Spike 12,049 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Chelsea was the first team to have an all-foreign starting XI in the Premier League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Chelsea was the first team to have an all-foreign starting XI in the Premier League.No that was Arsenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 No that was Arsenal.No it was Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 No that was Arsenal.Yup, I remember that day, Henry still playing for Arsenal and Wenger said something that his 3rd gk who is English was injured, if not he will play him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Yup, I remember that day, Henry still playing for Arsenal and Wenger said something that his 3rd gk who is English was injured, if not he will play him.No that was Arsenal.I said starting XI.First club to field an all-foreign starting XI: Chelsea (v Southampton), December 26, 1999.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-337865/English-footballs-trailblazing-foreigners.html#ixzz3IgPJEk63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The Guardia also reports this as true:http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/may/11/manchester-united-foreign-teamIt was Boxing Day 1999 that Gianluca Vialli became the first manager of an English club to select a side devoid of Englishmen," said the article below about a starting lineup for Manchester United. In fact, Vialli seems to have been pipped by Walter Galbraith, manager of Accrington Stanley – in April 1955. For a league match against York City, Galbraith fielded a team composed entirely of his fellow Scots.Gianluca Vialla was the first manager to field a starting XI in the premier league with no Englishmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I said starting XI.First club to field an all-foreign starting XI: Chelsea (v Southampton), December 26, 1999.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-337865/English-footballs-trailblazing-foreigners.html#ixzz3IgPJEk63 Hmm, just knowing that. I thought it was Arsenal at first, because of all the fussed from media after they did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmicway 1,333 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It does n't look good.In the summer England resembled Pierikos of Katerini, with "our" Stevie expected to pull things out of the fire.The question I 'd ask is what English players are there abroad in top class teams, as that might even up things.What could be the answer ?All systems failed.English players were told not to kick the ball high in the air, some Beckhams and Rooneys came forward over the years but no juice.Everybody else has something to show. Germany, Holland, Spain, France win world cups-euros and never sink too low. The Dutch though their league is unimportant now did very well in the world cup. But England teams are like falling stars. You see them now, next they disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 No it was Chelsea.My mistake, Arsenal had all foreign squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Von Doom 258 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 You all forgot someone that could be Chelsea material one day, Ross BarkleyHope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Shaw cost more than 30M£, a left back that did nothing in football cost more than Fabregas, Costa, Matic,, Filipe Luis, almost any player in our team (in reality he would have been maybe the most expensive player in the squad) . We can't buy a left back for that price, and for sure not one that did nothing in his carrer.4 seasons ago Real Madrid paid 25M€ for Coentrão the best LB in the world cup of 2010, and every one thought it was too much... image almost 40M€... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Ryan Bertrand is having ten times the season that Shaw is having. There are tens of LBs in the world that are better than Luke Shaw. Yeah Ryan would be a better English LB then Shaw. But our problem is that we didn't give him much chances and thus used Azpi. While Azpi is good, but when even Mourinho prefers Azpi over then Ryan then you know how tough it is for English players. So not also the club problem but managers as well. Here clearly Mourinho preferred a foreign over an English player. And it's the right move at the moment since Azpi is much better then Ryan. Can't have it both ways @Term-X, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseafc9010 224 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Kind of hard to get English players into the team when they all suck.I think England teams will be going through a stage now with a lot of foreign players, because most of the golden age of English has gone (Owen, Beckham, Shearer, Hargreaves) or they are past their prime like Cole, Cole, Lamps, Rio ect.. so there is bound to be less English players in the bigger teams if the big teams want to compete with others in Europe. The thing is though, a lot of English clubs are now following other countries values and are putting effort into youth and young players, now we have youngsters coming through and being played reguarly like Chambers, Wilshere, Barkley, Studger and Sterling ect. So I doubt this will be a problem in the future, although I find it hard to see any of our English players or youngsters breaking into the future of this team at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Don't mean to be rude but i find myself chuckling that some of you believe we will promote youth players, just because Mou said so. Lets be honest Mou has never been a specalist in bringing up youth players and integrating them into the first team.England clubs in general have a problem in developing English players. The increase revenues and popularity of PL have come at a cost, the development of young players have been neglacted. With so much money at each club disposel, the easier path is buying foreign players rather then developing one. When you look at the lack of talent in the England NT it is quite obvious how poor this league is in developing young players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Don't mean to be rude but i find myself chuckling that some of you believe we will promote youth players, just because Mou said so. Lets be honest Mou has never been a specalist in bringing up youth players and integrating them into the first team.England clubs in general have a problem in developing English players. The increase revenues and popularity of PL have come at a cost, the development of young players have been neglacted. With so much money at each club disposel, the easier path is buying foreign players rather then developing one. When you look at the lack of talent in the England NT it is quite obvious how poor this league is in developing young players.He's never been a specialist due to him having an average of 3 years at any club. Managerial stability = Youth integration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 He's never been a specialist due to him having an average of 3 years at any club. Managerial stability = Youth integration. It's the second season. We should have at least seen some promise. If by next season we see nothing, then we will never will no matter who is at the club. That's the reality if this day and age of PL dominance. As @Joker10, said that big money in the PL is also making it hard for even lower clubs to develop youth. Because they can now afford to buy ready made foreign players from another league and what not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It's the second season. We should have at least seen some promise. If by next season we see nothing, then we will never will no matter who is at the club. That's the reality if this day and age of PL dominance. As @Joker10, said that big money in the PL is also making it hard for even lower clubs to develop youth. Because they can now afford to buy ready made foreign players from another league and what not. There is huge pressure on Jose from the club and the impatient modern day football fans (they know who they are) for Jose to deliver some silverware, so obviously there is going to be a lack of appearances from youth even though there have been a few who already made appearances this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Thing is, there is zero reason why Bertrand should not be here right now.We didn't need to splash cash on bringing the "Best LB on earth" to ride the bench behind our 25 year old starting LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,536 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 There is huge pressure on Jose from the club and the impatient modern day football fans (they know who they are) for Jose to deliver some silverware, so obviously there is going to be a lack of appearances from youth even though there have been a few who already made appearances this season. He said that when everyone raved over Arsenal that year.If didn't feel under pressure he would play more youth and if points were dropped and won sod all least have future players sorta thing.Do reckon maybe use a couple a game but if he feels experience wins can't blame him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Thing is, there is zero reason why Bertrand should not be here right now.We didn't need to splash cash on bringing the "Best LB on earth" to ride the bench behind our 25 year old starting LB. No reason on our part, but you're not considering what Ryan wants. He wants regular football and he wants to be at a place where he can show what he can do. You forget that last season a lot of people were saying he wasn't good enough to even be a backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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