Koke

[kellzfresh 7,229]

He certainly knows how to hold onto the ball under pressure. That's what I confirmed last night, no one's going to easily nick the ball off him like our midfielders.

But he misplaced some passes too. He certainly misses a runner like costa, Mandzukic was slow as hell and couldn't get onto any pass into space.

[DH1988 1,350]

Wondering how many people are basing their opinion of one game against Madrid last night.

[LondonsFinest 692]

Wondering how many people are basing their opinion of one game against Madrid last night.

Everybody. I said I looked at him at that game, and saw what I was impressed by. People want a number 10 like Mata, who scored and assisted, but truth is, under Mourinho such a number 10 will never flourish, because the team won't be built to the attacking freedom of the number 10. Hence why, Koke is good. He may do what Oscar does, I don't know, but even if he does, yesterday his movement, workrate, passing ability, were miles ahead of Oscar's, and his pace is bigger than Oscar's too. People that are saying he is marginally better than Oscar, should really throw themselves off a cliff, because, I failed to see one missplaced pass in a radius of 20 metres in one match, but I've seen Oscar misplace so many passes, in so many different games, that it was criminal. So please, do not misinterprete the Oscar comparision with an Oscar compliment, please.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Everybody. I said I looked at him at that game, and saw what I was impressed by. People want a number 10 like Mata, who scored and assisted, but truth is, under Mourinho such a number 10 will never flourish, because the team won't be built to the attacking freedom of the number 10. Hence why, Koke is good. He may do what Oscar does, I don't know, but even if he does, yesterday his movement, workrate, passing ability, were miles ahead of Oscar's, and his pace is bigger than Oscar's too. People that are saying he is marginally better than Oscar, should really throw themselves off a cliff, because, I failed to see one missplaced pass in a radius of 20 metres in one match, but I've seen Oscar misplace so many passes, in so many different games, that it was criminal. So please, do not misinterprete the Oscar comparision with an Oscar compliment, please.

Koke is different. He moved around to demand for the ball and keep it moving and pointed out where to pass to his teammates. He is stronger in possession when he is man marked which is fabregas and oscar weakness

[The Skipper 20,609]

Koke is essentially a very rich man's Oscar.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Koke is essentially a very rich man's Oscar.

Nice, did you say this because he wasn't great yesterday night?

If by rich man Oscar means he is fitter, got better work rate, better set piece delivery then I will take that man all day. If you watched Atletico the whole of last 2 seasons then you would know he is possibly the best Spanish CM right now.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

http://www.goal-247.com/ComparePlayers/195/107/Oscar/Koke

SEASON 2014/15

Stats don't tell the whole story, but on the other hand they don't point to what y'all are saying. Oscar has played less minutes, scored more goals, had only 2 less assists, had no errors leading to a goal, had less yellow cards. The only thing Koke truly excels in is MOTM performances.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

http://www.goal-247.com/ComparePlayers/195/107/Oscar/Koke

SEASON 2014/15

Stats don't tell the whole story, but on the other hand they don't point to what y'all are saying. Oscar has played less minutes, scored more goals, had only 2 less assists, had no errors leading to a goal, had less yellow cards. The only thing Koke truly excels in is MOTM performances.

Then we compare tackle wons, crosses, passes...etc then we will notice a difference.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Then we compare tackle wons, crosses, passes...etc then we will notice a difference.

Tbh I don't think Oscar would come out that badly, despite being a CAM as opposed to CM. He can defend well.

On the "ratings" on the website anyway, whatever they are, Oscar still comes out on top on just about everything (except tackling and marking funnily enough). Feel free to prove me wrong though.

[didierforever 7,349]

http://www.goal-247.com/ComparePlayers/195/107/Oscar/Koke

SEASON 2014/15

Stats don't tell the whole story, but on the other hand they don't point to what y'all are saying. Oscar has played less minutes, scored more goals, had only 2 less assists, had no errors leading to a goal, had less yellow cards. The only thing Koke truly excels in is MOTM performances.

how valid those stats are can be seen by the very small stat like MOTM at the end of that pic. oscar has 1 MOTM while KOKE even being lesser on most of the stats has 3. thats how useful stats are.

[didierforever 7,349]

http://www.goal-247.com/ComparePlayers/195/107/Oscar/Koke

SEASON 2014/15

Stats don't tell the whole story, but on the other hand they don't point to what y'all are saying. Oscar has played less minutes, scored more goals, had only 2 less assists, had no errors leading to a goal, had less yellow cards. The only thing Koke truly excels in is MOTM performances.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/koke/profil/spieler/74229

http://www.transfermarkt.com/oscar/profil/spieler/85314

koke - 4goals, 17 assists - 3471 minutes - 165 minutes/goalandassist

oscar - 7 goals, 8 assists, 2683 minutes - 179 minutes/goalandassist

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/41065

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/80764

koke - 2.7 tackles/game, 1.2 interceptions/game, 0.9 clearances/game, 2keypasses/game, (i would not included crosses as koke plays as a winger so it would be a bit unfair on oscar)

oscar - 1.8 tackles/game, 0.5 interceptions/game, 1 clearance/game, 1.2 keypasses/game

i mean i honestly cant find a proper stat which makes oscar better than koke. and if you actually watch koke play over the course of a season (and not 1 0-0 match against RM), you would find that he has much better hold up play, vision, passing range, set piece delivery and most importantly does not dwell on the ball (something which oscar, cesc, hazard and willian are very guilty of).

[JaKstone 307]

Beside all this discussion about comparing them i'd really wonder what some of the Oscar bashers would say if we get Koke and he end's up on a rough path like the former.

I can already see the same people bashing him also And yes before someone mentions or saying Koke will not end on a rought path, well just keep telling that to yourself because every player in the world will go in that state at some point and tries to get back up.

[iseah100 5,612]

Beside all this discussion about comparing them i'd really wonder what some of the Oscar bashers would say if we get Koke and he end's up on a rough path like the former.

I can already see the same people bashing him also [emoji14]h34r: And yes before someone mentions or saying Koke will not end on a rought path, well just keep telling that to yourself because every player in the world will go in that state at some point and tries to get back up.

They will say we should have gotten Pogba.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Nice, did you say this because he wasn't great yesterday night?

If by rich man Oscar means he is fitter, got better work rate, better set piece delivery then I will take that man all day. If you watched Atletico the whole of last 2 seasons then you would know he is possibly the best Spanish CM right now.

I didn't even watch the game yesterday.

[TheIceMan 596]

to similliar to fabregas IMO, rather Pogba!

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Wondering how many people are basing their opinion of one game against Madrid last night.

It's not a terrible place to draw from since we want players capable of playing well on big stages.

I'm basing my conclusions on his lack of pace and also his average pass completion rate. he's a good player, no one will ever say that he isn't. but I personally don't see him as exceptional.

[Waterfall 893]

So you think people should stop talking about him here because it's possible he won't leave? I think we all know that.

I didn't say people should stop talking about him. I'm just saying pencilling him in a day 1 starter for us next season is just as wishful thinking as Lionel Messi joining us.

[didierforever 7,349]

They will say we should have gotten Pogba.

whats weird is that costa went through the "patch" and no one "bashed" him, cesc went through the patch and people commented on his late season syndrome but i did not see any "bashing". same goes with matic for a certain extent and i dont see any bashing.

the problem is the posters like "suckmypsg" really like to generalize stuff and keep on posting stupid things just to protect their favourite player.

so no, i dont think any one will "bash" koke if we get him and he goes through a bad spell. we ll stick behind him till he finds his form or if he keeps giving his 100% on the field (and there are a few players who might not be anywhere near the best players in the world or even in that position like GC, iva, willian and rambo but people do give them their due respect cos they give their 100% for the team and dont take their place for guaranteed). but somehow all of this is ignored by posters like "suckmydickpsg" just so that they can defend their oscar.

[supporter 3,088]

From Spain: AS.

Mourinho wants to take Koke to Chelsea for next season.

The Chelsea sporting director watched the Atléti star in Málaga. Paying the player's release clause, which is close to 60 million euros, will be the only way to enter discussions with the player.

http://as.com/diarioas/2015/04/20/english/1429513704_590514.html

Regards.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Should be interesting to see what happens. Honestly despite denying it I can see Luis departing, sadly. Probably Ake will be LB cover next season.