CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Just a small point and has nothing to do with the fact that I quite like Guus, but I've seen people suggest that Jose failed to adapt and that football simply passed him by. My question is, could the same have happened to Guus.He came in and did well with us in 2009, although we were a great side then. We were almost CL winners just 12 months before under Avram Grant. We aren't that now.Since then he was sacked by Turkey, sacked by Holland (both for failing to qualify for tournaments) and had a half-decent spell with Anzhi. In that same time Jose has won 4 leagues, 4 cups, 1 Champions League and been named FIFA Coach of the Year.Is there a possibility that Hiddink is simply past it? It seems as though the only thing he's done of note in the last decade is take over the beaten Champions League finalists featuring players like Terry, Drogba, Cech, Lampard, Cole and Ballack and get them playing well. Two years later the same core would win a CL with Di Matteo at the helm. This situation seems a lot different to me.Because people think they know better than the coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I'm surely He'll need good support from the board in this marketIdk if he should have control though.Iirc, the last time he 'signed' a player for us it happen to be one Yuri Zhirkov. Aside from that blinder vs Spartak(?).. He pretty much did eff all? Made a good emergency left-back mind you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Idk if he should have control though.Iirc, the last time he 'signed' a player for us it happen to be one Yuri Zhirkov. Aside from that blinder vs Spartak(?).. He pretty much did eff all? Made a good emergency left-back mind you.He never really got the chance too impress, first season Malouda and Cole were in the form of their lives and second season we were such a mess.Wouldn't have minded him staying on under AVB but we got a good offer for him all things considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 One interesting thing that happens here often is that our very expensive coaching staff is completely ignored when we discuss team and lineups, which is silly especially now with a new manager and a temp one at that.This team was the coaching staffs not his. And he will be listening to them again and again so I do t expect drastic changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 What in the bloody fuck? Zhirkov was a solid back up for us and put up quality performances even at LB domestically and in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I thought it was nice to have TOPTB back in the forums for the first few days, but now I am getting tired of it already lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 He never really got the chance too impress, first season Malouda and Cole were in the form of their lives and second season we were such a mess.Wouldn't have minded him staying on under AVB but we got a good offer for him all things considered.Fair enough, my assessment of him wasn't that great imo I guess. Slightly unnecessary and the deal was done before we'd even secured a new manager.. It was Hiddink's parting gift so to speak.But either way, don't think he should have much say in transfers considering how long he's going to stick around for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I thought it was nice to have TOPTB back in the forums for the first few days, but now I am getting tired of it already lolThere was a reason he got banned I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I thought it was nice to have TOPTB back in the forums for the first few days, but now I am getting tired of it already lolHe's back now? I swear he joined TheShedEnd and was slagging off this forum a few months back lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,448 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I don't care what he does in Europe, but in the league at least I hope he eventually starts games with 2 strikers in the lineup. Our number 10s are too slow in decision making to make any useful contribution to our attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 He's back now? I swear he joined TheShedEnd and was slagging off this forum a few months back lol...Think he got banned there aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Doonican 4,186 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Just a small point and has nothing to do with the fact that I quite like Guus, but I've seen people suggest that Jose failed to adapt and that football simply passed him by. My question is, could the same have happened to Guus.He came in and did well with us in 2009, although we were a great side then. We were almost CL winners just 12 months before under Avram Grant. We aren't that now.Since then he was sacked by Turkey, sacked by Holland (both for failing to qualify for tournaments) and had a half-decent spell with Anzhi. In that same time Jose has won 4 leagues, 4 cups, 1 Champions League and been named FIFA Coach of the Year.Is there a possibility that Hiddink is simply past it? It seems as though the only thing he's done of note in the last decade is take over the beaten Champions League finalists featuring players like Terry, Drogba, Cech, Lampard, Cole and Ballack and get them playing well. Two years later the same core would win a CL with Di Matteo at the helm. This situation seems a lot different to me.Hiddink doesn't leave everywhere he manages in turmoil and hasn't turned a championship winning team to one hovering above the relegation zone in the space of five months. He also won't get rid of his flair players or try and turn them into James Milner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossie the King 634 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I thought it was nice to have TOPTB back in the forums for the first few days, but now I am getting tired of it already lolFor the umpteenth time, I'm not not have I ever been another poster. Not sure what more I can do to prove it and not sure how the rumour even started. Getting boring now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossie the King 634 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Hiddink doesn't leave everywhere he manages in turmoil and hasn't turned a championship winning team to one hovering above the relegation zone in the space of five months. He also won't get rid of his flair players or try and turn them into James Milner.The team José left the first time around had a core of players, a steeliness, that I think contributed massively to all the success that followed for the next 5 years or so.Some might also credit José with helping to create that championship winning team in the first place. Then last summer happened and the squad was arguably weakened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 For the umpteenth time, I'm not not have I ever been another poster. Not sure what more I can do to prove it and not sure how the rumour even started. Getting boring now though.There is a simple test you know Do you, by any chance, believe that Nathanial Chalobah should have been included in England's World Cup 2014 squad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossie the King 634 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 There is a simple test you know Do you, by any chance, believe that Nathanial Chalobah should have been included in England's World Cup 2014 squad? What? No I don't although he might be useful to have around now. Had a lot of potential that lad, still does. But the Euros no lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Doonican 4,186 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 For the umpteenth time, I'm not not have I ever been another poster. Not sure what more I can do to prove it and not sure how the rumour even started. Getting boring now though.Ahhh go on your Blue Daze ahhh go on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 He's back now? I swear he joined TheShedEnd and was slagging off this forum a few months back lol...Whether it's him or not, I just had a good laugh reading some posts TSE slagging off TC - I even see Sloth joined them xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 For the umpteenth time, I'm not not have I ever been another poster. Not sure what more I can do to prove it and not sure how the rumour even started. Getting boring now though.Lol - the more you defend yourself, the more convinced people will be - it's a no win game Im sure come 7:15 tonight, there will be much more to talk about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Whether it's him or not, I just had a good laugh reading some posts TSE slagging off TC - I even see Sloth joined them xDLink? PM me if you don't wanna post publicly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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