Club and vice-versa — and thus those accusations of 'disrespect' would appear to be out of place.

But maybe that it is me who is out of place after all. Since Mourinho has fallen, this forum does not take kindly to common sense and well argumented debates. And I probably should leave the lot of you in your world of fantasies where Emenalo and the Board's members are irrevocably bad persons that do all those disrespectful stuff only to be mean toward innocent Chelsea fans and are the sole reason for which we are such in a dire situation and the sole reason for which our almighty best manager has been sacked.

That being said, it still baffles me that I have to go in length to explain a post that was apparently well enough written for a few people to understand — or maybe they actually read my post — while the vast majority of the members of this forum are having a field day for two months now, and all they do is to insult a Chelsea's employee and to label the Club and its board as classless and disrespectful and all — and everything is good for them... But oh well..