The Mourinho Thread

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Not been around a lot here, but I'm pretty sure that there is a bit of negativity around here as usual.

The red card cost us, not the part where we decided to defend our way out of the game after going a goal up. If Ivanovic stayed, we would never have had to reorganize. That's the problem with modern zonal and man marking. If we stuck to the theoretical man-marking, we could easily have replaced Iva's cover with a specific player. That does not happen in today's scenario, and that cost us. Lack of time to re-organize and the amount of built up tension.

It's understandable to go out and score another goal, but psychologically, United always wanted to win this more than us. We just can't help that. They played pretty good and it shows that they've been been playing without heart for quite a long time. Hopefully this win gives them the confidence to go on and beat City.

Once again if that silly red card didn't occur, RVP wouldn't be banging in that goal.

[Jase 43,479]

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[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

We had basically a full squad against Shalke and City and did the same genius.

No it wasn't! Our "defensive" substitutions were not made at 65 against either team. They were made when we needed to tighten up and look to hit them on the break. You guys act as if footballers are robots, like fatigue, both physical and mental aren't things that you need to account for in the management of games.

We drew city away and utd away, at city perhaps would've been better to be more attacking since they were reduced to a man but utd had no control of the game and we had multiple yellows. You guys keep ignoring the simple facts of the game in favour of the football manager-like ridiculous suggestions.

What smart manager in their right mind, up a goal on the road with six yellows is not gonna sub one of the at risk players for another player in a similar position?

This is simple X's and O's fellas.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

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That says it all really. Jose needs to understand that this team isn't built to defend a lead against top teams despite our strong defense. It's not like the 2004-05 /2005-06 teams. We have too many flair, technically gifted players who aren't used to sitting back and holding a lead. Hazard, Willian, Fabregas, Oscar even.

You could say we were unlucky with the foul vs Man United, but against City, no way we should have been defending deep when they had only 10 men. In the 2nd half vs Arsenal, we also sat back at home and waited on the counter, but they didn't have the quality to score against us.

Jose needs to show he can make the team more proactive when we have the lead vs the top sides. Real Madrid vs Liverpool didn't sit back vs Barcelona until the final 10 mins and that was with a 2 goal cushion. Against Liverpool, they kept on trying to score more goals.

I think this is a very fair and legitimate criticism of some of Mourinho's tactics.

[Styles 9,790]

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26% possession against a team with 10 men no less.

[Cholo 428]

Guardiola is a bitch who let his friend fucking die from cancer without any help. A disgusting personality. He ignored the help letter from a player in Qatar. He fucked up his relation with players like Mandzukic, Ibrahimovic, Yaya Toure, Eto'o who altogether curse him till today. Bald fked up hypocrite he is.

[Fernando 6,500]

Guardiola is a bitch who let his friend fucking die from cancer without any help. A disgusting personality. He ignored the help letter from a player in Qatar. He fucked up his relation with players like Mandzukic, Ibrahimovic, Yaya Toure, Eto'o who altogether curse him till today. Bald fked up hypocrite he is.

I find your post very offensive.

[chelseafc9010 224]

No it wasn't! Our "defensive" substitutions were not made at 65 against either team. They were made when we needed to tighten up and look to hit them on the break. You guys act as if footballers are robots, like fatigue, both physical and mental aren't things that you need to account for in the management of games.

We drew city away and utd away, at city perhaps would've been better to be more attacking since they were reduced to a man but utd had no control of the game and we had multiple yellows. You guys keep ignoring the simple facts of the game in favour of the football manager-like ridiculous suggestions.

What smart manager in their right mind, up a goal on the road with six yellows is not gonna sub one of the at risk players for another player in a similar position?

This is simple X's and O's fellas.

Nevermind.. you miss the point.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Look Sherlock, I've already given a clear explanation of 'what I would of done' but again you don't seem to have the ability to read, however to reply to the rest of your post, if anyone 'was tired' then that would of been Drogba at 36 who has had very little 'game time' if Oscar was tired which I certainly didn't see it, then bring on Schurrle as virtually like for like to keep the momentum we had where we were totally 'controlling' the game. I could understand the change if we were playing a class side where we were going to be up against it like Real, Bayern or poss Barca but playing a team that is clearly lacking in confidence who have had the worst start for 20 odd years and were very much second best at the point were José made the change was asking for trouble...........oh yeah that's right we conceded!!! If we did not have 'the presence on the bench' as you put it then why the fuck change it?!

This is becoming so asinine... mainly because you only comprehend one side of the story. Let me see if I can try and break it down into simple terms.

We had one recognized striker, he happens to be the only one who is adept at winning headers should we need to defend a set piece... Drogba. If we needed an outlet ball who are we using as a target man, Schurrle? LOL...

We had 3 CM's on yellows, when you think of which position is most at risk do you think striker or CM? When you look at the bench and you see a bunch of kids and one experienced big game CM what is the logical decision, leave all of our at risk CM's on or take one off for one of the only players we had on the bench with experience? hmmmm... I know what a smart manager would do where do you fall?

We made the sub because of the yellows and because the guys were looking knackered. One tired challenge and its red... His hand was forced.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW???

I Somehow doubt it.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Nevermind.. you miss the point.

There is no point dude I'm merely stating the facts.

[chelseafc9010 224]

There is no point dude I'm merely stating the facts.

About what? We are discussing about Jose's tactics after going a goal up, and your here rambling on about players being robots and stuff, I see no arguments or stats.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

About what? We are discussing about Jose's tactics after going a goal up, and your here rambling on about players being robots and stuff, I see no arguments or stats.

you're making blanket statements about the tactics like every situation is exactly the same. Each one has its own unique properties... but go on with your 'paint by numbers' analytics... its really clever.

[The Chels 2,502]

This is becoming so asinine... mainly because you and only comprehend on side of the story. Let me see if I can try and break it down into simple terms.

We had one recognized striker, he happens to be the only one who is adept at winning headers should we need to defend a set piece... Drogba. If we needed an outlet ball who are we using as a target man, Schurrle? LOL...

We had 3 CM's on yellows, when you think of which position is most at risk do you think striker or CM? When you look at the bench and you see a bunch of kids and one experienced big game CM what is the logical decision, leave all of our at risk CM's on or take one off for one of the only players we had on the bench with experience? hmmmm... I know what a smart manager would do where do you fall?

We made the sub because of the yellows and because the guys were looking knackered. One tired challenge and its red... His hand was forced.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW???

I Somehow doubt it.

Right... And how about against 10-man City?

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Right... And how about against 10-man City?

did we have any control of the city match at any time? whether it was 11v11 or 11v10? City were simply better than us on the day. We were able to get a goal up on the red but other than that its not like we had any control of the match. Am I right in saying that?

[Jase 43,479]

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[The Chels 2,502]

did we have any control of the city match at any time? whether it was 11v11 or 11v10? City were simply better than us on the day. We were able to get a goal up on the red but other than that its not like we had any control of the match. Am I right in saying that?

Are you suggesting we weren't able to take control at 11v10? We clearly decided not to.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Are you suggesting we weren't able to take control at 11v10? We clearly decided not to.

I'm saying we at no point had control of that match. We were on the back foot from the first kick...

I'm not saying I agree, just pointing out the truism... City were very good.

Also, the point is it makes absolutely NO sense to make blanket statements about in game tactics from one match to another mainly because every situation has its own set of unique properties that influence ones decision.

[Chelsea? 892]

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cant see, what did they show?