Rumoured John Stones

[CMS 382]

I finally sat back and watched Stones yesterday without frills. The guy is another Luis waiting to happen, even worse. Both goals were partially his fault. He runs all over the field chasing balls and leaves his position wide open. The first goal, he let Raheem take him inside, from the right side of his defense, laving him with too much space, and passing the final ball through his legs to Kolarov, who easily beat the Gk near post.

The second goal, he ran chasing the ball to the center mid-field, then all the way to the left side of Everton defense, clattered with his own man, leaving Nasri to complete a one-two flick pass with Yaya for a practice goal. Very school boy marking. Other than some aggressive English style clearing slide tackles, he's tactically naive, cannot organize a Sunday meeting and has a lot to learn.

He played more like a defensive midfielder than a center back. If we are looking for immediate fix, he's not it. Maybe a long term fix, if he is allowed to work under JT for the next three years. We should back out of this deal and leave him be. Omeruo will be a better cover on the bench without drama of the English press, clamoring for an immediate playing time on a weekly basis.

[supporter 3,088]

His signing gets more complicated day after day. 55 million euros? 40.58 million pounds ?. that is something crazy.

I think we are making a great effort to sign John Stones, with John Terry, Cahill and Jose praising Him and doing (supposedly) three bids which are more or less acceptable.

But now is John Stones who has to speak up and put pressure against Everton and Martinez. I'm not saying that he has to confront against them, but Stones should say, "Thank Everton for everything you have given me, but now I want to realize my dream. " If Stones does not put pressure... his move is impossible.

By the way, for 55 million euros (40.58 pounds) Real Madrid could accept an offer to sign Varane.

List of the most expensive defenses in history (more or less. the amounts are approximate)

1. David Luiz. 49.5 million euros. 36.52 million pounds.
2. Rio Ferdinand. 46 million euros. 33.94 million pounds.
3. Otamendi. 45 million euros. 33.20 million pounds.
4. Thiago Silva. 42 million euros. 30.99 million pounds.
5. Thuram. 41.5 million euros. 30.62 million pounds.
6. Mangala. 40 million euros. 29.51 million pounds.
7. Luke Shaw. 37. 5 Million. 27.67 million pounds.
8. Dani Alves. 35.5 million euros. 26.19 million pounds.
9. Danilo. 31.5. millions of euros. 23.24 million pounds.
10. Marquinhos. 31. 4 million euros. 23.17 million pounds.

Everton and Martinez should not forget that we are in the real world. John Stones is one of the best centre-backs for the future, but the amounts of money that they ask are irrational.

Regards.

[The Skipper 20,593]

  On 24/08/2015 at 16:10, CMS said:

I finally sat back and watched Stones yesterday without frills. The guy is another Luis waiting to happen, even worse. Both goals were partially his fault. He runs all over the field chasing balls and leaves his position wide open. The first goal, he let Raheem take him inside, from the right side of his defense, laving him with too much space, and passing the final ball through his legs to Kolarov, who easily beat the Gk near post.

The second goal, he ran chasing the ball to the center mid-field, then all the way to the left side of Everton defense, clattered with his own man, leaving Nasri to complete a one-two flick pass with Yaya for a practice goal. Very school boy marking. Other than some aggressive English style clearing slide tackles, he's tactically naive, cannot organize a Sunday meeting and has a lot to learn.

He played more like a defensive midfielder than a center back. If we are looking for immediate fix, he's not it. Maybe a long term fix, if he is allowed to work under JT for the next three years. We should back out of this deal and leave him be. Omeruo will be a better cover on the bench without drama of the English press, clamoring for an immediate playing time on a weekly basis.

One game?

[Pizy 18,538]

Who gives a fucking shit about his cost!? Why do so many of you care so much?

If we bid £40m for him we can obviously afford it. Easily, in fact! If a big club wants a player they pay up and get him. Every single club with the same ambitions as us (Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, City, PSG, United) don't ever hesitate when they truly lust after a player. United wanted Di Maria? £60m. Real Madrid wanted Bale? £80m. Barca wanted Neymar? I read during that scandal last season that they may have spent as much as £90m or something in total getting him. City go and spend £50m on Sterling without any trouble at all, signed ANOTHER super expensive CB, and are after another £50m attacking player despite dominating so far and ALREADY HAVING A MORE EXPENSIVE SQUAD THAN US! You think the fans over on Bluemoon are saying "lol, £40m!? Just walk away!" No, they're desperate to see their club win and have top players.

Yet some of you here (like didierforever) are acting as though buying Stones will bankrupt the club or something.

It was estimated by people who do this kind of financial stuff for a living that we could spend £150m this window with relative ease. And that was BEFORE we found out that FFP was being relaxed! We've spent about half of that amount so far. We can afford to splash more comfortably.

Just fucking get him, don't care the price. I don't even care if he costs £45m! Just get him. Everyone will forget the price in a year or two when he's bossing it in our back 4 and with the new TV money, I doubt he'll look so expensive for long.

[lluubbeenn 162]

  On 24/08/2015 at 16:10, CMS said:

I finally sat back and watched Stones yesterday without frills. The guy is another Luis waiting to happen, even worse. Both goals were partially his fault. He runs all over the field chasing balls and leaves his position wide open. The first goal, he let Raheem take him inside, from the right side of his defense, laving him with too much space, and passing the final ball through his legs to Kolarov, who easily beat the Gk near post.

The second goal, he ran chasing the ball to the center mid-field, then all the way to the left side of Everton defense, clattered with his own man, leaving Nasri to complete a one-two flick pass with Yaya for a practice goal. Very school boy marking. Other than some aggressive English style clearing slide tackles, he's tactically naive, cannot organize a Sunday meeting and has a lot to learn.

He played more like a defensive midfielder than a center back. If we are looking for immediate fix, he's not it. Maybe a long term fix, if he is allowed to work under JT for the next three years. We should back out of this deal and leave him be. Omeruo will be a better cover on the bench without drama of the English press, clamoring for an immediate playing time on a weekly basis.

For the first goal he was covering for Coleman and was basically playing as a right back against Sterling and Jagielka was covering the offside when the final pass occurred. For the second goal he was nowhere near the ball, the situation you are talking about was for Navas not for Nasri and Howard saved. I think he was playing as a defensive mid too, but i guess this one comes from the manager because in other games he doesnt play like that.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

  On 24/08/2015 at 16:48, Pizy said:

Who gives a fucking shit about his cost!? Why do so many of you care so much?

If we bid £40m for him we can obviously afford it. Easily, in fact! If a big club wants a player they pay up and get him. Every single club with the same ambitions as us (Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, City, PSG, United) don't ever hesitate when they truly lust after a player. United wanted Di Maria? £60m. Real Madrid wanted Bale? £80m. Barca wanted Neymar? I read during that scandal last season that they may have spent as much as £90m or something in total getting him. City go and spend £50m on Sterling without any trouble at all, signed ANOTHER super expensive CB, and are after another £50m attacking player despite dominating so far and ALREADY HAVING A MORE EXPENSIVE SQUAD THAN US! You think the fans over on Bluemoon are saying "lol, £40m!? Just walk away!" No, they're desperate to see their club win and have top players.

Yet some of you here (like didierforever) are acting as though buying Stones will bankrupt the club or something.

It was estimated by people who do this kind of financial stuff for a living that we could spend £150m this window with relative ease. And that was BEFORE we found out that FFP was being relaxed! We've spent about half of that amount so far. We can afford to splash more comfortably.

Just fucking get him, don't care the price. I don't even care if he costs £45m! Just get him. Everyone will forget the price in a year or two when he's bossing it in our back 4 and with the new TV money, I doubt he'll look so expensive for long.

Point is he isnt that great and maybe never will be.

If he was beast I would pay 100m for him because good cbs are rare.

But to pay world record for defender on 21 yrs Stones, well everton and Stones can fuck off.

He wont improve our defense big time this season. Rather wait, play Zouma (if you think Zouma and Stones will play at same time your joking yourself and hell no I dont want us to pay 40m for stones and have zouma on bench, while both are same level now). Then get an actual top defender like Varane Godin Laporte Gimenez etc. For 55m Im sure we can get them eventualy. And they are actualy top defenders.

I know we need english players but dont pay 55m on Cb just because of that. English players are overrated as fuck. From Kane to Sterling to Wheelchair and list goes on. Pay 10m on two average english players or better get them from academy.

If we couldnt afford to pay 50m pounds on Sterling, neither should we 40m on Stones who is a fucking CB. Not even half as proven as Sterling to that matter.

Its funny just because Everton demand 40m and we seem to be ready to pay, people think we will get world class CB. He is decent, good on ball, but I want our CBs to be ready to stop players like Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez. And if I pay 55mio they better be. And not in five years. But its not how it works.

I would break the bank for Gimenez, Varane or younger Godin, those would be worth the money. Not Stones who had one good season at everton, yet they finished low in table, but more importantly has absolutely no experience in top club or CL.

Real paid for Varane what around 10m? And we would 55 for Stones. Let that sink for a moment.

Just because we can it doesnt mean we should pay this idiotic money for Stones who frankly wont be any better than Cahill in big games of CL (if he would even play). Even Zouma who should by all means be first 11 is not. Why we need to pay 55m for another similar player I dunno. Get a world class Cb for that price ffs.

Yes he might be the man for next 10 years, but who knows. Unless he becomes next Terry no way is he gonna be worth 55 even if he plays decent for next decade. And the way defenders play nowdays there are no worth that money. We are not getting Thuram or Puyol ffs.

And Bale DiMaria are so called world class. What is Stones? World class too? Lol

And if we splash the cash at least do it on top players then. Anyaway Real is splashing cash like mad and what have they won? Since 2008, one laliga and one CL from big trophies. Yeah splash the cash. The kids like stones will win us CL.

[stroey 2,525]

Sergi Domínguez ‏@FutbolSergi 1 u

Chelsea negotiations with Everton regarding John Stones has come to an end. CFC's highest and final bid was rejected.

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 24/08/2015 at 16:48, Pizy said:

Who gives a fucking shit about his cost!? Why do so many of you care so much?

If we bid £40m for him we can obviously afford it. Easily, in fact! If a big club wants a player they pay up and get him. Every single club with the same ambitions as us (Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, City, PSG, United) don't ever hesitate when they truly lust after a player. United wanted Di Maria? £60m. Real Madrid wanted Bale? £80m. Barca wanted Neymar? I read during that scandal last season that they may have spent as much as £90m or something in total getting him. City go and spend £50m on Sterling without any trouble at all, signed ANOTHER super expensive CB, and are after another £50m attacking player despite dominating so far and ALREADY HAVING A MORE EXPENSIVE SQUAD THAN US! You think the fans over on Bluemoon are saying "lol, £40m!? Just walk away!" No, they're desperate to see their club win and have top players.

Yet some of you here (like didierforever) are acting as though buying Stones will bankrupt the club or something.

It was estimated by people who do this kind of financial stuff for a living that we could spend £150m this window with relative ease. And that was BEFORE we found out that FFP was being relaxed! We've spent about half of that amount so far. We can afford to splash more comfortably.

Just fucking get him, don't care the price. I don't even care if he costs £45m! Just get him. Everyone will forget the price in a year or two when he's bossing it in our back 4 and with the new TV money, I doubt he'll look so expensive for long.

no we are not acting like those 40mil will bankrupt the club. we are acting about what it would mean for the club.

john fucking stones for 40mil. next year, another average over-hyped engligh player who would be worth 10mil would be sold at 30mil.

it would set a precedent. look at united and how 2 years of bad transfers is making every club milk them for all they are worth.

next thing is why the fuck should we buy john stones for 40mil? we can buy howedes for half that value and he is a much better player than stones. wait much much much better player than stones.

and dont give me that bullshit of "we are paying for potential", we already have potential with zouma, kalas and andreas. no need to waste that money on something who does not even improve our defence at the moment.

you might not care, but most of us do. cos we have not forgotten how one bad transfer (remember torres 50mil) can set a club back 2-3 years.

also, city's super expensive CB is ota-fucking-mendi. one of the best CBs in the world currently. are u actually comparing john stones to otamendi.

lol, i have nothing more to say in that case. cos go to the pogba thread and see what most are writing. no one cares is pogba costs 100mil euros. he is worth it. he is a world class CM who improves us instantanouesly as well as solves our long term problems. stones does not do or barely does one of them.

[CMS 382]

  On 24/08/2015 at 17:19, BlueLyon said:

Point is he isnt that great and maybe never will be.

If he was beast I would pay 100m for him because good cbs are rare.

But to pay world record for defender on 21 yrs Stones, well everton and Stones can fuck off.

He wont improve our defense big time this season. Rather wait, play Zouma (if you think Zouma and Stones will play at same time your joking yourself and hell no I dont want us to pay 40m for stones and have zouma on bench, while both are same level now). Then get an actual top defender like Varane Godin Laporte Gimenez etc. For 55m Im sure we can get them eventualy. And they are actualy top defenders.

I know we need english players but dont pay 55m on Cb just because of that. English players are overrated as fuck. From Kane to Sterling to Wheelchair and list goes on. Pay 10m on two average english players or better get them from academy.

If we couldnt afford to pay 50m pounds on Sterling, neither should we 40m on Stones who is a fucking CB. Not even half as proven as Sterling to that matter.

Its funny just because Everton demand 40m and we seem to be ready to pay, people think we will get world class CB. He is decent, good on ball, but I want our CBs to be ready to stop players like Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez. And if I pay 55mio they better be. And not in five years. But its not how it works.

I would break the bank for Gimenez, Varane or younger Godin, those would be worth the money. Not Stones who had one good season at everton, yet they finished low in table, but more importantly has absolutely no experience in top club or CL.

Real paid for Varane what around 10m? And we would 55 for Stones. Let that sink for a moment.

Just because we can it doesnt mean we should pay this idiotic money for Stones who frankly wont be any better than Cahill in big games of CL (if he would even play). Even Zouma who should by all means be first 11 is not. Why we need to pay 55m for another similar player I dunno. Get a world class Cb for that price ffs.

Yes he might be the man for next 10 years, but who knows. Unless he becomes next Terry no way is he gonna be worth 55 even if he plays decent for next decade. And the way defenders play nowdays there are no worth that money. We are not getting Thuram or Puyol ffs.

And Bale DiMaria are so called world class. What is Stones? World class too? Lol

And if we splash the cash at least do it on top players then. Anyaway Real is splashing cash like mad and what have they won? Since 2008, one laliga and one CL from big trophies. Yeah splash the cash. The kids like stones will win us CL.

Thank you. People talk as if its their check book. Just pay 55 million, just because you said so. Amazing!

[Chelsea? 892]

I can guarantee you Everton probably only rejected it hoping for another offer. No way will they ever get anything over 30mil for him. They'll regret their decision.

[xPetrCechx 13,565]

  On 24/08/2015 at 17:29, stroey said:

Sergi Domínguez ‏@FutbolSergi 1 u

Chelsea negotiations with Everton regarding John Stones has come to an end. CFC's highest and final bid was rejected.

36 mil?...

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

  On 24/08/2015 at 17:31, Chelsea? said:

I can guarantee you Everton probably only rejected it hoping for another offer. No way will they ever get anything over 30mil for him. They'll regret their decision.

Not sure, if he keeps up the form can see MU paying 40m with ease next summer for him

[CMS 382]

  On 24/08/2015 at 17:30, didierforever said:

no we are not acting like those 40mil will bankrupt the club. we are acting about what it would mean for the club.

john fucking stones for 40mil. next year, another average over-hyped engligh player who would be worth 10mil would be sold at 30mil.

it would set a precedent. look at united and how 2 years of bad transfers is making every club milk them for all they are worth.

next thing is why the fuck should we buy john stones for 40mil? we can buy howedes for half that value and he is a much better player than stones. wait much much much better player than stones.

and dont give me that bullshit of "we are paying for potential", we already have potential with zouma, kalas and andreas. no need to waste that money on something who does not even improve our defence at the moment.

you might not care, but most of us do. cos we have not forgotten how one bad transfer (remember torres 50mil) can set a club back 2-3 years.

Don't forget we have Omeruo too.

[Duppy Conqueror 1,495]

£36m for a central defender would not be a world record. just a record between English clubs.

I`ve seen it said many times why we as fans care about how much a player costs. in this case I don`t think it`s too over priced (it is but not too much) but to answer the question in a general sense. nobody should want us to grossly overpay for a player.it effects our future pursuit of players when clubs see us as willing to do it. we have paid for that since 2003 on occasions. Man City,Man U,Arsenal now are having problems with that aswell as teams like PSG.

for some of us,where all we spend on Chelsea is the cost of a new jersey every year then it doesn`t have a financial impact on you.

for others like me who are committed to attending atleast 90% of the games every season and already spending tens of thousands a season with various trips around Europe etc... us splashing the cash and blowing millions more than we need to can impact us. Roman hasn`t ripped us too badly thus far but that can always change.

[Pizy 18,538]

  On 24/08/2015 at 17:30, didierforever said:

no we are not acting like those 40mil will bankrupt the club. we are acting about what it would mean for the club.

john fucking stones for 40mil. next year, another average over-hyped engligh player who would be worth 10mil would be sold at 30mil.

it would set a precedent. look at united and how 2 years of bad transfers is making every club milk them for all they are worth.

next thing is why the fuck should we buy john stones for 40mil? we can buy howedes for half that value and he is a much better player than stones. wait much much much better player than stones.

and dont give me that bullshit of "we are paying for potential", we already have potential with zouma, kalas and andreas. no need to waste that money on something who does not even improve our defence at the moment.

you might not care, but most of us do. cos we have not forgotten how one bad transfer (remember torres 50mil) can set a club back 2-3 years.

also, city's super expensive CB is ota-fucking-mendi. one of the best CBs in the world currently. are u actually comparing john stones to otamendi.

lol, i have nothing more to say in that case. cos go to the pogba thread and see what most are writing. no one cares is pogba costs 100mil euros. he is worth it. he is a world class CM who improves us instantanouesly as well as solves our long term problems. stones does not do or barely does one of them.

Otamendi is nearly 28 and most people had never heard of him before this year. Stones is 21 and I'd already rather have him than Otamendi.

Kalas and Christensen? The overrating of our youth players here continues. Neither are anywhere near Stones' level and I 100% guarantee neither will ever play for our first team again.

It's not going to have some huge ripple effect in the club like you're suggesting and it certainly can't be compared to the Torres buy. He was already crocked and on the wane before we bought him. Stones is class already and will only get better. You sound like we're buying some 15 year old unknown when you talk about "potential." He's already better than both Zouma and Cahill!

[Polo7 3,496]

Good not worth that much. Let's find another partner for Zouma.

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 24/08/2015 at 17:49, Pizy said:

Otamendi is nearly 28 and most people had never heard of him before this year. Stones is 21 and I'd already rather have him than Otamendi.

Kalas and Christensen? The overrating of our youth players here continues. Neither are anywhere near Stones' level and I 100% guarantee neither will ever play for our first team again.

It's not going to have some huge ripple effect in the club like you're suggesting and it certainly can't be compared to the Torres buy. He was already crocked and on the wane before we bought him. Stones is class already and will only get better. You sound like we're buying some 15 year old unknown when you talk about "potential." He's already better than both Zouma and Cahill!

what class? did u see his performance yesterday? if GC had put that performance he would have been burned alive. and how is it not comparable to torres. we are over-paying by atleast double the value of a player who clearly might never be worth that value.

give kalas the amount of confidence stones has got from martinez. or andreas. both will never play cos of our grass is greener syndrome. just like kdb never got a real chance here and now he is worth 55 mil pounds.

YOU had not heard of otamendi. YOU had only heard of stones cos he is another over-hyped english player. i remeber a lot of people saying the same thing when cazorla was bought or mata was bought. just cos people's knowledge of football is non-existent outside of PL, does not mean those players are not good.

also, otamendi is 27. if he can give 5 good years, that is more than enough. 5 years in football is a life time.

3 months ago we had walked the league, look at city and chelsea now.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

  On 24/08/2015 at 17:29, stroey said:

Sergi Domínguez ‏@FutbolSergi 1 u

Chelsea negotiations with Everton regarding John Stones has come to an end. CFC's highest and final bid was rejected.

if thats true itll be in the press tonight, and im sure some other outlets would be reporting it. I like how he is tweeting that after the pretend ITK mohd tagaya tho