BlueLion. 21,491 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/wider-repercussions-of-paris-metro-incident-may-hinder-chelsea-s-ambitions-1.2111640Because we're ALL racists, aren't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledg 643 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Chelsea fans launch fund to give racism victim an all-expenses paid trip to LondonClass act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Don't be ridiculous. Every club has its moronic fans. Liverpool fans mock Munich; United fans mock Hillsborough in return. We sing about gas chambers and Hitler, but all it takes is one moronic incident such as this. There are times when I've been embarrassed to be a Chelsea fan, but I have to say this is not one. Those racists do not represent me or 99.99% of our fanbase. I'm not a racist, I'm not a xenophobe. Those five or six "men" do not represent me or my views. The way the press have reacted is like saying that all Muslims are terrorists; that all Germans are Nazis; that all Americans are bigots; like all Brits are xenophobic. It simply isn't true. It is smaller than a "small majority" but high-horse riders like Stan Collymoron start spouting their vitriolic bile and the left-wing PC brigade that the BBC has become make out as if Chelsea have declared World War 3. Pathetic overreaction. Reprimand the disgusting fools responsible and lets move on. I'm not ridiculous. Image is everything in the consumer world. With sponsors and fans. Famous athletes get hammer for stupidity. Phelps smoking pot, woods for cheating and all that shenanigans. So yes this will hinder some incoming revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,317 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Because we're ALL racists, aren't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Stadium got a lot of empty seats today. I wonder if it was because of this and some fans didn't want to turn up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey 173 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Not saying they are or aren't racists but people say things they don't really mean or believe sometimes, you know? Add to that alcohol and group behaviour and boom. I'm in no way saying it is all right to do it, of course it is wrong and should be punished, but it doesn't instantly make every single one of them inherently racists. It is almost guaranteed that many of them were just following the group behaviour. Believe it or not, people are stupid, especially in groups. And when drunk.While what you are saying may be somewhat true, I will state once and again, a person who doesnt have any racist thoughts in their mind what so ever, would never both say and do what they did. Period.Then wether that guy is a fullblood racist or a racist who is quiet just sphewing his racism over the internet, i couldnt care less about.Theres simply no need to even say "i dont think they are racists". Why even try to look it at their PoV? They are fucking retards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changingman_2000 876 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 What we should be hearing from this "victim" is whether any of the boys at the doors insulted him or not. Chances are words weren't exchanged or he would have happily plastered it all over the media. So no "Fuck off you black c**t" or such like. Very possible that he tries to push himself onto a train full of Chelsea and simply gets fucked off back out again.......twice.Make no mistake, the bloke has more rabbit than Watership Down. If he had been verbally racially abused then it would be well out by now............unless he hasn't thought of that yet. Maybe France's version of Max Clifford will get involved and that virtue of moral fibre, The Sun, will do a 28 page special.As for losing fans over this then, if they are that shallow then piss off and close the door on the way out.Most of us been there before, shopping up west on a Saturday afternoon, a tube pulls in that is teeming with blokes. what do you do? you think "fuck that", stand back, and wait a couple of minutes for the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 The London incident seems a bit odd.surely it'd made sense to mention a bit sooner then a few days later.As if people will remember that far down the line.Just seems a bit hmmmm.Chances of finding them slim focus police attention elsewhere.Seen someone ask why if Liverpool can be banned for what happened in 1985 cant Chelsea be banned for this....errrrm I wonder?!This has brought out some really daft comments from some peopleAgree image is everything but the club haven't exactly ignored things and taken as much action as possible as well as being backed by the manager as well.Surely that should matter more then the action of some brainless idiots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidator 5,176 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Stadium got a lot of empty seats today. I wonder if it was because of this and some fans didn't want to turn up....No there wasn't? What are you chatting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 While what you are saying may be somewhat true, I will state once and again, a person who doesnt have any racist thoughts in their mind what so ever, would never both say and do what they did. Period.Then wether that guy is a fullblood racist or a racist who is quiet just sphewing his racism over the internet, i couldnt care less about.Theres simply no need to even say "i dont think they are racists". Why even try to look it at their PoV? They are fucking retards.I just don't think things are so black and white and it's important to understand every aspect of such things. I think most of the times racism in football is just a form of banter taken too far. It's just people using the racial aspect to get under the skin of players and/or supporters of rival teams and such. Again, I'm not saying it is right, but to me the real underlying cause is the rivalry, the hatred against rival fans or teams - the racism is just one of the ways chosen to hurt the "enemy", usually rivals but it could be any other team that is not your own. As such, whilst using racism to achieve the goal of hurting others is still reprovable and a shameful attitude, it's not the very same thing as the real deal, is what I'm trying to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joka 29 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I just don't think things are so black and white and it's important to understand every aspect of such things.I think most of the times racism in football is just a form of banter taken too far. It's just people using the racial aspect to get under the skin of players and/or supporters of rival teams and such. Again, I'm not saying it is right, but to me the real underlying cause is the rivalry, the hatred against rival fans or teams - the racism is just one of the ways chosen to hurt the "enemy", usually rivals but it could be any other team that is not your own. As such, whilst using racism to achieve the goal of hurting others is still reprovable and a shameful attitude, it's not the very same thing as the real deal, is what I'm trying to say.That's codswallop. It's like saying someone who slaps their wife just because he knows she won't like it isn't really a wife-beater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 That's codswallop. It's like saying someone who slaps their wife just because he knows she won't like it isn't really a wife-beater. That seems like a proper analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joka 29 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 That seems like a proper analogy.What a vague comment. Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing without being able to explain why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Laylabelle 9,535 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Hahahha oh dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Irons are bellends, but that did make me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I just don't think things are so black and white and it's important to understand every aspect of such things.I think most of the times racism in football is just a form of banter taken too far. It's just people using the racial aspect to get under the skin of players and/or supporters of rival teams and such. Again, I'm not saying it is right, but to me the real underlying cause is the rivalry, the hatred against rival fans or teams - the racism is just one of the ways chosen to hurt the "enemy", usually rivals but it could be any other team that is not your own. As such, whilst using racism to achieve the goal of hurting others is still reprovable and a shameful attitude, it's not the very same thing as the real deal, is what I'm trying to say.Yes I do agree to an extent. Ive seen a black mate chanting along to a song to a City fan who had been giving it loads just on the other side of a fence. The other black lad was saying exactly the same things back to him. There wasnt any anger on either side and people around was laughing at them (not AT them but at what was going on)Being from Brixton Ive got alot of black friends and Im very used to them saying the 'N' word which is a part of their every day term of endearment. But they also use it in a detremental way.We all know that PC has gone too far but I think in this particular case they werent having a joke and it wasnt banter. They were being hostile prats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 What a vague comment. Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing without being able to explain why?I was disagreeing with sarcasm and am able to explain why. Racism in many ways is a belief (that some races/ethnicities are superior to others), now, you can be a racist and never exteriorize a behaviour that treats others as inferiors (a racist behaviour) and it's also possible to display racist behaviour in isolated cases while not being a racist. It's like if a group of people met a rival fan in the metro and upon noticing the Christian Rosary he wears they start chanting about the Christians who were murdered by Isis or in the Crusades, or even, I don't know, harassing him about how God doesn't exist and showing him pictures of Richard Dawkins. Despite this showing, these people read the bible every day, go to the church every week and try to follow every mandament in the bible - they are catholics. Now does the event in the metro make them atheists or some sort of Christian-haters? Or was it an attempt to have a dig at that person? This is all I'm saying. Those people may or may not be racists but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion they are racists yet. When I used to go to bars to watch São Paulo play I can even remember black people saying stuff like: "it was always going to be a fucking nigga that would kick us out of the tournament" or "fucking niggas always fuck up everything" against black players for scoring against São Paulo. While it's possible to be black and racist against blacks I'm pretty sure it was not the case. It's just people venting their frustration in irrational ways. It is not an excuse to be an asshole but there are degrees to how bad actions can be. In the end I'm just nitpicking because I don't like how oversensitive everyone seems to be nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joka 29 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I was disagreeing with sarcasm and am able to explain why. Racism in many ways is a belief (that some races/ethnicities are superior to others), now, you can be a racist and never exteriorize a behaviour that treats others as inferiors (a racist behaviour) and it's also possible to display racist behaviour in isolated cases while not being a racist. It's like if a group of people met a rival fan in the metro and upon noticing the Christian Rosary he wears they start chanting about the Christians who were murdered by Isis or in the Crusades, or even, I don't know, harassing him about how God doesn't exist and showing him pictures of Richard Dawkins. Despite this showing, these people read the bible every day, go to the church every week and try to follow every mandament in the bible - they are catholics. Now does the event in the metro make them atheists or some sort of Christian-haters? Or was it an attempt to have a dig at that person? This is all I'm saying. Those people may or may not be racists but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion they are racists yet. When I used to go to bars to watch São Paulo play I can even remember black people saying stuff like: "it was always going to be a fucking nigga that would kick us out of the tournament" or "fucking niggas always fuck up everything" against black players for scoring against São Paulo. While it's possible to be black and racist against blacks I'm pretty sure it was not the case. It's just people venting their frustration in irrational ways. It is not an excuse to be an asshole but there are degrees to how bad actions can be. In the end I'm just nitpicking because I don't like how oversensitive everyone seems to be nowadays.This all sounds very much like those people that get caught with child porn on their computers, but claim not to be paedophiles - just going through a bad time in their life. We all go through rough times, but it wouldn't even cross the overwhelming majority of people's minds to download child porn to get through it. To me, if it quacks, waddles and swims, it's probably a duck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 This is ridiculous, this thread shouldn't even exist... Those f..ckers are were going to a Chelsea game so they represent Chelsea FC? So... If I kick someone in my favourite One Direction shirt those guys should apologize and invite the victim to their concert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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