The Mourinho Thread

[quickpassnmove 924]

Ranieri, Mourinho 1st run, Ancelotti, and AVB were all good calls for managers even though AVB didn't meet expectations. Arguably, Chelsea could have kept Ranieri, but I'm not going to argue that one. I don't understand why Ancelotti wasn't kept TBH. If Ancelotti were given good wingers or AMs like we have now along with some more good CMs and fullbacks as time progressed, I'm sure he would have done well enough.

[Namika 922]

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/news-cat/chelsea-possibile-un-ritorno-di-shevchenko-la-situazione/

What the fuck

[The Skipper 20,609]

I used to be in the 'keep Mourinho till the end of the season at least' crowd but honestly what's the point if he does end up going at the end of the season anyway? Why not get in a manager now (if it's not Pep who's available at the end of the season) and let him have this time to evaluate the squad, the youngsters coming through and start implementing his ideas and stuff early?

[Pizy 18,953]

as soon as the new manager starts winning games, playing good football like this team should be, all the match going fans will forget about jose.

i dont see the match going fans crying about mata or making banners like "bring back mata".

there is only so much space for emotions in any field. beyond this point, it is simply FOLLY to keep jose.

Conversely, what happens if we appoint the next AVB and he fails to improve us at all? What if Mourinho goes to United (people keep deluding themselves into thinking he wouldn't go there) and makes them an unstoppable force again whilst City get Guardiola?

I'd reluctantly sack him if I was sure the future would be bright, but that would require us hiring Ancelotti/Pep/Klopp. Two of those are impossible and as of today the third looks impossible too. Every other candidate either has question marks (Hiddink, Emery, Conte etc) or are complete jokes like Juande Ramos.

I get that people want us to improve but we can't think just about the short term. What happens if next season and beyond we have to be going against a Pep led City, Mourinho led United, Wenger's Arsenal who finally look like legit contenders, a Klopp led Liverpool who will grow leaps and bounds, and now even Spuds are getting it together under Poch? We could be completely left behind and set back for years.

I myself was one of the "José out" guys after this latest result but if we're thinking about appointing one of these clown candidates then I'd rather just stick with him and give him total authority to change the squad over the next two windows.

[Muzchap 8,966]

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/news-cat/chelsea-possibile-un-ritorno-di-shevchenko-la-situazione/

What the fuck

Sounds legit - that well known Place

STANFORD BRIDGE

Lmao

[Muzchap 8,966]

C'mon is it summer time yet?

[Peace. 4,352]

And can the fee we would pay to sack him be the reason for which we do not sack him ? And should it even be a reason ?

Going by that — graphic —, if we stay at our current position (16th), we would receive £10m for 'merit' (i.e. our final position). Had we were in a position to secure the 4th position, we would have received £34m — that's a £24m loss. If we manage to get the 10th spot — we are 8 points away, that is half of our point tally —, we would get £22m, that is a £12m loss. I doubt we will get significantly less 'live' diffusion because of our slump (I'm sure they lick their lips at the idea of diffusing even more of our slump), but it might result in one or two live game in less, which would equal to approximately £2m not a lot but still). Being in the CL group stage next year would have automaticcaly granted us €12m (£8m). For a win in the group stage, the money would be €1,5m — the draw €0,5m. There is always a bully team so even if it's a bad season, we can at least think of a one win and one draw : €2m (£1,5m). It could mean a €14m (£9,5m) loss.

Say, we keep our current position in the league and miss out the CL next year. That would equate to more or less a £30m loss. Had the board acted quickly, we would have potentially been able to almost compensate his sacking by salvaging what is to salvage. Well, even if we do compensate the fee, £40m will still be lost. Though, it is better to compensate it (-£10m) than to add it (-£70m).

Even if the numbers I found are flawed, staying in the current situation is to potentially lose a lot of money anyway. It might save us a few millions in the short term. But it is candle-end economy and might be proved very costly in the medium term. The question is eventually whether would we like : a few millions today or tomorrow... In any cases, we will lose a lot of money, so it cannot, and should not, be invoked as the ultimate reason.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Mourinho on players: "Some of them need to rethink how the way they live Chelsea, they live football, they live their job." #CFC (ChelseaTV)

Mourinho: Chelsea is big, football is more than a job, it's a passion. Every match on the pitch you should live with an unbelievable passion

Mourinho on #CFC players: How many millions would love to be football players & they can't be? You shouldn't waste any minutes on the pitch.

Mourinho: "Yes, I feel frustrated with some players and I feel that some others they give absolutely everything." #CFC (ChelseaTV)

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Despite the denial of #CFC, the hypothesis of an involvement of Shevchenko at the club, at managerial level is very real. (via @DiMarzio)

Always on good terms with Abramovich, former striker Shevchenko seems to have become his confidant and possible manager (via @DiMarzio) #CFC

Going to watch #CFC games, close to Abramovich. At the time Shevchenko's role has not been defined but his presence is there (via @DiMarzio)

In addition, the name of Marcello Lippi as a possible replacement was brought forward by Shevchenko together with Abramovich (via @DiMarzio)

The club denies, but the situation is: Shevchenko could return to #CFC. No longer as a player but in the ranks of management (via @DiMarzio)

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Despite the denial of #CFC, the hypothesis of an involvement of Shevchenko at the club, at managerial level is very real. (via @DiMarzio)

Always on good terms with Abramovich, former striker Shevchenko seems to have become his confidant and possible manager (via @DiMarzio) #CFC

Going to watch #CFC games, close to Abramovich. At the time Shevchenko's role has not been defined but his presence is there (via @DiMarzio)

In addition, the name of Marcello Lippi as a possible replacement was brought forward by Shevchenko together with Abramovich (via @DiMarzio)

The club denies, but the situation is: Shevchenko could return to #CFC. No longer as a player but in the ranks of management (via @DiMarzio)

#CFC say the position over Mourinho has not changed, he remains their manager, but that can change with one phone call from Roman (Guardian)

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

So by that logic last season was all players as well? You can't give Mourinho any credit for last season if you don't give him blame for this. For all the brilliant points brought up in this topic, I can't believe there are still people who don't see any fault in Jose.

No, it's saying that you cannot possibly give Mourinho the whole blame when a champion team can't strong passes together.

[manpe 10,861]

Mourinho on players: "Some of them need to rethink how the way they live Chelsea, they live football, they live their job." #CFC (ChelseaTV)

Mourinho: Chelsea is big, football is more than a job, it's a passion. Every match on the pitch you should live with an unbelievable passion

Mourinho on #CFC players: How many millions would love to be football players & they can't be? You shouldn't waste any minutes on the pitch.

Mourinho: "Yes, I feel frustrated with some players and I feel that some others they give absolutely everything." #CFC (ChelseaTV)

No word on his tactical and line-up decisions, no? Didn't think so.

[Peace. 4,352]

A £40m contract without any insurance to break it at a lesser cost, I do not believe in it. We are talking about Abramovitch for Christ's sake. A Russian billionaire oligarch that has to deal with people of Poutine's standard. And the rest seems to be a bunch of top-flight businessmen that have to create every day new astuces to not pay any taxes. There is no way that a football coach can fool them in such a department. But if it is truly the case, he Madoff-ed 'em.

[edetarod 2,155]

I want a threesome with Jennifer Lawrence and Alison Brie.

Neither are happening, unfortunately.

FFS why is Lawrence so overrated

[herzogian 148]

FFS why is Lawrence so overrated

De gustibus non est disputandum. I think she's quite the looker.

And Mourinho should go, obviously...

[Pizy 18,953]

A £40m contract without any insurance to break it at a lesser cost, I do not believe in it. We are talking about Abramovitch for Christ's sake. A Russian billionaire oligarch that has to deal with people of Poutine's standard. And the rest seems to be a bunch of top-flight businessmen that have to create every day new astuces to not pay any taxes. There is no way that a football coach can fool them in such a department. But if it is truly the case, he Madoff-ed 'em.

Like everyone else, he probably thought it was impossible that we could be in this situation. The thought of sacking José less than a year after winning the title was inconceivable. Wouldn't be totally shocked if there was no clause because he never could've imagined this happening.

[Namika 922]

Am I crazy if i'm still behind him ?

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Would be a very interesting option tbh. I really like how Koeman sets his team up.

True. He'd give the youth a go to, apart from the fact that his philosophy is new and fresh. Grab him from the Saints like the Spurs did to Pochetinno. I love the way he works with the team, I remember being in a session conducted by one of his coaching staff and he's really well organized in terms of attacking drills and so on that so many complain about Jose's staff just not being good at.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Am I crazy if i'm still behind him ?

Yeah :)

The only time it's now acceptable to be behind him is next to a cliff and then pushing him gently over is also allowed

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Am I crazy if i'm still behind him ?

Nah a lot of people are, which is a good sign too, nothing bad to be ashamed about.