The Mourinho Thread

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Why He Was Sacked From Chelsea?

We were playing poorly and he was fighting with Roman all the time.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

We were playing poorly and he was fighting with Roman all the time.

As i thought.... what a mistake.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Why He Was Sacked From Chelsea?

Add to what Toronto said the fact he did not wanted Sheva.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

He was rumoured to be getting the sack in January for the same reason.Remeber being at the game,singing his name a lot and watching the interview after with him getting questioned about his future and him looking sad.

Looking at the fixtures from that season we'd only played 7 games...lost 1..drew 3 and then loosing the CS on pens...still a bit crazy...

And this is the issue with Torres no doubt..bench him risk ya job...though guess dont bench him risk your job so cant win..

[Rupert 130]

Basically just saying he's not just another manager amongst managers, he's bigger or more important than a normal manager.

Actually he is physically smaller than the average manager, but his head is bigger. He appeals to the less intelligent fan who also likes soap operas. His method is to politic for a job at a very rich club which has just bought and will buy again practically a whole team of exceptional players. He then convinces the players he is one of them (although he never played professionally but most players are pretty thick) and he encourages them to oppose the ownership. He then wins a trophy or two, picks a fight with the owners as an excuse to get a big pay-off and then buggers off to the next rich club leaving his former club drained. He never develops or introduces young talent. It's not about the club, it's about him, not the club's future, his future. When he was at Chelsea he was already politicking for the Man Utd job and still is.

[zolayes 14,489]

rupert is so intelligent but still cant tell his arse from his elbow

[The only place to be 11,313]

Whilst I don't agree with everything with Rupert says, I do think people who want Jose to return need to ask themselves why.

Do they think he'll stick around for more than 3 years? Do they think he'll start this conveyor belt of youth talent that everyone else at the club is aiming for?

Are we looking for a short-term fixed based on massive expenditure that puts us in a hole or do we want something sustainable?

Ultimately do some people like the idea of going back to 2005 rather than the reality of having Mourinho as manager in 2013, where FFP and soft wage caps might be the norm?

[Jase 43,479]

Whilst I don't agree with everything with Rupert says, I do think people who want Jose to return need to ask themselves why.

Do they think he'll stick around for more than 3 years? Do they think he'll start this conveyor belt of youth talent that everyone else at the club is aiming for?

Are we looking for a short-term fixed based on massive expenditure that puts us in a hole or do we want something sustainable?

Ultimately do some people like the idea of going back to 2005 rather than the reality of having Mourinho as manager in 2013, where FFP and soft wage caps might be the norm?

Mourinho has said he wants to return to England because it's where he belongs. He has already won league titles in Italy and Spain, which he targeted long time ago. He's only 49 y/o this year and apart from maybe the Bundesliga, I can't see where else he would manage say for the next 10 years or so. He did say he wants to manage the Portugal NT but rejected the idea now because he's still young and you'll only play like 1-2 matches every 3-4 months, which is dull for him at his age now. Can't see it happen till he past 60 y/o. Furthermore, surely someone as smart as Mourinho himself, he would realize that he needs to settle down in one place and create some sort of dynasty at a club. He wouldn't want to be as nomadic as he has been.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

And in his doc he said he wanted to win the CL league with an English club to...but seems more likely to be a Manchester one

[Rupert 130]

Mourinho has said he wants to return to England because it's where he belongs. He has already won league titles in Italy and Spain, which he targeted long time ago. He's only 49 y/o this year and apart from maybe the Bundesliga, I can't see where else he would manage say for the next 10 years or so. He did say he wants to manage the Portugal NT but rejected the idea now because he's still young and you'll only play like 1-2 matches every 3-4 months, which is dull for him at his age now. Can't see it happen till he past 60 y/o. Furthermore, surely someone as smart as Mourinho himself, he would realize that he needs to settle down in one place and create some sort of dynasty at a club. He wouldn't want to be as nomadic as he has been.

Of course he says he wants to settle down and create a dynasty - he knows that what his future employer wants to hear. He also knows that salary caps and budget restrictions are coming. But saying it and doing it are quite different. He is deeply disliked in Spain where he is considered to have brought an ugly kind of behavior to Real Madrid and the La Liga, He is disliked by most British football fans even though some nouveau riche owners might be attracted to his record. He won't get the Manchester United job - because they understand his limitations. He says there is one job he won't take in the UK but won't mention it - it is assumed to be LFC who rejected his application when he left Porto in favour of Rafa. His best bet is any team with new rich owners who are influenced by media - but even those types of clubs are now hiring experienced Directors who are increasingly critical of his overall effect on a club. Also he is getting old and his so-called "charm" is beginning to wear thin.

[Jase 43,479]

Of course he says he wants to settle down and create a dynasty - he knows that what his future employer wants to hear. He also knows that salary caps and budget restrictions are coming. But saying it and doing it are quite different. He is deeply disliked in Spain where he is considered to have brought an ugly kind of behavior to Real Madrid and the La Liga, He is disliked by most British football fans even though some nouveau riche owners might be attracted to his record. He won't get the Manchester United job - because they understand his limitations. He says there is one job he won't take in the UK but won't mention it - it is assumed to be LFC who rejected his application when he left Porto in favour of Rafa. His best bet is any team with new rich owners who are influenced by media - but even those types of clubs are now hiring experienced Directors who are increasingly critical of his overall effect on a club. Also he is getting old and his so-called "charm" is beginning to wear thin.

I never said he said he wants to settle down and create a dynasty at one club. Was making the point that Mourinho has won the trophies elsewhere that he has targeted and given that he desperately wants to return to England, can see him seeing staying at that one English club for a long period.

[MHL 47 378]

Of course he says he wants to settle down and create a dynasty - he knows that what his future employer wants to hear. He also knows that salary caps and budget restrictions are coming. But saying it and doing it are quite different. He is deeply disliked in Spain where he is considered to have brought an ugly kind of behavior to Real Madrid and the La Liga, He is disliked by most British football fans even though some nouveau riche owners might be attracted to his record. He won't get the Manchester United job - because they understand his limitations. He says there is one job he won't take in the UK but won't mention it - it is assumed to be LFC who rejected his application when he left Porto in favour of Rafa. His best bet is any team with new rich owners who are influenced by media - but even those types of clubs are now hiring experienced Directors who are increasingly critical of his overall effect on a club. Also he is getting old and his so-called "charm" is beginning to wear thin.

"Disliked in Spain" - Probably because he is Portuguese and the Spanish are renown for their Xenophobic nature, he took the league title off the self proclaimed 'not just a football club' and 'best team in the world', and doesn't let the Spanish nationals rule the club the way previous occupants of the role have done.

"Limitations" - Are you referring to limitations such as winning 7 league championships in 4 different countries or perhaps the Champions League with 2 clubs, or the knock out cup Competitions in each of the four countries he's managed in. I'd dearly love to have a Manager with those 'limitations' right now, you're putting your money on RB, a fella who wrecked that red mob by trying to get Gareth Barry in place of Xabi Alonso, now if you want to discuss limitations let's start closer to home right now with RB.

Directors of Football - The most successful clubs of recent years (the last 20 years) in the Premier League haven't had Director of Football anywhere near them, they're part of an overrated continental model of running a club. Name me one good and successful one in the UK. Of course they don't want him near them, he'll have them out of their cosy, highly paid, responsible for next to nothing jobs in a moment.

[Rupert 130]

You must be talking about Rafa. He's the only manager to stand up to and effectively cause the removal of owners and directors who were destroying his club. He is also the only manager to stand up to Ferguson and his Mafia in the Premierle League and Media. . Mourinho kisses asses to get a job, and keeps kissing until he is well into the job when he picks a fight with the owner and runs away with a big pay-off. Name me one director or owner Mourinho has "got rid of". .

I've already mentioned his limitations: 1. Failure to manage within a normal budget 2. Failure to manage average talents 3. Failure to find and develop´and play young talent 4. Restricted range of tactics - relying mainly on heavy defence. 5. Emphasis on self - "the my team" complex which frankly sounds a bit ridiculous from a guy who has never played professorial football.. 6. Waspish tongue which takes a club into the gutter and causes adverse reactions - and, in general petty,jealous disposition which affects the players and damages the image of the club. 7. His emotional manner of "bonding" with players and his abrupt dismissal of any who don't want to "bond" with him.

His trophies are to be expected considering he only takes on jobs where the owners have recently spent a hundred million or more and prepared to spend more for him and where previous managers, like Ranieri at Chelsea, have developed a fine team for him to takeover.

The idea of such a person building a dynasty is laughable.

Disliked in Spain" - Probably because he is Portuguese and the Spanish are renown for their Xenophobic nature, he took the league title off the self proclaimed 'not just a football club' and 'best team in the world', and doesn't let the Spanish nationals rule the club the way previous occupants of the role have done.

"Limitations" - Are you referring to limitations such as winning 7 league championships in 4 different countries or perhaps the Champions League with 2 clubs, or the knock out cup Competitions in each of the four countries he's managed in. I'd dearly love to have a Manager with those 'limitations' right now, you're putting your money on RB, a fella who wrecked that red mob by trying to get Gareth Barry in place of Xabi Alonso, now if you want to discuss limitations let's start closer to home right now with RB.

Directors of Football - The most successful clubs of recent years (the last 20 years) in the Premier League haven't had Director of Football anywhere near them, they're part of an overrated continental model of running a club. Name me one good and successful one in the UK. Of course they don't want him near them, he'll have them out of their cosy, highly paid, responsible for next to nothing jobs in a moment.

[Rupert 130]

You must be talking about Rafa. He's the only manager to stand up to and effectively cause the removal of owners and directors who were destroying his club. He is also the only manager to stand up to Ferguson and his Mafia in the Premierle League and Media. . Mourinho kisses asses to get a job, and keeps kissing until he is well into the job when he picks a fight with the owner and runs away with a big pay-off. Name me one director or owner Mourinho has "got rid of". .

I've already mentioned his limitations: 1. Failure to manage within a normal budget 2. Failure to manage average talents 3. Failure to find and develop´and play young talent 4. Restricted range of tactics - relying mainly on heavy defence. 5. Emphasis on self - "the my team" complex which frankly sounds a bit ridiculous from a guy who has never played professorial football.. 6. Waspish tongue which takes a club into the gutter and causes adverse reactions - and, in general petty,jealous disposition which affects the players and damages the image of the club. 7. His emotional manner of "bonding" with players and his abrupt dismissal of any who don't want to "bond" with him.

His trophies are to be expected considering he only takes on jobs where the owners have recently spent a hundred million or more and prepared to spend more for him and where previous managers, like Ranieri at Chelsea, have developed a fine team for him to takeover.

The idea of such a person building a dynasty is laughable.

Disliked in Spain" - Probably because he is Portuguese and the Spanish are renown for their Xenophobic nature, he took the league title off the self proclaimed 'not just a football club' and 'best team in the world', and doesn't let the Spanish nationals rule the club the way previous occupants of the role have done.

You cite Spanish Xenophobia - is that a bit like calling someone " a fat Spanish waiter". ??

[MHL 47 378]

You cite Spanish Xenophobia - is that a bit like calling someone " a fat Spanish waiter". ??

No, I'd say that suggests people think he could do with losing some timber, he's Spanish - fact, and he bears a bit of a resemblance to a certain Spanish waiter.

To your previous post, your tactic of ask another question to a question just doesn't cut it, you can't answer the original question and you know you can't. The thing is and unlike yourself I can usually back up comments I make, Jose ousting a DofF, try Jorge Valdano at Real Madrid.

Your opinions are your own conjecture and have no factual basis and as such are fairly meaningless, unlike Jose's achievements. They must cut like a knife to you, especially given your liking for RB.

You keep prattling on about 'a dynasty', it's clear that long-term for us now is 3 years+ and thus far since RA has owned the club we've been the most successful English club. You seriously think that'll change, even if PG gets the gig? If its a 'dynasty' you're dreaming of, there's more that needs to change at the club than just a manager.