The Mourinho Thread

[Ossie the King 634]

Costa came back with a muffin top. As wee Pat said, if hed stuck in half the one on ones hed had with keepers we'd be talking about the top four. Substitute the lairy one with Lewandowski and we'd be in the top four.

That's something I've said about Hazard, but you're right that Costa came back a bit podgy too.

Maybe that's on Jose though. We started the season slow and you wonder what the hell we were playing at in pre-season.

And what does "movement" have to do with being able to build an attacking philosophy? Not much. Movement isn't going to break down a team playing low block for 90 minutes. And besides, movement is but only one facet of building an attacking philosophy like for instance, keeping the defensive line in building an organised defense.

That sorta reminds me of when someone is blagging a presentation so throws in buzzwords and technical terms.

I'm just going to run this up the flagpole, but you can look at any of his teams across the years and see patterns of attacking play that produce measurable results. The league has become more competitive though and you need to constantly improve your squad or you fall behind. We didn't do that and what's worse, the players we already have (except Willian) performed poorly.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Mate, have you put your hat in the ring for the job cause you seem to know your stuff. When did you get your pro license anyway?

Don't bother. His answers are the same every time and he ignores the main points.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Holland can say what he wants. It's all words if you can't show if Mourinho and his management staff can't show it on the pitch. We're the most turgid team to watch despite having a collection of the best attackers in the Premier league. So then what the hell are they "working on" exactly? Maybe he's just not good enough at "working on" it and that's one of the reasons he's no longer the manager.

Tell you what...ask Steve Holland next time you see him because unlike you I refuse to speculate on what does or does not happen behind closed doors at Cobham.

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

Holland can say what he wants. It's all words if you can't show if Mourinho and his management staff can't show it on the pitch. We're the most turgid team to watch despite having a collection of the best attackers in the Premier league. So then what the hell are they "working on" exactly? Maybe he's just not good enough at "working on" it and that's one of the reasons he's no longer the manager.

You sound like a fanatic. You've decided Mourinho is the problem then try and fit an argument around it. Where you let slip just how much is when you say 'if Mourinho and the management staff can't show it on the pitch'. I thought that was the players job?. Don't tell me, when the players struggle to string a few passes together that ........ shows how bad the manager is?

Maybe the players just don't care. How do you explain hazard's poor form? Is it his defensive work that's stopped him attempting to dribble?

[Kostas 1,468]

I thought you were the ALL seeing Oracle .. can't you see JT is off to Spurs in January ..mm seriously WELCOME BACK

Thanks! Can't say if it will be for too long this time around.

Must admit I was very surprised to see your vote in this thread's poll, especially given how you tended to support players/managers for a longer period than most, care to give me a quick rundown of your rationale?

[nullabletype 987]

Why, thank you.

Seriously though, you keep going on about how Mourinho can't coach offensive football when the fact of the matter is you have no idea how the training sessions play out.

What we do know though is that for a period last year we were playing good attacking football, so that would suggest he can do it. Coupled with the fact that this season José, as a manager who typically defends his squad, has openly questioned their lack of intensity and attention to tactical detail and even going as far as to question their passion on CTV. Meanwhile he, as ever, claims to always be looking toward the next win. He is serial winner and a man who absolutely hates to get beaten. So when I see the turgid performances you speak of, I'm more inclined to think it's coming from the 9-10 guys who look totally disinterested on pitch.

[Essien19 1,415]

Very sad news, but good to see that most of you don't lack class and wish him well. I was a bit surprised, i must say.

Now the pro-Mourinho group has done their all, the bigger group who thought it was better to part ways, they have to bring their shit now
I expect the likes of Loftus-Cheek, Baba, Traore, Kenedy, Aina, Musonda and so on to see more and more because their lack of playing time
was on Jose, right?

I read Mourinho cried after the sacking, very very upsetting. "One of us" wasn't just a phrase, imo.

We'll see how it goes long-term, i have decided to come back, because i think the dicussions won't be so one-sided anymore (no harm meant).

Hope no one has a problem with that, at some of you, i don't intend to open a bookstore.

@Zolayes looking forward to speaking with you, bring it, no more Jose around the house, can only get better?

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

I didn't want him sacked.

Anyone that takes a team from champions to near the relegation zone is going to be sacked at most clubs.

Players used to love playing for him. I didn't see that at Madrid or his second spell here.

I don't know what went wrong here.

He has nothing to prove in football, maybe staying long term or promoting youth.

I'm sure he won't feel so bad when he goes home and looks at his medals and bank account

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

You sound like a fanatic. You've decided Mourinho is the problem then try and fit an argument around it. Where you let slip just how much is when you say 'if Mourinho and the management staff can't show it on the pitch'. I thought that was the players job?. Don't tell me, when the players struggle to string a few passes together that ........ shows how bad the manager is?

Maybe the players just don't care. How do you explain hazard's poor form? Is it his defensive work that's stopped him attempting to dribble?

When Liverpool could hardly defend under Rodgers but were scoring a lot of goals, was that the player's job or Rodgers job? Everyone could recognize Rodgers struggled to coach organised attacks and many 'Pool fans suggested he hire a defensive coach.

With Mourinho, it's a different standard. With him, the blinders are on. Choose what you want to believe. I believe what I see and I'm fine with that.

[zolayes 14,489]

Thanks! Can't say if it will be for too long this time around.

Must admit I was very surprised to see your vote in this thread's poll, especially given how you tended to support players/managers for a longer period than most, care to give me a quick rundown of your rationale?

it would take too long but in a nutshell .. some things are more important than tin cups ,, I am now thought to be one of the most negative moaners on here .

hope you are well and things in Greece are improving

[The Skipper 20,593]

Idiots. Atmosphere next Saturday will be fucking choking, lots of booing; lots of Mou chants; probably irrational but considering who Jose is to this club completely understandable, whereas nearly all of the players couldn't care less at the end of the day. Many will be booed, completely deservedly - the players can't win whether they perform well or badly now.

I'm still disgusted. Fucking vilified even, because it should be on the players, but no we took the easy way out and got rid of the manager instead. He oozes blue, unless we appoint a former player no other manager will come close to that and even then not to the same skillset as Mourinho and quite frankly we're rotten to the core as a club now, just another plastic facade with no identity.

Chrismada9; exactly what I feel, cheers for the video.

He oozes blue, he's proper Chels, but that doesn't mean he's the best man for the job. By that reasoning Kenny Dalglish should still be Liverpool manager even though what he's done at the club had set them back for years and is still kind of haunting them right now.

It doesn't work like that.

And I'm very certain SB won't be anywhere near as toxic as you're trying to make it out to be. There's time between now and the game, things will cool off. People are there to support Chelsea FC, not Jose Mourinho. We're more than a manager.

You can't tell me you were happy with the identity the club has generated under Mourinho?

[zolayes 14,489]

Very sad news, but good to see that most of you don't lack class and wish him well. I was a bit surprised, i must say.

Now the pro-Mourinho group has done their all, the bigger group who thought it was better to part ways, they have to bring their shit now

I expect the likes of Loftus-Cheek, Baba, Traore, Kenedy, Aina, Musonda and so on to see more and more because their lack of playing time

was on Jose, right?

I read Mourinho cried after the sacking, very very upsetting. "One of us" wasn't just a phrase, imo.

We'll see how it goes long-term, i have decided to come back, because i think the dicussions won't be so one-sided anymore (no harm meant).

Hope no one has a problem with that, at some of you, i don't intend to open a bookstore.

@Zolayes looking forward to speaking with you, bring it, no more Jose around the house, can only get better?

Read KOstas post about me ,,

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Thank you for all you have done for me. I owe you a lot and we will all miss you. Good luck in the future and i know you will be back soon.

[Special Juan 27,424]

Sounds like it's Hiddink reading around.

[The Skipper 20,593]

Ivanovic's replacement is here - Azpi.

Terry's heir stones has been lined up since the summer.

William should take Pedro's place on the right with a replacement for Oscar.

Cesc could be replaced for an actual DM like wanyama or a deep modric type player - either will help.

Hazard Needs to replaced by someone world class

It remains to be seen IMO whether some of these players mentioned (i.e. Cesc and Diego) are actually done here. People mentioning that Hazard should be replaced are just being ludicrous and emotional. Pedro has just arrived...

Solutions exist within our squad to get the best out of some of these players that are underperforming - we don't need a massive 7/8 player overhaul at all. Our squad is decent - a couple of great additions will turn it into a great one.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

I'm just going to run this up the flagpole, but you can look at any of his teams across the years and see patterns of attacking play that produce measurable results. The league has become more competitive though and you need to constantly improve your squad or you fall behind. We didn't do that and what's worse, the players we already have (except Willian) performed poorly.

I've seen a lot of brilliant counter-attacking play, not attacking play per se. Mourinho's Madrid were the best counter-attacking team in the world. Chelsea 2004/2005 were a fantastic counter-attacking team. Those teams scored a tremendous amount of goals.

But Mourinho didn't install any attacking philosophy in those teams. So it wasn't that surprising to see those teams fall apart so quickly. Madrid went from having the record for goals in La Liga in one season to being a 3rd place, average Madrid side. We went from this super effecient, physically powerful, counter-attacking machine to long balls to Drogba. Over-reliance on Drogba.

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[Kieran. 6,317]

It remains to be seen IMO whether some of these players mentioned (i.e. Cesc and Diego) are actually done here. People mentioning that Hazard should be replaced are just being ludicrous and emotional. Pedro has just arrived...

Solutions exist within our squad to get the best out of some of these players that are underperforming - we don't need a massive 7/8 player overhaul at all. Our squad is decent - a couple of great additions will turn it into a great one.

Are you on the board? As soon as you were Mourinho Out he was gone within a few days...strange...

[The Skipper 20,593]

Are you on the board? As soon as you were Mourinho Out he was gone within a few days...strange...

Shh.