Ricardo Rodriguez

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Again... grain of salt.

Luke Shaw doesn't take set-pieces because he can't deliver them accurately as someone like Lallana or Rodriguez.

How many set-pieces did Rodriguez take last season then?

Isn't Luke Shaw a fairly capable dead-ball striker?

What about Rickie Lambert and Steven Davis?

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How many set-pieces did Rodriguez take last season then?

Isn't Luke Shaw a fairly capable dead-ball striker?

What about Rickie Lambert and Steven Davis?

Dude... you're going off the rails here.

Ricardo Rodriguez and Luke Shaw do NOT have the same sort of skill sets. I value what Rodriguez can bring more than I do that of Shaw... who I actually like a lot.

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Dude... you're going off the rails here.

Ricardo Rodriguez and Luke Shaw do NOT have the same sort of skill sets. I value what Rodriguez can bring more than I do that of Shaw... who I actually like a lot.

I'm just asking questions about points you're raising. If you don't know then just say.

Stats never tell the whole story and need to be put in context.

You said that he doesn't take set-pieces because he can't deliver them as well as Lallana and Ramirez...does he deliver them better or worse than Steven Davis?

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Whoscored grossly overrates Bundesliga players. I think Carvajal was in the top 20 last season, but he's not even in the top 200 now. No point comparing across leagues if the stats aren't adjusted. Does anyone actually believe 11 of top 20 players in the world play in Bundesliga? Rodriguez, Firmino, Raffael, Kruse, Adrian Ramos, Farfan, and Kiesling? Give me a break

Good point.

Interesting debate we have here. Glad to see TalkChelsea back on form.

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Is it that Whoscored overrates or is it that he's not in a system that lets him perform the same way? Kind harsh to say they overrate when all they do is tabulate stats.

I'm sorry but I've seen whoscored.com, and if you in any way let that base some of your footballing opinion on who is a better player then your fucking bonkers mate.

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WhoScored is pretty useful in certain instances but its ratings system vastly suit some players more than others. It's okay to use in an argument but I wouldn't swear religiously by it for example - it has Skrtel, Debuchy, Evra and Curtis Davies as the highest rated back four in the PL, which we all know is completely wrong.

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Statistics are used as an element of an argument. One does not only look there and draw final conclusions, but it is a very helpful tool.

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I'm just asking questions about points you're raising. If you don't know then just say.

Stats never tell the whole story and need to be put in context.

You said that he doesn't take set-pieces because he can't deliver them as well as Lallana and Ramirez...does he deliver them better or worse than Steven Davis?

I'm gonna say this one more time before I start to hit the ignore list....

Take it with a grain of salt.

I've watched both Rodriguez and Shaw and there is no comparison between the two in terms of skill set. Luke Shaw has better composure and seems to play without pressure, I like that about him and said as much a few pages ago. I terms of technique and ball skills Rodriguez is without a doubt the better footballer. Shaw hasn't shown me much of anything going forward and hasn't really shown he can pick a pass or boss a flank.

The Shaw hype machine is in overdrive because he's English and comes from a reputable academy. England has made a habit of overhyping their new young stars and next to none of them fulfill the presumed potential. I like Shaw, I hope he proves me wrong don't want him for 30m as I have a feeling it will end up looking like the Andy Carroll signing.

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I'm gonna say this one more time before I start to hit the ignore list....

Take it with a grain of salt.

I've watched both Rodriguez and Shaw and there is no comparison between the two in terms of skill set. Luke Shaw has better composure and seems to play without pressure, I like that about him and said as much a few pages ago. I terms of technique and ball skills Rodriguez is without a doubt the better footballer. Shaw hasn't shown me much of anything going forward and hasn't really shown he can pick a pass or boss a flank.

The Shaw hype machine is in overdrive because he's English and comes from a reputable academy. England has made a habit of overhyping their new young stars and next to none of them fulfill the presumed potential. I like Shaw, I hope he proves me wrong don't want him for 30m as I have a feeling it will end up looking like the Andy Carroll signing.

I don't agree with much of that post, but the comparison to Carroll is absolutely ridiculous. There are no similarities at all as far as I can see.

Factor in the English tax, the fact that Shaw has proven he can handle this league and that he's also a Chelsea supporter and a local lad and the extra £10 million really doesn't seem like that much. The wages are probably a bigger stumbling block.

Both could continue to develop and become excellent players but if we're going the young route then Shaw's the man. If we're not going for him then Luis makes more sense.

Either way people need to actually investigate the stats their using to support their arguments than simply posting them without even knowing if corners are factored into key passes.

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I don't agree with much of that post, but the comparison to Carroll is absolutely ridiculous. There are no similarities at all as far as I can see.

Factor in the English tax, the fact that Shaw has proven he can handle this league and that he's also a Chelsea supporter and a local lad and the extra £10 million really doesn't seem like that much. The wages are probably a bigger stumbling block.

Both could continue to develop and become excellent players but if we're going the young route then Shaw's the man. If we're not going for him then Luis makes more sense.

Either way people need to actually investigate the stats their using to support their arguments than simply posting them without even knowing if corners are factored into key passes.

Wait. Is Andy Carroll not English? Did he not prove at Newcastle he could handle the league? Why is it ridiculous? If Shaw goes for 30m it will be considered as sizeable as Carroll's deal. What has Shaw done to warrant being worthy of a 30m price tag and to be good enough to play on a top 5 team in the world? Being English is not enough for me. If you're worried about the homegrown quota it only states that they need to be in your 25-man roster doesn't say you have to pay over the odds to acquire them and play them in every game.

If Shaw had a reasonable price tag I would prefer him to Rodriguez on account that he loves Chelsea and is homegrown. I refuse to buy into the idea that Chelsea should pay this ridiculous "English tax" especially when England do not produce incredible talent and when we have an academy that is developing some nice looking players. Homegrown talent is better off being club trained than it is purchased, especially when teams like Southampton think someone like Shaw is worth 30m.

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Homegrown talent is better off being club trained than it is purchased, especially when teams like Southampton think some like Shaw is worth 30m.

If we buy Shaw now he'll be considered as 'club trained' in three seasons.

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If we buy Shaw now he'll be considered as 'club trained' in three seasons.

Why does that even matter? Maybe I should've been more specific. I mean Chelsea should look to develop from within rather than purchase English players for prices similar to what we paid for Hazard.

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Wait. Is Andy Carroll not English? Did he not prove at Newcastle he could handle the league? Why is it ridiculous? If Shaw goes for 30m it will be considered as sizeable as Carroll's deal. What has Shaw done to warrant being worthy of a 30m price tag and to be good enough to play on a top 5 team in the world? Being English is not enough for me. If you're worried about the homegrown quota it only states that they need to be in your 25-man roster doesn't say you have to pay over the odds to acquire them and play them in every game.

Carroll wasn't a teenager regarded as one of the best young talents around. He was in good form but the transfer was a panic buy literally at the last-minute which is why he was vastly overpriced.

If Shaw had a reasonable price tag I would prefer him to Rodriguez on account that he loves Chelsea and is homegrown. I refuse to buy into the idea that Chelsea should pay this ridiculous "English tax" especially when England do not produce incredible talent and when we have an academy that is developing some nice looking players. Homegrown talent is better off being club trained than it is purchased, especially when teams like Southampton think someone like Shaw is worth 30m.

And £20 million for Rodriguez is 'reasonable' now is it? Those are the figures being bandied around which makes no sense. Like I said if you want to develop young talent then that's fine - buy a proven top-level left-back like Luis who can have three good seasons whilst we look to develop our own talent like Dasilva or Aina.

Personally I think we either go for Shaw and go all in on him being our left-back for the next 10-12 years or go for a short-term option like Luis. Rodriguez to me has more risk and less potential reward than either of them.

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Carroll wasn't a teenager regarded as one of the best young talents around. He was in good form but the transfer was a panic buy literally at the last-minute which is why he was vastly overpriced.

And £20 million for Rodriguez is 'reasonable' now is it? Those are the figures being bandied around which makes no sense. Like I said if you want to develop young talent then that's fine - buy a proven top-level left-back like Luis who can have three good seasons whilst we look to develop our own talent like Dasilva or Aina.

Personally I think we either go for Shaw and go all in on him being our left-back for the next 10-12 years or go for a short-term option like Luis. Rodriguez to me has more risk and less potential reward than either of them.

So because someone shows promise as a teenager it makes them a 30m player?

I'm hoping we're dealing with £ not € everything I've read has Ricardo rated at €18-20m(£15-16m). And yes given what I've seen he's worth every penny.

Shaw is nothing close to a lock, he is just another in the long list of potential English talent. If we pay 32m for Hazard I see no reason in paying 30m for Shaw... Just doesn't make any sort of financial sense at all. You like him because he's English and is young, likes Chelsea, I have no attachment to the player's origin only to the skill and right now Luke Shaw looks nothing close to a 30m player and there's no guarantee he will ever look like it.