The Mourinho Thread

[ice-boy 165]

TRAORE instead of Luis. Oh Allah. What a time to be alive.

[Fernando 6,743]

Mourinho claims it takes him 10 minutes to determine whether kids can cut it with the champions.

Well, there goes any hope of Mourinho changing his ways.

Bit ironic considering the fact that Cuadrado is still here and he decided to get Falcao despite their atrocious last seasons. Mourinho is blurred by history and past glories when it comes to expensive purchases, but when it comes to kids (who don't have that benefit)? Nah, 10 minutes is more than enough. Cya later KDB, hello Cuadrado. Working really well isn't it?

Yes this is why I still believe Mourinho is a manager for 3 to 4 seasons.

Not for a decade or two.

He just can't do it like that, unless he is willing to gamble more on youth.

[CMS 382]

Still trying to cause conflict for the sake of it? You are quite pathetic. Posters like you are the reason people stop coming on to TC.

I don't think you get what he was trying to say.

[CMS 382]

If i were the the owner of Chelsea with the ambition of developing talents for the team, i would fire Jose immediately for admitting he evaluate young players in 10 min. How can you see a potential in 10 minutes? So he allows older and wash-up players to continue to flop game after game but would not give young players a chance (Drogba in last season and Falcao this season). If he really meant what he said then he is not a good coach. The fact is he has no idea how to groom young players so he always has to rely on established players to execute his way of playing the game.

Well i don't want to believe that his CL victories were fluke.

That's why you are not the owner.

[CMS 382]

Honestly, that is probably the most frustrating thing about Mourinho - his stubbornness and lack of trust when it comes to using youth players. It's one-way management from him really - he expects them to do all the work to prove they are good enough (which is fair) but he doesn't return the favor by putting faith and belief in them. To say 10 minutes is enough to judge whether one is good or bad is ludicrous. How can he expect someone to showcase their ability in just 10 minutes?! It's like he expects them to score a hat-trick or it's curtains for them. He is so obsessed with success that is he's not willing to deal with the ups and downs of integrating youth players into the first team.

If you've ever coached before you will understand what he means. In such organizations, coaches have already received dossiers, feed backs from scouts, junior coaches, assistants and watched tons of videos of players (new and young) before they ever even feature on the first team. Lots of discussions and evaluations etc., By the time he sets foot on the pitch with first team, the rest is mental approach, he will either have it or not. Didn't Mikel come in as a kid. Varane? Zouma? Traore? Etc., etc.

Chelsea is not trying to build a team, they already have a team, just trying to fit in the missing puzzle. You are either the missing piece or not. Its a lot more complicated that just buying pieces to patch a team up. I've coached at various levels for 30+ years and I can usually tell from opposing teams who the key players are, (during their warm ups) weak links etc., whenever we went to tourneys in different states where scouting reports were not not available for whatever reasons. I hardly missed a beat too. You either have it or you don't.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

I get what you're saying but there doesn't appear to be any good reasons behind the lack of reinforcements...

If there were concerns about FFP or lack of quality players on the market, I would understand...but that's not the case

Most of the major european clubs have strengthened their squad (Bayern, Juve, Barca, Atletico, Real) and I feel we are being left behind...

Our manager made it clear even before last season ended that he was looking for players to add to what he had and he has confirmed that we began trying to secure those targets six months ago. We know too, or think we know, that the club is financially comfortable so that's the background against which we can each make our guesses about what's happened this summer. My own is that we have either been unable to attract the players we want or we are not willing to pay the stupid prices and or wages we have been asked for.

In the case of being unable to attract a target, we are all familiar with that particular version of Catch-22. We are a good side, with good players. To improve us it will take great players but great players are in high demand. There are a number of clubs that such players are more likely to want to join in preference to us. It's entirely possible that players like Turan and Varane, with whom we were linked, would prefer to be rotational options for those clubs rather than start for us. This is not a new situation but it is a real one.

In the case of not wanting to be mugged off, I fully support that stance. It's not that we can't afford stupid prices, look at the already ridiculous bids reported to have been made for Stones, it's just that there has to be a line and I, for one, would be delighted if the club is refusing to cross it. If it means we'll struggle to win, I'll live with it. If it means that any wins we do manage will be uglier than I'd like, I'll live with that too.

Other guesses are available of course.

[Jase 43,479]

If you've ever coached before you will understand what he means. In such organizations, coaches have already received dossiers, feed backs from scouts, junior coaches, assistants and watched tons of videos of players (new and young) before they ever even feature on the first team. Lots of discussions and evaluations etc., By the time he sets foot on the pitch with first team, the rest is mental approach, he will either have it or not. Didn't Mikel come in as a kid. Varane? Zouma? Traore? Etc., etc.

Yeah but only 10 minutes for a youth player to prove their mental strength? That's nonsense really. So, if someone has the talent but so happens have a dodgy match in his first appearance (or some other factors go against them), then Mourinho is just going to say/decide 'Ok, he's not good enough'? Since you're a coach, I'm sure you can understand why people are having issues with him grooming young players and especially after he said he needs only 10 minutes to see whether a player is good or not.

[Unionjack 7,532]

I can live with Mou not having faith in youth. Chelsea are not some finishing school for the academy. Of course in a perfect world we would fill each position with new academy lads but this isnt no perfect world by any means.

This 10 minute statement just has to be Mou spiel. I really hope that he doesnt think that way. If he does then how the fuck cant he see that we have players on the pitch and in our miserably poor depth that needs upgrading?

IF I was a conspriracist (and I am) I might think that Mou had been cloned by them north London twats with a replica of Wengers brain.

And if we had been watching Wenger pulling all the crap Chelsea has done upto now we would all be jumping up and down cheering him and calling them every name we could think of.

We are in trouble guys and I,m worried. We all should be. Whats more worrying is WHY are we in this position and why cant Mou see it?

[nullabletype 987]

I will never wrap my head around the obsession over youth players. Honestly couldn't give a monkeys.

Can somebody please compile a comprehensive list of youth players that we didn't believe in who then went on to be such outstanding players that we'd be lucky to have them back?

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

I will never wrap my head around the obsession over youth players. Honestly couldn't give a monkeys.

Can somebody please compile a comprehensive list of youth players that we didn't believe in who then went on to be such outstanding players that we'd be lucky to have them back?

Off the top of my head:

Clyne Liverpool but he is not as good as Ivanovic

De Bruyne but don't think he can be considered one of our youth player

Lukaku maybe in the future if he goes and score 30 goals every season for Everton

That is all and 2 of them can't even be considered one of our youth, the others are all ending up at various mid table teams like Swansea, Aston Villa or some unknown team in Bundesliga...etc.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

How is the alleged "new contract" coming?

[Unionjack 7,532]

How is the alleged "new contract" coming?

Maybe this is his going away prezzie for us the same way Lamps and Big Pete did.

[CMS 382]

Yeah but only 10 minutes for a youth player to prove their mental strength? That's nonsense really. So, if someone has the talent but so happens have a dodgy match in his first appearance (or some other factors go against them), then Mourinho is just going to say/decide 'Ok, he's not good enough'? Since you're a coach, I'm sure you can understand why people are having issues with him grooming young players and especially after he said he needs only 10 minutes to see whether a player is good or not.

The 10 minutes does not necessarily refer to a game. It could be practice, training, indoor games ........etc. Before you can audition at that level, they must have a lot of scouting, reports, videos and stuff that has been done in the background. You just don't show up out of the blue and get 10 minutes. Its not only about your touches on the ball either. Movement off the ball during offense, defense, positioning, decision making after receiving the ball, techniques in the right position, understanding team tactics etc. The same way people get eliminated for "British got talent" or other talent auditions. They don't sit there with them 2 hours waiting for the rainbow to shine. The same way you get a job in first 10 minutes or not during a job interview. Interviewers already know if you are going to be hiried in the first 3-5 minutes.Acting auctions etc., It does not take a lifetime.

[CMS 382]

My people are very impatient. Like I've said, Chelsea is looking for a specific type player to fit into the puzzle. Not an easy find. If found, they are being priced out of the stratosphere. You guys should know by now that once Chelsea is mentioned, the price goes up by 5 million pounds.

[zolayes 14,489]

The 10 minutes does not necessarily refer to a game. It could be practice, training, indoor games ........etc. Before you can audition at that level, they must have a lot of scouting, reports, videos and stuff that has been done in the background. You just don't show up out of the blue and get 10 minutes. Its not only about your touches on the ball either. Movement off the ball during offense, defense, positioning, decision making after receiving the ball, techniques in the right position, understanding team tactics etc. The same way people get eliminated for "British got talent" or other talent auditions. They don't sit there with them 2 hours waiting for the rainbow to shine. The same way you get a job in first 10 minutes or not during a job interview. Interviewers already know if you are going to be hiried in the first 3-5 minutes.Acting auctions etc., It does not take a lifetime.

You must be the VERY SPECIAL ONE

[Jase 43,479]

The 10 minutes does not necessarily refer to a game. It could be practice, training, indoor games ........etc. Before you can audition at that level, they must have a lot of scouting, reports, videos and stuff that has been done in the background. You just don't show up out of the blue and get 10 minutes. Its not only about your touches on the ball either. Movement off the ball during offense, defense, positioning, decision making after receiving the ball, techniques in the right position, understanding team tactics etc. The same way people get eliminated for "British got talent" or other talent auditions. They don't sit there with them 2 hours waiting for the rainbow to shine. The same way you get a job in first 10 minutes or not during a job interview. Interviewers already know if you are going to be hiried in the first 3-5 minutes.Acting auctions etc., It does not take a lifetime.

Pretty sure he was referring to matches when he mentioned the 10 minutes thing. You won't know how well they will or can do until you put them in real situations, not training, practice etc. Can't exactly compare this with job interviews or talent auditions.

[CMS 382]

Pretty sure he was referring to matches when he mentioned the 10 minutes thing. You won't know how well they will or can do until you put them in real situations, not training, practice etc. Can't exactly compare this with job interviews or talent auditions.

Just like I've said, if you live and breath soccer, the way Jose does, you will know. I'm not at his level and I can tell.

[Jase 43,479]

Just like I've said, if you live and breath soccer, the way Jose does, you will know. I'm not at his level and I can tell.

True but just because Mourinho is the manager and knows more, it doesn't mean he's always right (especially in regards to integrating youth players where his record has been poor). He is human after all...

[Unionjack 7,532]

Just like I've said, if you live and breath soccer, the way Jose does, you will know. I'm not at his level and I can tell.

Then why cant he see AND DO SUMMET ABOUT some of the problems we got going on?

Unless of course he simply cant! And for whatever unknown reasons he HAS to use players already signed. Im HOPING this IS the reason because IF its purely because hes a stubborn git and wants to do a Wenger and try to prove HE is right and everyone else is stupid then he really isn't the man I presumed him to be and he should fuck off.

[CMS 382]

True but just because Mourinho is the manager and knows more, it doesn't mean he's always right (especially in regards to integrating youth players where his record has been poor). He is human after all...

Not when your boss (Roman) wants instant success. He fired coaches that were winning go figure. I get you, no one ever is an absolute on the future. However, on that note of recognizing talent, he is correct, that much I know.