Viper22 2,418 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Thiago is 10x the player Koke is in just about every aspect but that definitely won't be happening. He'll eventually go back to Barcelona once he gets bored over in Bavaria.He's the type of player we need though, not Koke. I was hoping Fabregas would be that player for us but he lacks the ball security, passing range & defensive nous for that role. Hope we're keeping tabs on Gundogan.InB4 some snarky comment like "Well that's constructive": If you really believe that Thiago is 10x the player that Koke is then I'm afraid you can't be saved or reasoned with. You might as well say Joey Barton is better DM than Matic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 InB4 some snarky comment like "Well that's constructive": If you really believe that Thiago is 10x the player that Koke is then I'm afraid you can't be saved or reasoned with. You might as well say Joey Barton is better DM than Matic.Not sure what's funny exactly? There isn't a single thing Koke does better than Thiago. The latter is widely regarded as the best midfielder in his age group for a reason..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Not sure what's funny exactly? There isn't a single thing Koke does better than Thiago. The latter is widely regarded as the best midfielder in his age group for a reason.....Thiago is definitely quality and better than Koke (IMO if it wasn't for injuries Thiago could possibly be one of the best period in the world in CM) but 10x is way too excessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Koke is a midfielder tailor made for Jose. A player able to fight for every balloon but with a lot tactical sense to distribute the ball.I think his position with us would have to be midfield alongside Matic.Our big problem this season has been our trouble carrying the ball from behind and our game sometimes too predictable. With Koke these problems would disappear and we would have two brains defenitivamente / compasses with him and Fabregas. Definitely a great signing.Thiago is a great player, SPECTACULAR. But perhaps even he has not shown anything because in Barcelona he has always been an eternal promise or the eternal heir to Xavi, Bayern Munich and he has had very bad luck with injuries.I think for the natural quality Thiago Koke is better, but if we see the performance of both and what both have done in recent seasons I think Koke is a player consolidated at the highest level of world football able to play in any team and Thiago remains an eternal promise.Not everything is natural quality, also daily work and effort is required. And Koke has natural quality and a lot, a lot, alot of daily work and daily effort. I vote for Koke.Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I like Koke but 60m€ is way too much.He's very good player but whenever I see him I still say that he's ordinary. Probably he became the best player possible from such ordinariness. He would be good upgrade on Oscar role for Mourinho system, however I just feel paying something around 60m€ for him is wrong by default.Though I think we need 2 midfielders. For me it would be great if we would sell Mikel, Ramires and Oscar and buy Koke, Schneiderlin plus Ruben Loftus-Cheek in their place. That would be big upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Not sure what's funny exactly? There isn't a single thing Koke does better than Thiago. The latter is widely regarded as the best midfielder in his age group for a reason.....i thought your argument against koke in the oscar thread was that people thought koke was good only cos he was "widely regarded" as such a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Not sure what's funny exactly? There isn't a single thing Koke does better than Thiago. The latter is widely regarded as the best midfielder in his age group for a reason.....He does one thing better. Pretty important too, he stays healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 He does one thing better. Pretty important too, he stays healthy.Wow that is so harsh. Thiago had a serious injury on the knee, but it was one injury that got a bit complicated, thats why he came back only after a year.I really think most of the people who talk about Thiago here seen him only once or twice, at best. When people in this forum havent seen a player play, they'll automatically say he isnt all that...try to keep an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Not sure what's funny exactly? There isn't a single thing Koke does better than Thiago. The latter is widely regarded as the best midfielder in his age group for a reason.....I personally think Koke is better. I wouldn't be fussed if someone said Thiago was as good though, he's not a bad player himself. But to claim he's 10x better is ludicrous, that's what's funny. Matic is 10x better than Joey Barton, hence my analogy.One more question, are you Nike in disguise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Wow that is so harsh. Thiago had a serious injury on the knee, but it was one injury that got a bit complicated, thats why he came back only after a year.I really think most of the people who talk about Thiago here seen him only once or twice, at best. When people in this forum havent seen a player play, they'll automatically say he isnt all that...try to keep an open mind.Thiago is obviously more talented. But Koke stays fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 The Thiago on show right now is better than anything I have ever seen Koke produce. I wouldnt say he is 10x better than Koke, but when fit I would say the difference is noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 https://twitter.com/squawka/status/590583733784289280Thats our high keypasses AM we need to get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 IF we sign Koke, you should stop trying to compare between him and Thiago, it's not fair and you will just be dissapointed. It's like the fans who wants Hazard to be as good as Messi and because he's not they always expect more from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Thiago is clearly better technically than Koke, he have a much better quality .... but Koke 22 years has shown many more things than Thiago with 24 years.It's like Salah and Willian (do not take this comparison literally). Maybe Salah is better technically and has more quality than Willian, but Willian has earned a place in our starting eleven while Salah was sleeping.I believe in meritocracy, and the difference between Koke and Thiago has been seen in the grass. And, so far, Koke is better than Thiago.Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 It's like Salah and Willian (do not take this comparison literally). Maybe Salah is better technically and has more quality than Willian, but Willian has earned a place in our starting eleven while Salah was sleeping..What?! Willian is way better technically than Salah, Salah is a donkey in tight spaces, he's better then Willian in dribbling and getting past defenders with his pace, doesn't mean he is good with the ball, Ramires is a good dribbler too.Thiago didn't had the chance to do more than Koke, he couldn't get minutes in Barcelona (Xavi, Iniesta, Cesc) and than after he showed how good he is in Bayern the injury came. We'll agree to disagree I guess, I don't realy like this discussion because Thiago will never be our player...Koke could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterfall 893 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 And Koke is not widely regarded as one of the best players in his age group?I guess you learn new things everyday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 TC never ceases to amaze.I remember back when Diego Costa was a shit player for not being able to score for Spain. Oh and when David Luiz was too expensive and we should have gotten...Simon Kjaer. Victor Moses was a better option than a couple of other players, because he was HG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Thiago for ten matches a season or Koke for nearly all of them. Hard choice tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 What?! Willian is way better technically than Salah, Salah is a donkey in tight spaces, he's better then Willian in dribbling and getting past defenders with his pace, doesn't mean he is good with the ball, Ramires is a good dribbler too.Thiago didn't had the chance to do more than Koke, he couldn't get minutes in Barcelona (Xavi, Iniesta, Cesc) and than after he showed how good he is in Bayern the injury came. We'll agree to disagree I guess, I don't realy like this discussion because Thiago will never be our player...Koke could be.Hi friend!The theme of William and Salah was an example. Now everyone says that Messi is the Argentinean Salah, when Salah did nothing with us. But it was just an example ...They are just different tastes, but Thiago Alcantara has played in Barcelona (probably one of the best teams in history with Guardiola) and Bayern Munich. They are top teams.Instead Koke has made a name in the world playing at Atletico de Madrid. I think it is easier to succeed in Bayern or Barcelona than Atletico.To me Thiago must demonstrate their level. Not only in Youtube videos or what seems he can become. Thiago has to have a continuous performance so we can say he is a great consolidated player.Instead Koke takes three consecutive seasons having a spectacular performance ... not what he can become, Koke is a consolidated reality.Although are just different tastes, no problem...Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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