Nemanja Matic

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, xPetrCechx said:

Manchester United set to sign Nemanja Matic from Chelsea for around £40m

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/26/manchester-united-nemanja-matic-chelsea-transfer-jose-mourinho?CMP=twt_gu

Chelsea FC - strengthening title rivals - directly or indirectly - since 2011.

[Styles 9,790]

This is great news. 40m for Matic? Lmaoooooo, daylight robbery.

[Special Juan 28,134]

40M for Matic, so if true on the price we are getting Sandro for 21M

[OhForAGreavsie 6,068]

34 minutes ago, RoyalBlues said:

Hopefully we can hold as long as we can until deadline day or something. See if any other clubs interested on him.

There was a story yesterday of Juve reviving their interest. That 'news' brought a mischievous idea to mind. What if the only truth here is United's denial that they had a agreed a deal with Nemanja? What if the real story is that Nemanja is planned to be a part of any business we do with the old lady? What if Juve are not valuing Nemanja as highly as we are? What if tales of United's interest are designed to get the Italian champions to be more realistic about the Serb's value in any deal?

Lot's of questions; one pure guess.

[Rekin 835]

On the one hand, selling a player that won two PL's as a starter for us to a direct rival feels like something that will haunt us.
On the other hand, Man U will buy a DM/CM regardless, and by going for Matic they get a competent, solid but ultimately limited player that will also make it possible for us to spend more. I much prefer them having Matic than Fabinho. 

To me the question is whether the club sees the £40m as something that goes into the already established targets that we are very close to (Sandro, Bakayoko, Lukaku and possibly VVD), or whether it will be used for yet another player. Selling Matic would leave me a bit worried about midfield width. However, I would also enjoy seeing us target Bernardeschi for the right side. 

Since CFC have targeted Mahrez and Oxlade, it does seem like we are still going for either a RWB or RW (maybe a two in one?). 

[mccg 1,528]

Nemanja Matic Loan deals do count

Manchester Utd 1/10

Juventus 22/1

Bayern Munich 25/1

To Stay at Chelsea (Does not include returning on loan following a permanent deal elsewhere) 11/2

[Dahnald 256]

Lol hell yeah sell him to them and José for fucking 40m hahahaha

Start of the season he was shit, then with the change to 343 he was good next to N'Golo but then he had many poor games and didn't really add anything and Conte could've easily dropped him and played Cesc. 

 

Thank you Nemanja but it's time to go. And this is the perfect scenario. Thank you José FOR EVER OUR SPECIAL ONE HAHAHA 

[Henrique 9,133]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Chelsea FC - strengthening title rivals - directly or indirectly - since 2011.

lol

Matic is just an afroless Fellaini. Can't wait to see Matic-Fellaini-Pogba conquer Europe in few months.

[Beigl 1,387]

It would have been better if he would have gone abroad to say Juventus. I don't like the strengthening of direct rivals, which we have done in recent years. I mean bar Torres we never really buy any players from the top 6 in England. Of course, Matic isn't exactly a top player, but would United sell us Martial for example? I doubt it.

[Peace. 4,352]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

Chelsea FC - strengthening title rivals - directly or indirectly - since 2011.

That is paranoia.

The same was said for Mata — since then we won two PL while Manchester United finished respectively 7th, 5th, 4th and 6th... When de Bruyne signed for Manchester City, it was all doom and dark. They finished 3rd and 4th... The same goes for Sturridge and Gallas — and probably many others that I do forget. Basically, when was the time we let one of our player go to a direct rival and had to pay the price afterward ? Had we been talking about Hazard, such a paranoia could be justified, but come on... People on this forum love to freak out, my word.

Let them have our Serbian Marshal. I am looking forward to see a midfield-three of Matic-Pogba-Fellaini — it will be a sight to behold.

[Barbara 15,149]

lol
Matic is just an afroless Fellaini. Can't wait to see Matic-Fellaini-Pogba conquer Europe in few months.

Like we did with Mata... I still can't get over how much silverware he's led United to collect...


Seriously now, we shipped players that were either declining (Cech), or limited (too many to name, don't want to upset the widows either) to rivals. More often than not with a fat tag price. The board can carry on for all I care if next is Matic for 40m

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Peace. said:

That is paranoia.

The same was said for Mata — since then we won two PL while Manchester United finished respectively 7th, 5th, 4th and 6th... When de Bruyne signed for Manchester City, it was all doom and dark. They finished 3rd and 4th... The same goes for Sturridge and Gallas — and probably many others that I do forget. Basically, when was the time we let one of our player go to a direct rival and had to pay the price afterward ? Had we been talking about Hazard, such a paranoia could be justified, but come on... People on this forum love to freak out, my word.

Let them have our Serbian Marshal. I am looking forward to see a midfield-three of Matic-Pogba-Fellaini — it will be a sight to behold.

It's not about paranoia or how many trophies has the player led the other club to. The bigger point here is I've never been a fan of selling a player to a direct rival, however useful or useless the player is. Take Matic's case as an example. I mean sure, he's an average player and should never be a first choice starter for us. But he's a decent squad player to have and he can come in to a decent job if needed. Now, we're gonna lose that bit of squad depth and strengthen our rivals' squad depth. The 40m bid for someone like Matic is certainly hard to turn down and if we reinvest that to get someone better, then fine. But then again, this is Chelsea we're talking about here. In any case, that part of "helping" out a rival just doesn't sit well with me.

[Peace. 4,352]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

It's not about paranoia or how many trophies has the player led the other club to. The bigger point here is I've never been a fan of selling a player to a direct rival, however useful or useless the player is. Take Matic's case as an example. I mean sure, he's an average player and should never be a first choice starter for us. But he's a decent squad player to have and he can come in to a decent job if needed. Now, we're gonna lose that bit of squad depth and strengthen our rivals' squad depth. The 40m bid for someone like Matic is certainly hard to turn down and if we reinvest that to get someone better, then fine. But then again, this is Chelsea we're talking about here. In any case, that part of "helping" out a rival just doesn't sit well with me.

If we are talking about our best player, then yes it should be mandatory to not sell him to an English team. In any other case, if the offer is good, then we should sell him. The situation with de Bruyne has shown us that doing this kind of calculation is inefective and that if an English team realy wants one of our players, they will buy him anyway one year later from that foreign team. Had we sold him directly to Manchester City, the current situation would have been the same nonetheless — aside of us having 30 million pounds additional in our pockets.

So let's keep Matic, and what will happen ? Manchester United will regardless buy another midfielder — a midfielder that might be better than the Serbian Marshal. And as for us, we will have on our hands a player who is, a fortiori, not desired ; and who thus will waste a place in the squad.

So then let's sell him abroad for a lesser price ! Manchester United will nonetheless get their new midfielder — a midfielder that, once again, might be better than Matic. And if the Madlić of midfielders is truly desired by Manchester United, they will buy him one year later.

End result : at best, they have their midfielder and we win a hefty amount of money ; at worst, they will have their midfielder nonetheless and we will have nothing but a non desired player on our hands. This kind of scheming amounts to pissing in the wind or to try to stop a brook with your bare hands. It is useless, it does not work and is probably a waste of incomes more than anything.

As for the notion of "helping" them, it is highly debatable — if anything, it is more probably a disservice. On the contrary, a real "help" which we could provide them with would be to keep a crippling liability. So let them have their Serbian Marshal as it would not change a damn thing on the big picture and let us get rid of this average player and have good money — and most importantly, let us enjoy intricate interplays between Post-Afro Fellaini and Marshal Matic.

[Peace. 4,352]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

I mean sure, he's an average player and should never be a first choice starter for us. But he's a decent squad player to have and he can come in to a decent job if needed.

And in regards to the usefulness that Marshal Matic could be to us, I beg to differ. On the bench, you need a series of different kinds of player — kinds of player which the Serbian Gliding Machine is not. You need one or two experienced players that can add that little extra thanks to their years of experience at top flight level, but also because their are characters that other less experienced players can rally behind. This is something that can be said of Fabregas (and also explain why he should be on the bench and not in the first team — or Pedro for that matter). This is also why Danni Alves would have been a good player to have.

You also need one or two jack-of-all-trades which can allow you to have flexibility during games and in-between them. And how God, the Serbian Magician is anything but that — actually, aside of maybe Courtois, he is the most unidimensional player we have at our disposal. On the contrary, Pedro, Willian and Alonso nay Moses are players that fit the bill.

Additionally, it is important to have one or two "specialists", that is, a player that has some type of quality in abundance. The best thing would be to have an attacking player with a lot of speed and/or trickeries to add dynamics late in the games where we need to score. On the contrary, a big, tall and strong defensive minded player to close the game when we have to — and that who is a good header as well. The Serbian Control Tower may be tall but he is not strong, nor dynamic or good with his head (and not only to strike the ball !!).

Finally, you need a Super Pipo to nick goals every now and then — and Super Pipo, Super Matic is not.

The Serbian Superstar is none of that. He is a terrible player for the first team and an even more terrible player for the bench. He is a painfully average player with no significant and glaring quality aside of looking gauche ; a player that should play in a midtable team God knows where.

 

[Tomo 21,751]

10 hours ago, TheWiz said:

Potential and Talent can disappar for a while, due to all kinds of Factors ... But they cannot vanish forever ...

You weren't around when Torres was here then?