Willian

[lucio 5,418]

the reality is, he's dogshit and had pedro been fit the last 2 games, we'd be 4 points better off.

[Stats 7,055]

Again, people just talking absolute nonsense. He is not world class. Is he a valuable squad player? Yes, he is. He has his flaws but people saying he needs to be offloaded asap are just blurting out nonsense. We will see why we will need him over the season. He can frustrate however he is a very useful addition to have in the squad.

[LAM09 6,744]

Again, people just talking absolute nonsense. He is not world class. Is he a valuable squad player? Yes, he is. He has his flaws but people saying he needs to be offloaded asap are just blurting out nonsense. We will see why we will need him over the season. He can frustrate however he is a very useful addition to have in the squad.

We don't need someone that has suddenly found a voice and offers little end product on a good day.

He obviously needed as we're short on winger. Getting shot of him is the best option.

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2 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

We don't need someone that has suddenly found a voice and offers little end product on a good day.

He obviously needed as we're short on winger. Getting shot of him is the best option.

He is inconsistent but a very valuable squad player and one, most teams would love to have, hence why Barca made a huge bid for him. I know what will happen anyway, he will return to form and then you will get all the knee-jerks changing opinions once again.

[LAM09 6,744]

He is inconsistent but a very valuable squad player and one, most teams would love to have, hence why Barca made a huge bid for him. I know what will happen anyway, he will return to form and then you will get all the knee-jerks changing opinions once again.

More like Pedro will regain his place. Willian on form is Hazard on a off day.

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4 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

 

 

More like Pedro will regain his place. Willian on form is Hazard on a off day.

 

They will both be rotated, believe me. Either way does not change the fact that he is a valuable squad player, hence why Sarri was not selling under any cost.

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2 hours ago, Stats said:

Again, people just talking absolute nonsense. He is not world class. Is he a valuable squad player? Yes, he is. He has his flaws but people saying he needs to be offloaded asap are just blurting out nonsense. We will see why we will need him over the season. He can frustrate however he is a very useful addition to have in the squad.

We were absolute numpty cunts to turn down £65m for him. We could have the bought a better, younger RW. Bailey, Malcom (who Barca bought for only £37m after we told them to piss off over Willian). We could have tried a swap deal with Manure (Martial for Willian plus a few quid and maybe had our striker situ sorted now). Pulisic, Suso, Florian Thauvin (6 goals, 3 assists in first 8 games) etc. were also out there. Ousmane Dembélé even was THEN an option. Barca wanted £90m, £45m LESS then they paid for him. Now he has exploded (5 goals in first 7 games, spectacular goals) and looks like he will indeed be the superstar they paid insane money for. Zero chance they sell him.

Bottom line, Willian is a toxic 30yo twat, and a squad player like him is so NOT worth £65m. I have made my peace with Luiz and all the rest of the team (except Morata). NOT Willian. He and Alvaro need to go go go. I am gobsmacked Sarri gave Willian the armband a few matches back. Shameful.

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Just now, Vesper said:

We were absolute numpty cunts to turn down £65m for him. We could have the bought a better, younger RW. Bailey, Malcom (who Barca bought for only £37m after we told them to piss off over Willian). We could have tried a swap deal with Manure (Martial for Willian plus a few quid and maybe had our striker situ sorted now). Pulisic, Suso, Florian Thauvin (6 goals, 3 assists in first 8 games) etc. were also out there. Ousmane Dembélé even was THEN an option. Barca wanted £90m, £45m LESS then they paid for him. Now he has exploded (5 goals in first 7 games, spectacular goals) and looks like he will indeed be the superstar they paid insane money for. Zero chance they sell him.

Bottom line, Willian is a toxic 30yo twat, and a squad player like him is so NOT worth £65m. I have made my peace with Luiz and all the rest of the team (except Morata). NOT Willian. He and Alvaro need to go go go. I am gobsmacked Sarri gave Willian the armband a few matches back. Shameful.

This is not Football Manager or FIFA. You blurt players names out as if it is easy to lure them away. What was Thauvin like when he last was in the PL? Absolute shit. Suso wouldn't suit the way Sarri is playing right now imo. Pulisic was not going to leave, despite the rumours. Bailey, I wanted us to get him but again there is no guarantees to say he will be a instant success in the PL. Dembele was never an option nor Barca was ever going to sell a player they invested over £100m on. LOL. Let's be serious. Marital over Willian? He has not done anything noteworthy for a while. Why would we need to swap him. Think there still is a lot to come from Martial. but did we need him to replace Willian? No... he has been worse than Willian for the last few seasons.

And what has he done to make you call him a twat? Because of him stating his training preferences?.... 

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19 minutes ago, Stats said:

This is not Football Manager or FIFA. You blurt players names out as if it is easy to lure them away. What was Thauvin like when he last was in the PL? Absolute shit. Suso wouldn't suit the way Sarri is playing right now imo. Pulisic was not going to leave, despite the rumours. Bailey, I wanted us to get him but again there is no guarantees to say he will be a instant success in the PL. Dembele was never an option nor Barca was ever going to sell a player they invested over £100m on. LOL. Let's be serious. Marital over Willian? He has not done anything noteworthy for a while. Why would we need to swap him. Think there still is a lot to come from Martial. but did we need him to replace Willian? No... he has been worse than Willian for the last few seasons.

And what has he done to make you call him a twat? Because of him stating his training preferences?.... 

Number one, I do NOT blurt out anything. 

Martial was for striker, I have less interest in him as a winger, and your Football Manager / FIFA references are a sign of a weak argument. I have never played either, never will, and deals ARE done all the time. Willian needs to go.I have had Bailey as number one option for over a year now.

Don't try to play semantic games like Willian is "just expressing training preferences" or infer this is a one off. He has been a bad apple for years.

BTW Alonso was SHITE in the EPL too the first time around, as were many other great players who came back.

 

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70m everybody. 70 fucking million.

[lucio 5,418]

2 hours ago, Stats said:

They will both be rotated, believe me. Either way does not change the fact that he is a valuable squad player, hence why Sarri was not selling under any cost.

world class players are not sold at any cost, valuable squad players are expendable and can be replaced or upgraded easily

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Number one, I do NOT blurt out anything. 

Martial was for striker, I have less interest in him as a winger, and your Football Manager / FIFA references are a sign of a weak argument. I have never played either, never will, and deals ARE done all the time. Willian needs to go.I have had Bailey as number one option for over a year now.

Don't try to play semantic games like Willian is "just expressing training preferences" or infer this is a one off. He has been a bad apple for years.

BTW Alonso was SHITE in the EPL too the first time around, as were many other great players who came back.

 

I am not criticizing you as I do like reading your posts (sometimes) :D. But you do sometimes state way too many transfer suggestions that are unrealistic. 

I am a fan of Martial, however he has been way too inconsistent for the last few seasons.

And Thauvin is performing in a much inferior league. He would come here and be out his depth.

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33 minutes ago, Stats said:

I am not criticizing you as I do like reading your posts (sometimes) :D. But you do sometimes state way too many transfer suggestions that are unrealistic. 

I am a fan of Martial, however he has been way too inconsistent for the last few seasons.

And Thauvin is performing in a much inferior league. He would come here and be out his depth.

Thauvin is far from my main choice. I don't think he is a bad as some here think. I do fully believe in Leon Bailey. IMHO (and a plethora of others) we do need to upgrade from Willian. If (for some reason) we sold Pedro I suppose I could live with Willian as the backup, but given how tight the board is with cash (other than bollocksed up Courtois deal forcing a huge spend on Kepa) it just seemed madness to turn down £65m for a 30yo winger who (again in my humble opinion) is simply not good enough and doesn't fit the Sarriball system well. He also will soon spiral downwards due to age, and I think it madness to give him an extension until he is 33 to 35.

I also have (obviously) issues with his temperament. I think he is one of the biggest weaknesses we have.

I just hope the board finally starts to clear out some of the deadwood so we can fund buying some much needed upgrades (Striker, RW being the two biggest). We can surely start with unloading 2 horrific buys, Bakayoko and the mind-numbingly stupid purchase of Drinkwater. We also have to deal with the probable Kovacic (RM pulling him back) then Hazard/CHO (if they dont renew) nightmares.

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5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Thauvin is far from my main choice. I don't think he is a bad as some here think. I do fully believe in Leon Bailey. IMHO (and a plethora of others) we do need to upgrade from Willian. If (for some reason) we sold Pedro I suppose I could live with Willian as the backup, but given how tight the board is with cash (other than bollocksed up Courtois deal forcing a huge spend on Kepa) it just seemed madness to turn down £65m for a 30yo winger who (again in my humble opinion) is simply not good enough and doesn't fit the Sarriball system well. He also will soon spiral downwards due to age, and I think it madness to give him an extension until he is 33 to 35.

I also have (obviously) issues with his temperament. I think he is one of the biggest weaknesses we have.

I just hope the board finally starts to clear out some of the deadwood so we can fund buying some much needed upgrades (Striker, RW being the two biggest). We can surely start with unloading 2 horrific buys, Bakayoko and the mind-numbingly stupid purchase of Drinkwater. We also have to deal with the probable Kovacic (RM pulling him back) then Hazard/CHO (if they dont renew) nightmares.

Unfortunately, unless Drinkwater agrees to a wage cut, I don't see us offloading him. Maybe we can but we would have to pay part of his wages because no team will play hiss full wages. What a life eh? Getting paid at least £90k p/w (maybe more) to just train.

[Vesper 28,803]

£120,000 per week! arfffffff SAME AS KANTE

Only players who make more pw are Kepa, Cesc and Eden!

Chelsea Players Salaries 2018/19

Player    Age    Weekly wage    Deal    Contract until

Jorginho    26    £102,000    New signing!    2023-06-30
Kepa Arrizabalaga    23    £192,000    New signing!    2025-06-30
Willy Caballero    35    £40,000        2018-06-30
Robert Green    38         New signing!    2019-06-30
Emerson Palmieri    23    £75,000        2022-06-30
Olivier Giroud    31    £120,000        2019-06-30
Ross Barkley    24    £90,000        2023-06-30
Andreas Christensen    21    £35,000         2020-06-30
Gary Cahill    31    £100,000         2019-06-30
David Luiz    30    £120,000         2019-06-30
Antonio Rüdiger    24    £90,000        2022-06-30
Marcos Alonso     26    £90,000         2021-06-30
César Azpilicueta    27    £100,000         2020-06-30
Davide Zappacosta    25    £45,000        2021-06-30
Kenedy    21    £25,000         2020-06-30
Victor Moses    26    £75,000         2021-06-30
Danny Drinkwater    26    £120,000        2022-06-30
Cesc Fàbregas    30    £156,000         2019-06-30
Mateo Kovacic    24    75,000    LOAN    2019-06-30
N’Golo Kanté    26    £120,000         2021-06-30
Eden Hazard    26    £200,000         2020-06-30
Willian    29    £120,000         2020-06-30
Pedro    30    £100,000         2020-06-30
Alvaro Morata    24    £100,000        2022-06-30
Michy Batshuayi    23    £90,000         2021-06-30

 

wtf were we thinking????????

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6 hours ago, Vesper said:

£120,000 per week! arfffffff SAME AS KANTE

Only players who make more pw are Kepa, Cesc and Eden!

Chelsea Players Salaries 2018/19

Player    Age    Weekly wage    Deal    Contract until

Jorginho    26    £102,000    New signing!    2023-06-30
Kepa Arrizabalaga    23    £192,000    New signing!    2025-06-30
Willy Caballero    35    £40,000        2018-06-30
Robert Green    38         New signing!    2019-06-30
Emerson Palmieri    23    £75,000        2022-06-30
Olivier Giroud    31    £120,000        2019-06-30
Ross Barkley    24    £90,000        2023-06-30
Andreas Christensen    21    £35,000         2020-06-30
Gary Cahill    31    £100,000         2019-06-30
David Luiz    30    £120,000         2019-06-30
Antonio Rüdiger    24    £90,000        2022-06-30
Marcos Alonso     26    £90,000         2021-06-30
César Azpilicueta    27    £100,000         2020-06-30
Davide Zappacosta    25    £45,000        2021-06-30
Kenedy    21    £25,000         2020-06-30
Victor Moses    26    £75,000         2021-06-30
Danny Drinkwater    26    £120,000        2022-06-30
Cesc Fàbregas    30    £156,000         2019-06-30
Mateo Kovacic    24    75,000    LOAN    2019-06-30
N’Golo Kanté    26    £120,000         2021-06-30
Eden Hazard    26    £200,000         2020-06-30
Willian    29    £120,000         2020-06-30
Pedro    30    £100,000         2020-06-30
Alvaro Morata    24    £100,000        2022-06-30
Michy Batshuayi    23    £90,000         2021-06-30

 

wtf were we thinking????????

Heh That is the cost of a bench warmer who will never complain (high wages)... mikel was similar wages and of similar overall quality imo. At least DW is homegrown.

against the very poor Southampton side, where we had an overall good team game, Willian was once again the exception by misplacing a lot of easy passes. He gave the ball away in dangerous position and also produced very little in attack.

[Vesper 28,803]

47 minutes ago, Robguima said:

Heh That is the cost of a bench warmer who will never complain (high wages)... mikel was similar wages and of similar overall quality imo. At least DW is homegrown.

against the very poor Southampton side, where we had an overall good team game, Willian was once again the exception by misplacing a lot of easy passes. He gave the ball away in dangerous position and also produced very little in attack.

If we wanted another English CMF, we should have bought Lewis Cook from Bournemouth. 7 years younger than Drinkwater and a quarter of his wages (only £30,000 PW). A better player potentially too.

And no, I do not want to buy Lewis Cook. I just want DD sold.

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4 hours ago, Vesper said:

If we wanted another English CMF, we should have bought Lewis Cook from Bournemouth. 7 years younger than Drinkwater and a quarter of his wages (only £30,000 PW). A better player potentially too.

And no, I do not want to buy Lewis Cook. I just want DD sold.

Like Sats above pointed out, you can't sell him. His value is negative because of the wages you posted. All we can do is move him while still paying for his high wages, which does not make a whole lot of sense either.

Welcome to the club - wanted mikel sold for years and nothing. Heard it all: plays a role, does a job, dependable, etc... You will hear all that before DD is gone one way or another.

No, considering Barkley and RLF, signing DD, and especially Bakayoko, did not make much sense to me either, but it did to some folks who happen to call the shots at chelsea FC.