Koke

[CHOULO19 24,332]

"Pay 60m for a guy who probably wasn't worth a quarter of that last season only to play him out of position? Yeah, let's f***ing do it!"

Sums up most football fans during the transfer window..

[Sidzeret 2,257]

Koke has played 4,5 season of European top level football already whereas Pogba just finished his 2nd season of top-flight football. How is Pogba a "more established CM" than Koke then? Seriously?!

Last time I checked he isn't even a CM.

4-5 years at the top level? Who are you kidding?

[Amblève. 4,995]

Last time I checked he isn't even a CM.

4-5 years at the top level? Who are you kidding?

Whether or not he's a CM is obscurely up for debate. All his attributes indicate that he is more of a central midfielder than an attacking midfielder.

And as for top-flight football...

2013/14: 58 games

2012/13: 48 games

2011/12: 40 games

2010/11: 19 games

2009/19: 4 games (Fair enough if you leave this one out.)

...compared to Pogba's 2 seasons.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Whether or not he's a CM is obscurely up for debate. All his attributes indicate that he is more of a central midfielder than an attacking midfielder.

And as for top-flight football...

2013/14: 58 games

2012/13: 48 games

2011/12: 40 games

2010/11: 19 games

2009/19: 4 games (Fair enough if you leave this one out.)

...compared to Pogba's 2 seasons.

Dude you're living in a dream world if you think Mourinho is gonna pay 50m to Atletico for Koke to play him out of position.

Chelsea play 4-2-3-1 not 4-4-2 or 4-3-3(on occasion sure) We have Oscar, Hazard, Schurrle, Moses, Salah, Willian and Marin under contract mainly because we play 4-2-3-1 we aren't going to abandon that philosophy to accommodate Koke... He hasn't played in the pivot and likely can't, I don't care how many more years he's had at the top flight, Pogba is BY FAR a much better fit to the way WE want to play and the positional need WE have.

I don't get why people here want to spend loads of cash on one player to play him out of position or worse to change the philosophy of the team!

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN PEOPLE, TOO MUCH INVESTMENT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THIS TEAM WHAT IT IS NOW.

Can we start working within the framework of the club at present and stop making these ridiculous claims that don't work with the personnel we've accumulated? If you want to have a no.10 play in the pivot what you're saying is you want Chelsea FC to fire Jose Mourinho.

[Azpinator 2,325]

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN PEOPLE, TOO MUCH INVESTMENT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THIS TEAM WHAT IT IS NOW.

Well, that's convincing!

[Amblève. 4,995]

@Chelsea Legend 11, I'm not advocating to buy either of them because non of them are ideal fits for the position next to Matic. Just can't stand this nonsense that Pogba is a better player than Koke.

[Special Juan 28,122]

@Chelsea Legend 11, I'm not advocating to buy either of them because non of them are ideal fits for the position next to Matic. Just can't stand this nonsense that Pogba is a better player than Koke.

It's all up for debate.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

sell Oscar for a hilarious amount of money to PSG and then sign up Pogba and then we are entering an era when we will dominate.

Until he has one bad season where we'll beg PSG to sign him and we'll take the next flavour of the month

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

@Chelsea Legend 11, I'm not advocating to buy either of them because non of them are ideal fits for the position next to Matic. Just can't stand this nonsense that Pogba is a better player than Koke.

But he is?

[drog.ba 239]

More talented perhaps, but Koke has been better and more consistent this season

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

More talented perhaps, but Koke has been better and more consistent this season

He's basically further developed but not in the role we would use Pogba in.

[Amblève. 4,995]

But he is?

Not yet IMO. Koke's passing and vision are miles ahead of Pobga's; he's more consistent; and his control of the game is superior to Pogba's atm; I like Pogba as a long-term player, he reminds me of Essien, but of the two I think Koke is the player that can come to a new club now and make his team mates better already.

[didierforever 7,349]

Stupid if true.

they paid 28mil for fellaini... did u still have doubts if they were stupid or not!!!

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Not yet IMO. Koke's passing and vision are miles ahead of Pobga's; he's more consistent; and his control of the game is superior to Pogba's atm; I like Pogba as a long-term player, he reminds me of Essien, but of the two I think Koke is the player that can come to a new club now and make his team mates better already.

Again that is largely dependent on what role you envision for the player. I think Pogba would be way more influential in the Pivot than Koke would which is why I would sooner pay 50m for him than Koke. Koke is further along in his development but his skill set does not lend itself to box to box role.

Koke's game is similar to Lavezzi's of you ask me and Pogba is similar to Yaya

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Loving the unappreciative of Koke in here, yes he isn't worth 48m in the same way Pogba isn't worth anything over 35-40m, Shaw 20m...etc. But teams will still have to pay these prices. You know why? Because they don't want to leave at any mean and their clubs don't want to sell as well, well not for acceptable prices. If you don't take inflation into account, Koke is worth 25-30m min in today's market anyway. He is better now than Mata was when he joined us in 2011.

So people not wanting him here because the price is one thing but underrating him is unacceptable. You guys need to understand that just because he doesn't bang them in from 30 yards like Pogba doesn't mean he is shit or average. His crosses are possibly one of the best in Europe atm and we witnessed some of it 1st hand when he hit the bar early on against us, he has been doing that regularly for Atletico-but most of you don't watch Liga so you wouldn't know. Koke is better than Willian, Oscar, Salah and Schurrle atm. I would say he is even on par with Mata/Cazorla based on this season's form.