Sheva. 5,373 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 And that's the problem - the reason Jose always beats Wenger is because he doesn't give his team time and space. He hustles them, he starves them of space and they collapse.Look at the 6-0 win. Now which team does Fabregas fit perfectly into?Our problem last season was not teams not giving us space and time, it was looking totally inept when we had to break down other teams.Put Fabregas on the bench for the 5 or so games we might need to defend, but against your Sunderland's, QPR's etc, you want him in the middle spraying the ball around.(Doesn't have to be Fabregas, can be Rakitic whoever, but a player like this would be great to have) Barbara and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Saw this in another forum. Had to share. Wtf...Fabregas will have to put in serious work here. Let's see if he can fit in here.Why can't Oscar play next to Matic? He's got a motor, can defend, and create... quickpassnmove and guddy69 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted June 3, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted June 3, 2014 Chelsea set to sign Cesc Fabregas and send him on loan to Vitesse. Eden2020, nachikethas, iceman and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadenza666 221 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Chelsea set to sign Cesc Fabregas and send him on loan to Vitesse. i got so excited seeing Petr post ...... then saw Vitesse -_______- xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Fabregas had many very good seasons with Arsenal and was one of the best midfielders in the PL for majority of his time at Arsenal.Nail on head. It wasn't a quality problem but a not fitting into philosophy, not being liked by the fans and not being played in right position problem. didn't really rate him too highly aside for about 18 months at Arsenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Our problem last season was not teams not giving us space and time, it was looking totally inept when we had to break down other teams.Put Fabregas on the bench for the 5 or so games we might need to defend, but against your Sunderland's, QPR's etc, you want him in the middle spraying the ball around.(Doesn't have to be Fabregas, can be Rakitic whoever, but a player like this would be great to have)And Jose put the blame for those performances at the feet of the strikers, and rightly so. Costa looks very much like a Jose signing. Matic looks very much like a Jose signing.Fabregas looks like a Roman signing.Fabregas....Rakitic....those aren't Jose players. He likes players with power about them, someone like Pogba or even Koke who has shown that he can be disciplined defensively as well as picking a pass. Jose is the guy who sold Mata and went with Oscar because Oscar edged Mata in terms of defensive discipline.If this story was about United signing Fabregas then people would be saying he wouldn't fit Van Gaal's style....but he's going to fit Jose's? I have serious doubts. Chelsea Legend 11 and quickpassnmove 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Oscar edged Mata, then he died in January. Lol. Mufassir08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 And Jose put the blame for those performances at the feet of the strikers, and rightly so. Costa looks very much like a Jose signing. Matic looks very much like a Jose signing.Fabregas looks like a Roman signing.Fabregas....Rakitic....those aren't Jose players. He likes players with power about them, someone like Pogba or even Koke who has shown that he can be disciplined defensively as well as picking a pass. Jose is the guy who sold Mata and went with Oscar because Oscar edged Mata in terms of defensive discipline.If this story was about United signing Fabregas then people would be saying he wouldn't fit Van Gaal's style....but he's going to fit Jose's? I have serious doubts.Eh, I just don't feel that a 'Roman' signing is really a thing. I think it's more a made up criticism that other people can throw at the club. The only player Roman really did sign (that we know of for sure) is Andriy Shevchenko. Even Fernie Torres has been chalked up to Carlo. The Skipper, Barbara and seanptmiller 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Wtf...Fabregas will have to put in serious work here. Let's see if he can fit in here.Why can't Oscar play next to Matic? He's got a motor, can defend, and create...Exactly the point that Andy Jacobs just made --which I agree with. Only thing that Fabregas has over Oscar is more success in the PL and a better shot on goal. Ironic that Chelsea would buy Fabregas while not yet having given Oscar enough minutes in centre midfield instead of in an advanced position. -Ironic- as it seems to me that Fabregas was not given enough chances to play in a deeper role at Barca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! bababoom 4,478 Posted June 3, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted June 3, 2014 I don't really buy that, Jose had the likes of Deco, Sneijder and Ozil playing major roles for his sides. We have power and pace in abundance but not enough creativity in my eyes. Tomo, Sheva., The Skipper and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Exactly the point that Andy Jacobs just made --which I agree with. Only thing that Fabregas has over Oscar is more success in the PL and a better shot on goal. Ironic that Chelsea would buy Fabregas while not yet having given Oscar enough minutes in centre midfield instead of in an advanced position. -Ironic- as it seems to me that Fabregas was not given enough chances to play in a deeper role at Barca.He's more creative than Oscar and his passing is better, I rate Oscar but they're different players really. laura90 and quickpassnmove 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Saw this in another forum. Had to share. the Lord Bolton bastard sack of sh--e. happy to see that character get impaled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 And Jose put the blame for those performances at the feet of the strikers, and rightly so. Costa looks very much like a Jose signing. Matic looks very much like a Jose signing.Fabregas looks like a Roman signing.Fabregas....Rakitic....those aren't Jose players. He likes players with power about them, someone like Pogba or even Koke who has shown that he can be disciplined defensively as well as picking a pass. Jose is the guy who sold Mata and went with Oscar because Oscar edged Mata in terms of defensive discipline.If this story was about United signing Fabregas then people would be saying he wouldn't fit Van Gaal's style....but he's going to fit Jose's? I have serious doubts.Blaming the strikers is the easy way of Mou passing the blame and not taking any responsibility for his system not working.You cannot have 9 defensive minded players out there (minus Hazard and the striker) and expect to create many chances, and score many goals.Costa will help, but a lot of times, he'll still be feeding off scraps and stupid long balls from Ramires that fly into the stands.It isn't going to kill anyone if we had a more creative team for certain games, and Mourinho can play his defensive football with Ramires and co when necessary. Mufassir08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Mourinho has never won anything in his career with just "Mourinho-type players", whatever that's supposed to mean. Probably one of the most nonsensical football buzzword out there (up there with "parked the bus") that is mostly used in English circles, sad to say by clueless TV "pundits" still stuck in the 70's and 80's who know fuck all about modern football. Some fans pick it up and run with it even though such a thing doesn't exist. Viper22 and ZOS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaFanUK 1,014 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 @JamieDalton82: Cesc Fabregas tells Don Balon that he will never play for another team in England except ArsenalThis an old quote? Or can one of the spanish speaking on here check don balon website or whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledg 643 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I think it's from 2011. There are articles from Telegraph and Guardian from 2011 with the same title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Barcelona wants €36m for Fabregas. They only want to recoup the money they spent on him.Chelsea and Fabregas have already reached an agreement. Darren Dein (Fabregas' agent) proposed his player to all the big clubs in England, but Chelsea was the team most interested in signing him.Arsene Wenger has no plans to sign Fabregas.Cesc only wants to sign for a London based team. He told Barcelona he will not leave the club if he won't find a team in London to sign for.He was expecting Arsenal to be interested in him. He was surprised and at the same time disappointed that Wenger did not want him, so he chose Chelsea instead. QPR? Go play for 'Arry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Blaming the strikers is the easy way of Mou passing the blame and not taking any responsibility for his system not working.You cannot have 9 defensive minded players out there (minus Hazard and the striker) and expect to create many chances, and score many goals.Costa will help, but a lot of times, he'll still be feeding off scraps and stupid long balls from Ramires that fly into the stands.It isn't going to kill anyone if we had a more creative team for certain games, and Mourinho can play his defensive football with Ramires and co when necessary.5 managers can't be all wrong. Carlo, AVB, RDM, FSW, Jose all had trouble with strikers scoring goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 And Jose put the blame for those performances at the feet of the strikers, and rightly so. Costa looks very much like a Jose signing. Matic looks very much like a Jose signing.Fabregas looks like a Roman signing.Fabregas....Rakitic....those aren't Jose players. He likes players with power about them, someone like Pogba or even Koke who has shown that he can be disciplined defensively as well as picking a pass. Jose is the guy who sold Mata and went with Oscar because Oscar edged Mata in terms of defensive discipline.If this story was about United signing Fabregas then people would be saying he wouldn't fit Van Gaal's style....but he's going to fit Jose's? I have serious doubts.exactly my sentiments just doesn't seem like a Jose type player. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 5 managers can't be all wrong. Carlo, AVB, RDM, FSW, Jose all had trouble with strikers scoring goals.Ancelotti? Drogba scored 50, Kalou 25, Anelka 31 when Carlo was the coach. Barbara, Madmax and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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