No.10 Role

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Ryan, from previous posts i thought you had a good understanding of what Mourinho was all about, in what world was is he ever going to make a more possession based team?

You all also have to realize that Mourinho tends to lie, never take anything he says to face value, or what most people say for that matter. There has to be critical thinking involved. Judging from his attitude history, his history as a manager, his history as a tactician, many could see Juan Mata's departure as a very possible possibility before the season even started.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/09/17/new-managers-mourinho-at-chelsea/

The Conclusion is that the man is not going to build much of anything in chelsea.

Mourinho likes his teams set up a certain way, his midfield atm @ chelsea has no comparison to what he had in his cl winning inter and pl winning chelsea.

Juan Mata is as good as gone imo.

Look at those teams lol. He had Drogba, Milito, Eto'o all during their best times as players.

Lampard, Essien, Makalele, Carvalho, Terry lol

Pandev, Sneijder, Cambiasso, Motta,

That Zonal Marking is so spot on when it says that his mourinho job is more about implementing his old ideas. He is not going to adjust towards his players and change his way of playing, he is going to try to get his players to always play what he has in mind.

Thats what he did in Madrid and he failed, time to see how it goes at chelsea, but he isnt winning a cl with that defense or midfield imo.

[OneMoSalah 8,887]

Ryan, from previous posts i thought you had a good understanding of what Mourinho was all about, in what world was is he ever going to make a more possession based team?

You all also have to realize that Mourinho tends to lie, never take anything he says to face value, or what most people say for that matter. There has to be critical thinking involved. Judging from his attitude history, his history as a manager, his history as a tactician, many could see Juan Mata's departure as a very possible possibility before the season even started.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/09/17/new-managers-mourinho-at-chelsea/

The Conclusion is that the man is not going to build much of anything in chelsea.

Mourinho likes his teams set up a certain way, his midfield atm @ chelsea has no comparison to what he had in his cl winning inter and pl winning chelsea.

Juan Mata is as good as gone imo.

Yes but he keeps mentioning we aren't winning games due to 'the change in style' and other stuff, if he's so intent on blaming our losses on this changing in style you'd think players like Mata would be playing every game from the start as he can create something from nothing, he is the creative force in our team, I get what he wants from his #10 defensively but he has the ask himself does Oscar create enough chances offensively? He simply doesn't. He links better with the pivot, always makes himself available to the ball which means the team has more options in possession but he still lacks that bit of magic.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

He doesnt want to bother with players he doesnt like. He wants his team to start going towards HIS direction.

Same thing happened in Madrid.

Sergio Canales and Nuri Sahin are two prime examples.

Everything else he might say is more likely than not, horse crap.

He said the same thing when Barca scored 5 against Madrid. His excuse was that Madrid was still a young team. It takes a lot of fail to set up a team for failure like he did in that match.

Mourinho excuses.

[Barbara 15,149]

I think the question is so much deeper than who's the best #10. As if that was any question to start with.

The real question is who's the best working #10 for us as a team, as a unit, results wise, competitiveness wise. That's the question I don't have an answer to because obviously Mata is the best #10. But is a pure #10 what works better for us now?

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Both at the same time.

Lets get it staright, Oscar love José, José loves Oscar, Oscar is good at this position, Mata wont have a chance if Oscar's level is still that good.Mata for me, should be the N°10 if we play more of a 4411.If we continue with this way, than Oscar will stay as the starter, and Juan will play on both wings, ultimately, I think Mourinho will replace Lampard with Oscar and Juan will be the N10 again, question of time only.Injuries will come, and I sure Juan will play a big role this season.

[Styles 9,790]

Against the very good teams and in the big/important games I want Oscar in the team playing in his best position. What that means for Mata I don't know.

I saw Oscar playing wide last season and it's not something I want to see ever again. It's an absolute waste of his talent, Mourinho is right; I don't want to watch Oscar tracking fullbacks.

[OneMoSalah 8,887]

Mourinho basically pinning blame of the Basel defeat on Mata's substitution is dirty as fuck in my eyes too, saying he had duties to do, if he had duties to do (I'm guessing defensive duties) why stick him on when its only 1-0 if you want him to do defensive duties... Jose picks Lampard more or less every week and he does fuck all defensively... we lose a lot of balance with Lampard and Mata in the same team but if you say put Ramires with Mikel with Mata we aren't as bad then in terms of balance. You build around your best players, so you should be prepared to find solutions to combat their weaknesses.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Oscar's my No 10, Mata must get used to it! Mourinho's Chelsea revamp plans will not be derailed by successive losses as he reveals Brazilian is his first-choice

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2427361/Jose-Mourinho-tells-Mata-Oscar-choice-No-10-Chelsea.html

Wow are the quotes in that article true?

[OneMoSalah 8,887]

Against the very good teams and in the big/important games I want Oscar in the team playing in his best position. What that means for Mata I don't know.

I saw Oscar playing wide last season and it's not something I want to see ever again. It's an absolute waste of his talent, Mourinho is right; I don't want to watch Oscar tracking fullbacks.

Do you want to watch Mata tracking fullbacks? No of course you don't! Oscars work rate and defensive skills are better suited to playing on the wing than Mata's imo. He does more in that sense. Rafa seen this, played Oscar on the right, sure his offensive contribution sucked but Mata playing in the middle, his offensive contribution made up for it. Remember that 3-1 game under AVB at Old Trafford? Nani and Rafael were basically 2 v 1 on Cole every time as Mata was LW. Its difficult, hopefully Mourinho will rotate both though so they get a fair share of games each in that central position.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

Wow are the quotes in that article true?

If they weren't then he could technically sue them. So I think they are.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

If they weren't then he could technically sue them. So I think they are.

Daily fail has lied to me before, and they get off long as they get some low paid backroom editor to "apologize".

If they are true then Mata is more than likely done here. Especially if he views his lack of work caused the defeat.

[Jase 43,479]

Daily fail has lied to me before, and they get off long as they get some low paid backroom editor to "apologize".

If they are true then Mata is more than likely done here. Especially if he views his lack of work caused the defeat.

Don't think a news source can even fabricate that many quotes out. 1 or 2 a possibility but certainly not that amount.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Another clear thing is that Mourinho clearly says he won't play Oscar in the pivot when he compares the situation of both Oscar and Ramires closing down opponents on each side while Mata plays behind the striker with freedom to do his magic vs Oscar playing #10 and it fitting the system he has in mind.

Are you sure? i thought he speaks about Oscar and Ramires on the wings. thats what he said:

“One thing is to play with Ramires and Oscar in the side, them closing each flank".

I thought he means he didnt liked to see Ramires and Oscar playing on the wings, what happend last season.

But when he speaks about Oscar as the no 10 that way, it surely means he wont play in the pivot. So... come on KDB? save us?

[Blue Armour 4,453]

Mata CAN adapt. Between Oscar and Mata, Juan is a better winger. Can Mata play as a better no. 10 than Oscar? Maybe. But he's more of a wide player than the Brazilian is.

Case closed.

[couris 232]

Fire Jose before selling Mata.

[Barbara 15,149]

Are you sure? i thought he speaks about Oscar and Ramires on the wings. thats what he said:

“One thing is to play with Ramires and Oscar in the side, them closing each flank".

I thought he means he didnt liked to see Ramires and Oscar playing on the wings, what happend last season.

But when he speaks about Oscar as the no 10 that way, it surely means he wont play in the pivot. So... come on KDB? save us?

why would he play Ramires and Oscar in the wings in a squad that has such amazing wingers such us Kevin, André and Willian?

It makes no sense. Also later on he goes on about not moving Oscar to track down FBs

then he also says:

"But only when [Mata] adapts to what we want. I'm not ready to ask Oscar to track opposing full-backs. Brazil has more talented players in the No10 position than any other country in the world, and he plays there for the national team, so I want to build with Oscar as my No10. I want the other two players, from the side, to adapt to that reality and learn how to do things they were not ready to do before.

It could be the wing he's writing off - as you suggested, but the main point he's making repeatedly is that he's building the team around Oscar as a #10. Winger or DM seem out of his plans and thanks God for both. I completely agree with him on both things. Either Oscar is a CAM or he's in the bench

[Strike 7,522]

I think this talk of Oscar contributing more defensively should only be a factor against energetic sides like Dortmund where players have to fall back quickly after an attack. against your average pub teams - Mata definitely. Far better in playing the final ball

[Rmpr 8,977]

I don't really get it either. Yes, Mata is not in form, but it is absolutely impossible to gain form by playing out of position and only once every few games. Oscar is a more balanced player but you can see what we're missing from last season without Mata. We simply don't have near the same creativity that we have when Mata is going. Oscar is a more balanced player but is not near the creator that Mata is. I think you can get away with less creativity in the middle if we had real wingers who stretch the defense or someone like Rooney who is a very creative striker, but right now we have the same issue as last year where players just crowd the middle of the pitch so we are too easy to defend against.

Oscar was fantastic against Hull and against Basel but apart from that has been pretty poor so I'm not sure where this "fantastic form" stuff comes from for him. He has 6 total chances created in the Premier League this season which is half of Hazard, the same as Ramires and one more than Lampard despite playing in the position that lends itself to creating the most. (Mata created 2.7 chances a game last season for example. Oscar is at 1.5) He's also gone down from 2.5 tackles a game to 0.8. Whoscored has him as our 8th best player so far and Squawka as our 7th. We've all seen what he's capable of, but he has to improve significantly offensively which is very possible given his age and natural skills.

Totally wrong! Our creativity problem does not come from Oscar, it comes from the wingers!

Oscar is doing a hell of a job as a #10 and there is no reason to bench him, sorry. Mourinho knows we lose a bit of creativity by playing the Brazilian, but what we gain in other areas more than compensate it.

Chelsea is playing bad, but just because Mata is on the bench, people start thinking the problem is at CAM, when there are problems everywhere but in this position.

The Mata we know would not have saved us from losing to Basel, so all that is written there makes no sense....

[Strike 7,522]

Oscar was fantastic against Hull and against Basel but apart from that has been pretty poor so I'm not sure where this "fantastic form" stuff comes from for him. He has 6 total chances created in the Premier League this season which is half of Hazard, the same as Ramires and one more than Lampard despite playing in the position that lends itself to creating the most. (Mata created 2.7 chances a game last season for example. Oscar is at 1.5) He's also gone down from 2.5 tackles a game to 0.8. Whoscored has him as our 8th best player so far and Squawka as our 7th. We've all seen what he's capable of, but he has to improve significantly offensively which is very possible given his age and natural skills.

I disagree. He had a good game vs Bayern too, Only time he wasn't effective was against Villa and in the last few mins against Everton. Otherwise he's had a good start to the season. "Fantastic" maybe overstating a bit but he hasn't been as bad as you're making it out to be

[Rmpr 8,977]

I think this talk of Oscar contributing more defensively should only be a factor against energetic sides like Dortmund where players have to fall back quickly after an attack. In most games - Mata definitely. Far better in playing the final ball

Not really, Mata and Oscar are not so far apart in creativity as many think, the difference is that Mata is flashy and Oscar is a classy shy playmaker.

Also, in the stage we are in, any defensive help we may get is highly beneficial (no matter who the opponent is). Hazard has been a ghost lately, Eto'o and Lampard are old Ramires likes to give up some easy possessions. Now, if you add Mata to the mix, we will be basically starting every game 0-1.

What baffles me is that it looks like people in here havent watched our games. Yes we are looking very bad, but if there is one position where we are more than fine (starting position and bench) is at the #10 spot. I dont see any reason to discuss that. Oscar is the guy Mourinho wants to play and he is handling the job quite well, so end of story.

When he gets tired and/or start having a couple of bad games, it will be time for us to put Mata on the game. But for now, our focus should be improving other very worrying areas so we can win games...