The Mourinho Thread

[didierforever 7,349]

Criticising mourinho or chelsea is the shortest path to getting attention. Jamie redknapp has shown many how it's done...if u want to be a sky pundit or want the media to publish any trash u spit out...then all you need to do, is criticise mourinho and chelsea. Just say mourinho is a negative manager and that u would have won the league by christmas, if u had the chelsea team at your disposal.

[The Skipper 20,609]

As for Jose's tactics, I've consistently said we don't have a striker who is a good enough and that it's unfair to fully appraise Jose's tactical astuteness before he's had a chance to build HIS team. That requires patience and perspective. Some people need to remind themselves that we're still paying about £15 million per season for Torres.

What the hell are you on about? Pretending that I don't know that. Moving the goalposts to suit your argument to make the bullshit you sprouted earlier seem justified. You know that I've consistently said myself that we're still a few players away from a complete team, i.e. a good attacking left back, a creative CM, and a striker. I've been saying that for months. We've had plenty of discussions about that.

That still doesn't mean that Mourinho's been perfect given his resources, especially in recent weeks where we've lost again Aston Villa, Sunderland and Crystal Palace and drawing against Norwich yesterday. Surely even you have to admit that we have enough talent to beat those teams. Of course he and the team are going to be criticised for that, you'd have to be naive to think he doesn't have any sort of responsibility on those results. Losing against those sides are bound to make you question the approach the manager is taking.

Yeah, we're a few players away from truly playing as well as we we're capable of but that doesn't mean that he could'nt have implemented better approaches in those games. So I think some of the criticism of him have been fair yet some on here like you and didierforever will any criticism of that sort and automatically think that you're downgrading Mourinho as a manager or slating the club which is absolutely ridiculous and mindless.

So you're criticising the guy now because you might not be able to next year when we win the league?

See that sounds like a lot of hard work. I'd just wait, remain positive and look forward to buying a commemorative mug in 12 months time or something. But I'm a cup half full kinda guy.

Stop acting like all I've done is criticise Mourinho. I've praised him when praise is due, likewise how I've criticised him when criticism is due. If it was any other manager I would've done the same thing. Criticising what any manager or any player has done in a couple of games does not equate to me believing we're not going to win the league next year or me not being patient and wanting him out.

I'm obviously hoping that those are aspects that he and the team improves on next year. It's that simple.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

[The Skipper 20,609]

certain aspects???!!!!

also do u even read what lionsden and the excalibur guy and henrique post.

yesterday one of them even said wenger has been more successful

They all have their opinions. So what if they don't fancy Mourinho as a manager? Doesn't mean that they don't support the club or that they don't believe we can win anything next year.

also how is it stupid. you and styles might not be as bad but considering the lengths those 3 specifically go to slate jose and the team is unbelievable. constantly bringing up other managers (like carlo dint have a trophyless season with a far more balanced team). so why not put your money where your mouth is?

It's stupid because you're saying that anyone that criticises Mourinho for what he's done in certain aspects this season (funny, that would include TOPTB too since he criticised Mourinho about the Lukaku loan earlier in the season - what a conundrum) is backing us not to win the title next season. Again, read that out loud and realise how stupid it sounds.

[The Skipper 20,609]

[i'm not a Mourinho worshipper] x4

[Mourinho is not always right] x7

[Mourinho is not god] x5

And these are the same people saying they don't follow the... 'flock'.

[Oh look I'm such a hipster] x99

[The only place to be 11,313]

That still doesn't mean that Mourinho's been perfect given his resources, especially in recent weeks where we've lost again Aston Villa, Sunderland and Crystal Palace and drawing against Norwich yesterday. Surely even you have to admit that we have enough talent to beat those teams. Of course he and the team are going to be criticised for that, you'd have to be naive to think he doesn't have any sort of responsibility on those results. Losing against those sides are bound to make you question the approach the manager is taking.

I have this ability to balance those losses alongside other factors, like the clear holes in our squad. I can look at those games and then look at the performances against the likes of City, Liverpool, Arsenal and PSG. This was always going to be a transition season so you're always going to get results like that. This is when you have to trust the guy in charge and not keep banging on about how we struggle to break down packed defences.

Packed defences are hard to score goals against. That's why teams who don't want to concede goals employ that tactic. There's no magical way through them, but you at least need a good striker to have a chance - we don't.

The team who scored 96 goals in the league and have one of the best strikers in world football struggled as well.

Stop acting like all I've done is criticise Mourinho.

To be fair you don't. Like I've said, lionsden and Excalibur are the prime examples of that.

I just find it a little tedious that some people bang on about us struggling to create chances when they've had it explained to them that the problem is clearly the lack of a striker. That might sound simplistic but it's a massive hole in our team and one not really down to Jose.

[dee25 1,044]

I've said I've criticised him, but I don't bang on about it over and over and over and over again. People like lionsden and Mr excalibur can't wait to jump on a bad performance but stay quite as a mouse under their rocks when we actually do well. I've been accused in a slightly snidey, roundabout way by dee of calling them plastic supporters when the truth is I don't recall seeing them support the team.

You know......it's one thing to be a hypocrite, it's even more pitiful to be a hypocrite on a moral high ground. You lost every bit of credibility to me the moment you started bashing members for something you, my brotha, routinely did for a period of time.

December 8th, shortly after Everton played Arsenal at Emirates, you constantly were slating Mourinho, not so dissimilarly from the way a few on here have - a few that you're now trying vilify and malign. And it wasn't just a one-off comment either, you did it routinely for a period of time. The difference is that no one persecuted you. No one called you fickle. No called you a glory hunter. No one questioned you allegiances as a supporter.

Let's be real here, we both know this has nothing to do with Mourinho or any benevolent intention to defend his managerial integrity. This is about your own deluded sense of superiority and you just being a frustrated internet forum member on a self-aggrandizing power trip. So please my friend, save your phoney outrage.

[The only place to be 11,313]

(funny, that would include TOPTB too since he criticised Mourinho about the Lukaku loan earlier in the season - what a conundrum) is backing us not to win the title next season. Again, read that out loud and realise how stupid it sounds.

Measured criticism. You understand that right?

For years fans have moaned about the lack of stability and wanting the club to be patient with the right manager, and then when it actually comes time to do that people start questioning him. This is when support actually matters. This is when a bit of faith is actually needed. Not the relentless criticism and 'why can't we break down packed defences' shit, the recriminations about selling Mata (who is just lighting up Old Trafford) and the same old lamentations.

You know......it's one thing to be a hypocrite, it's even more pitiful to be a hypocrite on a moral high ground. You lost every bit of credibility to me the moment you started bashing members for something you, my brotha, routinely did for a period of time.

December 8th, shortly after Everton played Arsenal at Emirates, you constantly were slating Mourinho, not so dissimilarly from the way a few have - a few that you're now trying vilify and malign. And it wasn't just a one-off comment either, you did it routinely for a period of time. The difference is that no one persecuted you. No one called you fickle. No called you a glory hunter. No one questioned you allegiances as a supporter.

Oh no, I lost credibility to you. I think I'll survive.

As for me criticising Jose, I absolutely hold my hands up. I got frustrated with a few things and I did have reservations, but I'm happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong. I still think the Lukaku loan deal was the wrong choice but as the full story of that seems to be emerging I again think I was presumptuous.

Nice research there though love. One example clearly means I'm the same as lionsden and excalibur, who you so benevolently defended in no way simply to satiate whatever agenda you have on here.

[didierforever 7,349]

They all have their opinions. So what if they don't fancy Mourinho as a manager? Doesn't mean that they don't support the club or that they don't believe we can win anything next year.

It's stupid because you're saying that anyone that criticises Mourinho for what he's done in certain aspects this season (funny, that would include TOPTB too since he criticised Mourinho about the Lukaku loan earlier in the season - what a conundrum) is backing us not to win the title next season. Again, read that out loud and realise how stupid it sounds.

Mourinho would be the perfect Manager for italy and England NT.

Time to go back to inter and play as you like.

these are just a few masterpieces that i got 1 page after the game ended. if i delve further i am sure i ll get many more gems.

what baffles me is this, how are the people who are supporting the club, not supposting jose. this is his 2nd stint here which shows he has the full trust and belief of our owner and board. jose is still our manager despite being trophyless, which means we have accomplished all we set out to do in the season, remember carlo getting the sack after a trophlyless season!!!

he is not named as an interim manager. even in his first interview, he talked about long time stability. of having a base and an identity. so in short the club has given him the responsibility of taking us ahead for the foreseeable future.

also, there is a difference with questioning a decision that jose made and continously idioticly, slating him. posting articles from dailymail which slate him. what good are those? what do those posters mean to accomplish by posting that??!!! why are those posters ONLY posting when the club fails. i dont remember them doing it when we were 9 points ahead of city before the villa game. they may not be "backing" chelsea to fail, but they sure do derive a LOT of pleasure from our "failure". the best way to explain would be that these posters will actually want us to fail so that they can say "i told u so" and fulfil their anti-jose propaganda rather than have the team win.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Mou needs to start to improve his tactics... that's all.

He has all te rest.

[dee25 1,044]

Oh no, I lost credibility to you. I think I'll survive.

As for me criticising Jose, I absolutely hold my hands up. I got frustrated with a few things and I did have reservations, but I'm happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong. I still think the Lukaku loan deal was the wrong choice but as the full story of that seems to be emerging I again think I was presumptuous.

Nice research there though love. One example clearly means I'm the same as lionsden and excalibur, who you so benevolently defended in no way simply to satiate whatever agenda you have on here.

Research? None at all darling.

And likewise I'm sure the rest of us will live our lives just fine despite your almighty wrath & disapproval. It'll be hard, but the sun will come out and I'll learn to be happy again.

Enjoy the power trip. :tophat:

[The only place to be 11,313]

I just had a trawl back through the posts you mentioned there Dee. Took me a while to find what page December 8th was (about 525 apparently) so god knows how long you spent going through posts on here to find that or was it already written down in your notes?

I tell you what - we could've used that type of commitment on the pitch in the first-half. Fantastic workrate there fatal attraction.

Anyway, I was critical. I was frustrated and it's very easy to be lazy and impatient at those points and simply criticise the team. I was wrong and I'll hold my hands up. But you said I 'routinely' did it for a period of time. Here's what I actually posted on December 9th...

I still believe that Mourinho is the right guy for us and that we have to stick with him and give him total support, but I'll admit I'm concerned about the lack of consistency. It's not just him that I'm worried about, but everyone at the top of this club. I simply don't know what it is we're trying to do.

That was a tough moment for us and we were just building momentum and becoming the team Jose started to want us to be.

I also broke up my routine of bashing him to say this...

He's made mistakes but I still don't want anyone else in charge of us....I'm just impatient to see something taking shape. He just needs to get that one midfielder and I think the team will find some consistency. Maybe we are missing Oscar more than I thought because we looked like two seperate parts on Saturday (defence and attack), something that happened far too often last season.

So you can take a few posts made in anger and frustration and paint me out to be a serial moaner on the scale of lionsden and mr excalibur safe in the knowledge that there are very few members of this forum so tedious and stalkerish to actually fact-check your accusations but at least try and be measured in your criticism of me. Cheers deary.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Research? None at all darling.

Right....so you just happened to know that 200 pages ago I grew frustrated for maybe a day and had a pop at Jose, before actually calming down the next day and backing him.

Gotta say babe, I'm kinda blushing right now

Clearly that makes me a hypocrite for criticising people who constantly moan day in and day out....

[The Skipper 20,609]

Measured criticism. You understand that right?

Yes. Do you?

[dee25 1,044]

Money is key to our success. I wish it wasn't like that, but it is.

We need quality players in key positions and we're probably going to need to buy them. There's a reason there's a whole section dedicated to transfers on every single football forum.

So we shouldn't use young players and we shouldn't talk so much about money. Where are we getting these new players from then?

Is there a part of Stamford Bridge they we've all collectively forgotten about which contains world-class footballers. Would you like me to check in the toilet stalls next time I go, or maybe put up a few posters to raise awareness or this careless mistake?

Because you'll never win anything with kids (despite us having plenty of experience throughout the squad).

So from moaning about us talking about money and not relying on inexperienced youths, you actually concede that keeping a 19 year old striker who could cost up to £18 million 'is a plan'?

We should have gotten someone else....so in this case money was the key and we should've bought a new one?

The problem is that this 'new philosphy' isn't apparent on the pitch. In fact the new philosphy looks an awful lot like the old philosophy under Rafa with a few minor tweaks.

All this talk about eggs and he brings in a 32 year old Eto'o and lets Lukaku go. He says we are in trouble, then denies he said it.

The fact is we're incredibly lucky that the league is as weak as I can remember it being and our Champions League group was the easiest one. We've been lucky to get a point at home to West Brom and not see it go the way of the Stoke game.

The youth situation has actually regressed from last year as well. In so many facets Jose has underwhelmed, but he still needs time.