The Conte Thread

[Polo7 3,496]

Lets face it, no matter which manager we get after 1 season the team will play shit again. The board and mentality of the players wont change with a new manager. 

[Laylabelle 9,351]

Just now, Polo7 said:

Lets face it, no matter which manager we get after 1 season the team will play shit again. The board and mentality of the players wont change with a new manager. 

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result and all

This is why think give short term contracts... They'll never see out longer then 2 years

[El P. 1,354]

If Conte stays, than our stupid board MIGHT be showing awareness that we need some new good players and different approach with transfers. If we get new manager they will think he will solve all our problems, that's for sure. They done it past, why not again?

No one can work miracles with this players, no one. There may be season where we get into some crazy form, like 2016-17, and do some damage, but others are now just too strong for it to be enough.

Conte staying would make a clear message - we (the board) were wrong and a lot of our players are not good enough for Chelsea.

[oldportblue 547]

30 minutes ago, Polo7 said:

Lets face it, no matter which manager we get after 1 season the team will play shit again. The board and mentality of the players wont change with a new manager. 

I sort of agree with this but I also feel that we can get rid of some deadwood and replace it with some quality targets that have character and maybe leadership qualities. This could go a long way in terms of rectifying the attitude problem that we seem to have..

Getting a manager that won't whine *every* press conference about the team not being good enough to compete will also help. The players heard it so often that I truly believe it had an averse effect on them and the chase for top 4 (we were clearly good enough to get top 4 and a more positive manager, in terms of tactics and overall demeanor, probably would've gotten it fairly easily this season).

Now that I think of it, we've had a lot of emo management these past few years (jose second season and conte's second season). I'm not saying the players didn't have their share of the blame throughout those debacles, of course they did, but that still probably wasn't the best for the club's overall morale... some will say the players' shite performances made these managers emo but they both sulked a lot regardless of the reason.

Getting a manager who fits with the board's plan of using the academy, playing attacking football (as has been rumored, don't know if its true) will go a long way in terms of making sure he won't just sulk for months on end. I'd be OK with Sarri and Jardim and there are rumors circulating our board met with Pochettino recently as well (doubt it would happen but stealing spurs' all time best manager, or one of, in a season were they finished above us would be epic lol)

 

[Tomo 21,733]

37 minutes ago, El P. said:

If Conte stays, than our stupid board MIGHT be showing awareness that we need some new good players and different approach with transfers. If we get new manager they will think he will solve all our problems, that's for sure. They done it past, why not again?

No one can work miracles with this players, no one. There may be season where we get into some crazy form, like 2016-17, and do some damage, but others are now just too strong for it to be enough.

Conte staying would make a clear message - we (the board) were wrong and a lot of our players are not good enough for Chelsea.

Conte's burned his bridges, even if he stays and has the perfect window, he will be one so so one away from kicking off again. If he was getting the best out of what he had i'd show him some leeway, but he hasn't.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, El P. said:

If Conte stays, than our stupid board MIGHT be showing awareness that we need some new good players and different approach with transfers. If we get new manager they will think he will solve all our problems, that's for sure. They done it past, why not again?

No one can work miracles with this players, no one. There may be season where we get into some crazy form, like 2016-17, and do some damage, but others are now just too strong for it to be enough.

Conte staying would make a clear message - we (the board) were wrong and a lot of our players are not good enough for Chelsea.

You're right about the need to replace the bad players with good ones and have a different approach with transfers but at the same time, I do not want us to keep the manager for the sake of keeping it. As Tomo alluded to above, had Conte been trying to get his best out of the squad but still came up short, then yes, I wouldn't mind us keeping him at all. But he has been sabotaging the team's attempt at success this season, especially in 2018. We all can agree that this squad isn't good enough to challenge at the highest level at the moment but it's still good enough to finish in the top 4. But Conte went AWOL and decided it's better to prove a point to the board by making hopeless team selections, tactical decisions etc.

[Stats 7,054]

The scenes this would cause:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11373128/chelsea-may-move-for-spurs-boss-mauricio-pochettino

 

 

 

[El P. 1,354]

You're right about the need to replace the bad players with good ones and have a different approach with transfers but at the same time, I do not want us to keep the manager for the sake of keeping it. As Tomo alluded to above, had Conte been trying to get his best out of the squad but still came up short, then yes, I wouldn't mind us keeping him at all. But he has been sabotaging the team's attempt at success this season, especially in 2018. We all can agree that this squad isn't good enough to challenge at the highest level at the moment but it's still good enough to finish in the top 4. But Conte went AWOL and decided it's better to prove a point to the board by making hopeless team selections, tactical decisions etc.

Sabotaging? On purpose? I guess you have some insider info that I'm not aware of...

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[Special Juan 27,424]

MP saying he is speaking with Spurs about his future plans and what they need to take themselves forward.....Well he will be no fucking good here will he?

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

If the board don' change with some more knowledgeable directors we will not be an attractive prospect soon. All takes is 2-3 poor seasons in a row. 

[Jase 43,479]

23 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Not sure. I thought Conte and Emenalo were butting heads over transfers and taking the club in whatever direction. Emenalo did sign some absolute shite players this summer though, Drinkwater, Bakayoko, Zappacosta.. a lack of quality didnt help. 

At this point, it's tough to take Conte's words seriously anymore. Anything that comes out from him these days feels more like excuses than anything else. 

[El P. 1,354]

Hazard now moaning about transfers too. Damn it, it must be this Conte's influence... Don't know what else could it be!

How did they not learn just to suck it up and shut up and do their jobs. I mean, are we paying them so much so they can have their opinions and freedom of speech? Gosh, world gone mad...

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

9 hours ago, Jason said:

At this point, it's tough to take Conte's words seriously anymore. Anything that comes out from him these days feels more like excuses than anything else. 

Conte has praised Emenalo before:

"My relationship with Michael was very good as he helped me a lot last season"
http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/2017/11/five-at-5pm0.html

Back then it was also reported that Emenalo was Conte' close ally
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/chelsea-news-michael-emenalo-leaves-robs-antonio-conte-close-ally-peacemaker-maria-granovskaia-a8041481.html

 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

2 hours ago, El P. said:

Hazard now moaning about transfers too. Damn it, it must be this Conte's influence... Don't know what else could it be!

How did they not learn just to suck it up and shut up and do their jobs. I mean, are we paying them so much so they can have their opinions and freedom of speech? Gosh, world gone mad...

We are apparently a big club and if we were ambitious, there would be no need for them to speak about the issue.

Between you and me, you probably agree we need better players and more ambition too. 

I see bigger problem in players not performing or flirting with other clubs  rather talk about us needing better transfers. In other words, its at least intent they do give a shit about club and want to succeed here. Heck Griezmann said the same thing about Atletico signings and showing ambition.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

On 5/14/2018 at 6:27 PM, OneMoSalah said:

Not sure. I thought Conte and Emenalo were butting heads over transfers and taking the club in whatever direction. Emenalo did sign some absolute shite players this summer though, Drinkwater, Bakayoko, Zappacosta.. a lack of quality didnt help. 

Lets see what we do in summer without Emenalo. 

IMO Emenalo was never the problem, problem was not having someone with actual quality and experience in charge. Its not like there was someone realy talented under shadow of Emenalo and Emenalo leaving will give that man open arms.

Now, there is no Emenalo anymore, but we didnt get anyone like Kenyon, not sure we will do any better with Marina.

There were rumours about getting Lille director, but I hope thats not true. The man ordered (together with Bielsa) to get rid of every experienced player, which pushed Lille young inexperienced team (they have youngest team in europe) on brink of league 2. Not to mention they are being sued by Bielsa and french football federation reported Lille has empty bank and if they wont pay debts until july 1st, they will go straight to league 2 (they spent over 60m last summer). Talk about bad management.

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, pHaRaOn said:

Conte has praised Emenalo before:

"My relationship with Michael was very good as he helped me a lot last season"
http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/2017/11/five-at-5pm0.html

Back then it was also reported that Emenalo was Conte' close ally
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/chelsea-news-michael-emenalo-leaves-robs-antonio-conte-close-ally-peacemaker-maria-granovskaia-a8041481.html

 

I don't necessarily mean he's lying about his relationship with Emenalo but more of the fact that he's just gonna say whatever convenient to absolve himself of any blame for this season's failure. 

[Unionjack 7,531]

On 14/05/2018 at 9:57 PM, oldportblue said:

Getting a manager that won't whine *every* press conference about the team not being good enough to compete will also help. The players heard it so often that I truly believe it had an averse effect on them and the chase for top 4 (we were clearly good enough to get top 4 and a more positive manager, in terms of tactics and overall demeanor, probably would've gotten it fairly easily this season).

When Conte comes out stating we need to do more in the transfer marker he is whining and it had an averse effect on the team but when Eden comes out stating basically hes gonna fuck off if je doesn't have better players around him hes done the right thing  and peeps dont blame him.

Amazing.

 

13 hours ago, Jason said:

At this point, it's tough to take Conte's words seriously anymore. Anything that comes out from him these days feels more like excuses than anything else. 

Am I in some sort of Groundhog Day dream? What other manager does this remind you of?

[11Drogba 2,000]

1 hour ago, Unionjack said:

When Conte comes out stating we need to do more in the transfer marker he is whining and it had an averse effect on the team but when Eden comes out stating basically hes gonna fuck off if je doesn't have better players around him hes done the right thing  and peeps dont blame him.

Amazing.

If Hazard said this before and after the games almost every week I am sure he would be criticized too.

Also Conte  may not be getting his first targets but he is obviously involved in the process. So he is partly responsible unlike Hazard.