The Mourinho Thread

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

Ancelloti

So, tell us why would you prefer Ancelotti over Mourinho, with some sort of explanation to your choice, not just your usual ridiculing other members of the forum who happen to disagree with you.

Please do, i'm yet to see that.

[zolayes 14,489]

Faux. Mourinho completely Built Porto FC from scratch and won them the Champions League, plus 2 Portuguese titles. Same thing can be said about his Inter side. At least Mourinho did not finish 7th in any of his seasons. Anyways, I'm not discrediting Klopp but at this current juncture, Mourinho is still our best possible manager to take us forward.

well if he cant take us forward from our current position then we really are in the shit, btw do you mean he built a complete Porto team in the short time he was there ,

and he built the Inter side as well ... I DO know he didnt build the first team he had at Chelsea ,, Ranieri did that

[blues.bridge 343]

Faux. Mourinho completely Built Porto FC from scratch and won them the Champions League, plus 2 Portuguese titles. Same thing can be said about his Inter side. At least Mourinho did not finish 7th in any of his seasons. Anyways, I'm not discrediting Klopp but at this current juncture, Mourinho is still our best possible manager to take us forward.

mou yes, has built porto, but 13-14 years ago... the football is changed

[zolayes 14,489]

So, tell us why would you prefer Ancelotti over Mourinho, with some sort of explanation to your choice, not just your usual ridiculing other members of the forum who happen to disagree with you.

Please do, i'm yet to see that.

In the short time he was with us he won the League and Cup double ,, Without googling I think that has only been achieved by about 5 clubs i about 130 years ,

he encouraged youth ,, Wad more willing to give them genuine chances . Was able to both win and lose with grace . Made the Club less hated .

Was respectful to interviewers . That is a start.

[Billy. 2,742]

In the short time he was with us he won the League and Cup double ,, Without googling I think that has only been achieved by about 5 clubs i about 130 years ,

he encouraged youth ,, Wad more willing to give them genuine chances . Was able to both win and lose with grace . Made the Club less hated .

Was respectful to interviewers . That is a start.

Spot on. I was gutted when he was sacked.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

In the short time he was with us he won the League and Cup double ,, Without googling I think that has only been achieved by about 5 clubs i about 130 years ,

he encouraged youth ,, Wad more willing to give them genuine chances . Was able to both win and lose with grace . Made the Club less hated .

Was respectful to interviewers . That is a start.

Do you know however of Ancelotti record in a league?

In the 2010/11 season he went 6 matches without winning a single game, he's incredibly slow at understanding what the real problem is with a team in crisis (while José has been slow up until now he's slowly making changes) he's a tactically overrated manager and he's the last manager that should be around a team in bad form.

Ancelotti is only good when a team is built for him by his predecessor, you say he encouraged youth? Please...he's more stubborn than Mourinho in playing 28 years old players. And i've probably seen more of his teams than you ever did, so take it from me, he's not the right one for us.

But hey, he's a nice guy and reveals the first XI in the PC, so everything is fine.

[zolayes 14,489]

Do you know however of Ancelotti record in a league?

In the 2010/11 season he went 6 matches without winning a single game, he's incredibly slow at understanding what the real problem is with a team in crisis (while José has been slow up until now he's slowly making changes) he's a tactically overrated manager and he's the last manager that should be around a team in bad form.

Ancelotti is only good when a team is built for him by his predecessor, you say he encouraged youth? Please...he's more stubborn than Mourinho in playing 28 years old players. And i've probably seen more of his teams than you ever did, so take it from me, he's not the right one for us.

But hey, he's a nice guy and reveals the first XI in the PC, so everything is fine.

Player Roma

• Serie A: 1982–83
• Coppa Italia (4): 1979–80, 1980–81, 1983–84, 1985–86
• European Cup: Runners-up 1983–84

Milan

• European Cup: 1988–89, 1989–90
• UEFA Super Cup: 1989, 1990
• Serie A: 1987–88, 1991–92
• Supercoppa Italiana: 1988
• Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990

International

• FIFA World Cup Bronze Medal: 1990

Manager

Ancelotti won the UEFA Champions League twice as Milan manager

Juventus (1999–2001)

• UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999

Milan (2001–2009)

• UEFA Champions League: 2002–03, 2006–07
• UEFA Super Cup: 2003, 2007
• FIFA Club World Cup: 2007
• Serie A: 2003–04
• Coppa Italia: 2002–03
• Supercoppa Italiana: 2004

Chelsea (2009–2011)

• Premier League: 2009–10
• FA Cup: 2009–10
• FA Community Shield: 2009

Paris Saint-Germain (2011–2013)

• Ligue 1: 2012–13

Real Madrid (2013–2015)

• UEFA Champions League: 2013–14
• UEFA Super Cup: 2014
• FIFA Club World Cup: 2014
• Copa del Rey: 2013–14

Individual

• Serie A Coach of the Year: 2001, 2004
• Panchina d'Oro: 2002–03, 2003–04
• Ligue 1 Manager of the Year: 2012–13
• Premier League Manager of the Month: November 2009, August 2010, March 2011, April 2011
• La Liga Manager of the Month: October 2014
• UEFA Manager of the Year: 2002–03
• IFFHS World's Best Club Coach: 2007, 2014
• World Soccer Magazine Manager of the Year: 2003
• Globe Soccer Awards Best Coach of the Year: 2014
• FIFA World Coach of the Year (Runner-up): 2014^[51]
• Italian Football Hall of Fame: 2014^[39]
• A.S. Roma Hall of Fame: 2014^[52]
• A.C. Milan Hall of Fame^[53]

Orders

[zolayes 14,489]

quite impressive .. also one of only 2 men to have won the CL 3 times

[Billy. 2,742]

Do you know however of Ancelotti record in a league?

In the 2010/11 season he went 6 matches without winning a single game, he's incredibly slow at understanding what the real problem is with a team in crisis (while José has been slow up until now he's slowly making changes) he's a tactically overrated manager and he's the last manager that should be around a team in bad form.

Ancelotti is only good when a team is built for him by his predecessor, you say he encouraged youth? Please...he's more stubborn than Mourinho in playing 28 years old players. And i've probably seen more of his teams than you ever did, so take it from me, he's not the right one for us.

But hey, he's a nice guy and reveals the first XI in the PC, so everything is fine.

TBF Jose is doing fuck all to fix our issues at the moment, and one of the big ones is his ego

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

So in his managerial career he won:
1 serie A in 8 seasons.
1 Pl in 2 seasons

1 League 1

3 UCL

That's a poor league record.
He's a good cup manager though. Also, why don't you answer me with a proper comment or something meaningful, posting his player and managerial trophies makes little sense, i could post Mourinho's trophies as well.

@Billy. While i think he's doing it really slowly he's doing some changes, JT being benched is one of them, young players are getting more minutes, still not good enough of course, but something is there.

[Amblève. 4,995]

Few thoughts...

1. Most people shudder at the thought of bringing in an AVB-esque coach but I'd be all for it if we sacked Mourinho. The major part of AVB's failure was the dressing room; now, with almost everyone from the old guard gone, I'd love us to hire a young coach who has yet to prove himself at a big club. We have a lot of young players in the current squad and to me it feels like we need someone who can grow with that group of players. No more old men teaching the young guys with their experience, get someone who is willing to learn and knows how this generation's brains work.

2. If we proceeded to fire Mourinho you have to go full measure and get rid of Ivanovic. Anyone who's been visiting Brane's thread last season knows that I was one of the few who defended him more often than not but even I can't find any words for Brane's clusterfuck of a season so far. It's clear Ivanovic has a high standing in the squad so benching him all of a sudden won't do the team climate any good. Group dynamics don't work like that. Sell him and give the reigns of leadership over to the new generation. There will never be new leaders as long as the current senior players are leading the rest of the team straight into Mordor.

3. While we're at it, get that fucking Gooner out. Just kidding, just kidding. Or not?! Seriously, if the plan is to keep Fabregas as a starter then at least play a system that won't expose him as badly as is happing currently. Fabregas is probably even getting run past on his way to the supermarket in these days.

4. Going to use the same phrase as before: go full measure when buying players. Either you buy world-class talent or you lose ground. Simple as that. If you don't believe that a player is good enough to start for a top team right now or doesn't have the potential to do so in a year don't buy him. It's okay to have 3 or 4 players in the team that just scream rotational players but that's about it IMO. You need a few of these players because no matter how good your squad rotation is having 7 world-class players constantly on the bench will never work (egos, ambition, NT importance etc). However, and I'm being repititive now, every top club manages having 2 or 3 world-class players on the bench, I don't see why we should have to be the exception. Eventually, injuries kick in and you need a couple of players whose performances will be on par with those they are replacing. There's no reason to settle for anything less than having the best squad.

5. Mentality change regarding spending money on players, please! I don't want anything to do with penny-pinching over 10m or something and then claiming a victory that we didn't spend "a crazy sum" on a player. These are nothing more than moral victories, for which Wenger and Rodgers are constantly being laughed at by dozens of people on this forum and Chelsea fans in general. If people are so concerned about being financially stable then why not think one step further and consider that winning usually equals making higher profits. I'd rather take my chances and invest confidently to win as many titles as possible every season than pay little money because we can save 10 or 20m by doing so.

According to the UEFA ranking we're the 4th best team in Europe. Again, there's no reason to settle for being second place. The ambition should always be being the #1 and big transfers play a huge part in achieving that goal nowadays. There should be no pride in being 2nd best considering the status of Chelsea Football Club.

[Henrique 9,133]

Sacking Jose now might be a bad idea. To other side, I have no doubt the club made a HUGE mistake giving him that contract extention. For em its clear people running the club don't know what they are doing. Real Madrid did the same thing with Jose, gave hime a contract extension after 2 seasons, only to sack him 10 months later.

[bluesman2610 1,341]

I heard Klopp wants a PL move

Will always respect Mourinho for what he brought in both spells, but his tactical decisions are killing us this season. Our best football has been played with 3 in midfield and/or Ivanovic on the bench. He can not be that blind and pig headed that seeing the way he sets up the team is setting us up to lose.. I Love Mourinho but I LOVE Chelsea more

[LAM09 6,744]

I heard Klopp wants a PL move

Will always respect Mourinho for what he brought in both spells, but his tactical decisions are killing us this season. Our best football has been played with 3 in midfield and/or Ivanovic on the bench. He can not be that blind and pig headed that seeing the way he sets up the team is setting us up to lose.. I Love Mourinho but I LOVE Chelsea more

Klopp has only done it at one club. Don't think he's ready for the top just yet. Liverpool would be a more suitable option.

[Blue Gino 377]

Leave Jose alone he works with the players the board gives him. He'd have galacticos everywhere if you let him pick in the transfer market. He's giving young players chances but he's gotta balance the locker room with all those veterans. He can't just give 3 or 4 of them the Malouda treatment and have them manning a radio tower in Siberia.

[Reddish-Blue 2,345]

Few thoughts...

1. Most people shudder at the thought of bringing in an AVB-esque coach but I'd be all for it if we sacked Mourinho. The major part of AVB's failure was the dressing room; now, with almost everyone from the old guard gone, I'd love us to hire a young coach who has yet to prove himself at a big club. We have a lot of young players in the current squad and to me it feels like we need someone who can grow with that group of players. No more old men teaching the young guys with their experience, get someone who is willing to learn and knows how this generation's brains work.

2. If we proceeded to fire Mourinho you have to go full measure and get rid of Ivanovic. Anyone who's been visiting Brane's thread last season knows that I was one of the few who defended him more often than not but even I can't find any words for Brane's clusterfuck of a season so far. It's clear Ivanovic has a high standing in the squad so benching him all of a sudden won't do the team climate any good. Group dynamics don't work like that. Sell him and give the reigns of leadership over to the new generation. There will never be new leaders as long as the current senior players are leading the rest of the team straight into Mordor.

Hiring a young unproven coach may sound great in theory...but in reality, they would most likely fail to deal with the pressures associated with managing a club like Chelsea

It's not just about growing with the players...you need a certain personality and mentality to coach the big clubs and from what I've seen...there aren't that many quality young coaches available (aside from Klopp, Simeone)

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Sometimes I just can't understand some of his decisions...

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

We're toothless upfront and that's what is going to cost us in the end. Mourinho is a one dimensional coach that can't teach the team how to play in the final third and the most frustrating thing is his stubbornness to bring in an attacking coach. Fergie had the exact same problem, but at least he realized this and brought Meulensteen to his coaching staff.

With all the world class forwards we have, we're still dreadful in the final third. Take all the matches this season, bar the WBA one - we've only scored from set pieces and long shots. That's depressing for a team of Chelsea's calibre.

You simply can not go to a place like St James's Park and start the game the way Chelsea did yesterday. They're a shower of shite beaten by Watford and Sheffield Wednesday's reserves at their place in the space of one week and we're still clueless and start playing football only after we're 2-0 down. Depressing stuff.