Myself 793 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Matic is a good player but his biggest weakness is his lack of mobility. Maybe that would be fine if he could compensate by his reading of the game but he cant do that either. ramires proved to be better because he has the legs to intercept their passes.Honestly, id rather have Schneiderlin than Matic anytime of the week.Yo, Scheiderlin is an excellent player and all but over Matic? Nope. DYC. and Stats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaan 263 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 if only ramires would have been a tab bit better passer , him and matic would have been the perfect midfield pair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Too defensive imoIn big games it could be just what we need. Matic could go forward more in other games as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapkun 668 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Yo, Scheiderlin is an excellent player and all but over Matic? Nope.I think he's a superior defensive midfielder to Matic. Morgan is more mobile, stronger tactically and faster at releasing the ball. Nemanja has only looked good against the lower sides, where his lack of speed and mobility is less of an issue. he struggles against fast players and when he's beaten he can't do much about it. His midfield partner in Fabregas is not the most dynamic player either, which is why I think the midfield duo is as much of a problem as the center back duo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Azul 1,615 Posted March 17, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted March 17, 2015 I think he's a superior defensive midfielder to Matic. Morgan is more mobile, stronger tactically and faster at releasing the ball. Nemanja has only looked good against the lower sides, where his lack of speed and mobility is less of an issue. he struggles against fast players and when he's beaten he can't do much about it. His midfield partner in Fabregas is not the most dynamic player either, which is why I think the midfield duo is as much of a problem as the center back duo. Ainsley Harriott, NiclasCFC, Shaan and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think he's a superior defensive midfielder to Matic. Morgan is more mobile, stronger tactically and faster at releasing the ball. Nemanja has only looked good against the lower sides, where his lack of speed and mobility is less of an issue. he struggles against fast players and when he's beaten he can't do much about it. His midfield partner in Fabregas is not the most dynamic player either, which is why I think the midfield duo is as much of a problem as the center back duo.Matic was poor the last two games.He was exceptional against city in several games, he was good in europe, against liverpool etc. Cut the crap and stop bandwagoning Schneiderlin just because we played southampton last weekend and Schneiderlin had better game than Matic who was way below his standards.That said Scheiderlin is quality player, but not better than Matic. Just not.And if we are going for a more defensive CM to pair Matic and Cesc, I hope we go for someone in mould of Vidal then. Faster and mobile, b2b with allround quality.Matic, Schneiderlin and Cesc would be slowest and most immobile midfield of the top sides. Zero creativity. Ut would be good if they parked inside penalty area and defend for 90min though. But some of us want to see more from our team. Thats why we bough Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Costa, Cesc etc. Beigl and manpe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapkun 668 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Matic was poor the last two games.He was exceptional against city in several games, he was good in europe, against liverpool etc.Cut the crap and stop bandwagoning Schneiderlin just because we played southampton last weekend and Schneiderlin had better game than Matic who was way below his standards.That said Scheiderlin is quality player, but not better than Matic. Just not.And if we are going for a more defensive CM to pair Matic and Cesc, I hope we go for someone in mould of Vidal then. Faster and mobile, b2b with allround quality.Matic, Schneiderlin and Cesc would be slowest and most immobile midfield of the top sides. Zero creativity. Ut would be good if they parked inside penalty area and defend for 90min though.But some of us want to see more from our team. Thats why we bough Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Costa, Cesc etc.Good in europe? He was terrible both times against PSG. First leg our midfield had no intensity and no mobility. We could only regain possession deeper in our own half. The second leg, he was decent in the first half but as soon as Oscar was subbed (no pressing) he was being outplayed by Verratti/Matuidi. I could even make a case for the Sporting and Maribor away games, where he allowed them the space to counter. the liverpool games honestly, you could've chosen a better example than those especially in the cup. 34 year old Gerrard was more mobile than Matic and won every challenge, the Sterling/Coutinho duo was running past him like he was non existent. He also got dragged out of position several times trying to track them and opened spaces for Liverpool to exploit.Now my point is not that Matic is bad, far from that. I think he's a good player. but he's not that world class DM people are making him out to be. He's far too slow and immobile. He lacks the tactical awareness to compensate for it too and he forgets to cover for the marauding Ivanovic or gets caught trying to dictate the tempo like he was doing on a consitant basis at the start of the season. Lack of pressing upfront terribly affect his game and he can't steal too many balls when it happens. I think the tactical aspect has a lot to due with the fact that he was previously an attacking midfielder, and generally I feel about Matic that he's more of a deep playmaker like Fabregas rather than a pure n6. His offensive side of the game is really good, and its showing against the lower sides. but I think we need something different against the top sides to have a chance at winning an european trophy.I didn't suggest a midfield of Fabregas Matic Schneiderlin. I said I would rather have Schneiderlin next to Cesc because I think he's a better defensive midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I said I would rather have Schneiderlin next to Cesc because I think he's a better defensive midfielder. Fair enough that's your opinion. I would rather find someone else to partner Matic though, not Fabregas. There is absolutely no reason to replace Matic, that would be imo unnecessary bordering on idiotic. He's been one of our most influential player since we signed him. Matic isn't only a rudimentary defensive midfielder as well, he is incredibly useful in attack too. At times he resembles more a box-to-box midfielder than a standard DM.Long story short: Replacing Matic with Schneiderling would be stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapkun 668 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Fair enough that's your opinion. I would rather find someone else to partner Matic though, not Fabregas. There is absolutely no reason to replace Matic, that would be imo unnecessary bordering on idiotic. He's been one of our most influential player since we signed him. Matic isn't only a rudimentary defensive midfielder as well, he is incredibly useful in attack too. At times he resembles more a box-to-box midfielder than a standard DM.Long story short: Replacing Matic with Schneiderling would be stupid.I wouldn't mind it either if we had a dynamic creative midfielder like Modric, Verratti instead of Fabregas. but we signed him now and its very unlikely that we go for another player. and to be fair to him, he delivered assists and he's improving his defensive side of the game.What I find really worrying though, is that we tried to play Fabregas higher in europe. and the weaknesses of Matic got the better of him. I'm afraid Matic Ramires in the pivot is still not the answer. The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'm the only one who noticed how ridiculous one-footed is Nemanja Matic ? Seriously, I can't compare another midfielder at this level with him. He feels pain whenever he has to play with his right foot. He can break fluids of an attack and also when he does his driving runs forward when the ball rolls to his right, the power action is as good as dead. I find it very problematic. When he finally uses it, the pass has less accuracy and power, even the simple, short one.Maybe you shouldn't read my post, because when once you noticed this, your view will change and you will be uncomfortable with this ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Maybe you shouldn't read my post, because when once you noticed this, your view will change and you will be uncomfortable with this ... What the hell have I just read. dUMB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Tomo 21,751 Posted March 18, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted March 18, 2015 So a bit off bad form from Matic and we are talking about replacing him I know the grass is greener on the other side is a strong philosophy here but this just takes the piss. DYC., kellzfresh, CHOULO19 and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 So a bit off bad form from Matic and we are talking about replacing him I know the grass is greener on the other side is a strong philosophy here but this just takes the piss.What? Where?Seriously. I haven't read the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myself 793 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I wouldn't mind it either if we had a dynamic creative midfielder like Modric, Verratti instead of Fabregas. but we signed him now and its very unlikely that we go for another player. and to be fair to him, he delivered assists and he's improving his defensive side of the game.What I find really worrying though, is that we tried to play Fabregas higher in europe. and the weaknesses of Matic got the better of him. I'm afraid Matic Ramires in the pivot is still not the answer.What. The. Fuck? dUMB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapkun 668 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 So a bit off bad form from Matic and we are talking about replacing him I know the grass is greener on the other side is a strong philosophy here but this just takes the piss.My initial point was that Schneiderlin was better than Matic. If I had the choice to pick, which I don't and which no one on here have, I would choose him over Matic. I'm not suggesting we should sell him or anything, just that there are better players out there. There's nothing wrong with that, as there is nothing wrong with thinking we don't have the best players in every position.I'm not basing my thoughts on the last couple of games only. As I said in my other post, I think he struggles with fast players. It was always there, and it's looking more obvious against the better sides.What. The. Fuck?Anything wrong with that statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Anything wrong with that statement?It's wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,061 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 My initial point was that Schneiderlin was better than Matic. If I had the choice to pick, which I don't and which no one on here have, I would choose him over Matic. I'm not suggesting we should sell him or anything, just that there are better players out there. There's nothing wrong with that, as there is nothing wrong with thinking we don't have the best players in every position.I'm not basing my thoughts on the last couple of games only. As I said in my other post, I think he struggles with fast players. It was always there, and it's looking more obvious against the better sides.If you're not French, you must be in a world of your own. Morgan is a decent DMF, but Matic is a class above IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 So a bit off bad form from Matic and we are talking about replacing him I know the grass is greener on the other side is a strong philosophy here but this just takes the piss.On the other hand, a run of excellent performances and he's the best in the world! We football fans are truly a unique breed... kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapkun 668 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 It's wrong...He had the part where I said dynamic player over Fabregas in bold. I'd understand if he didn't agree with the whole post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 19, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted March 19, 2015 Schneiderlin is a better DM than Matic? My word. Why do you even think so? Can you back that up? Ainsley Harriott, kellzfresh, jeronimo and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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