Willian

[Jase 43,479]

Wait.. Mata? i thought we're talking about why Oscar plays this season, why he gets the nod over Salah, Cuadrado and Schurrle. You mixed it up a little.

Its well known that Oscar played instead of Mata because of the issues you mentioned - workrate, tactical discpline, providing balance. And off course those things also helped him in getting game time this season too, but imo its not the main or at least not the only reason.

I mentioned Mata in relation to your point about Oscar only plays because he's technically better. I simply disagree with that.

And as for Schurrle, i dont think illness was the issue, i always thought it will end with him sooner or later. Never really fitted imo. Yeah he got some goals last season, but didnt played well through games and that hurt us.

The illness will obviously end but the issue is, how much did it affect Schurrle? Judging from what he and Mourinho said, it seems to be a lot. Was always going to need time to get going again.

And didn't play well through games and that hurt us? That's somewhat ironic.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

I mentioned Mata in relation to your point about Oscar only plays because he's technically better. I simply disagree with that.

And didn't play well through games and that hurt us? That's somewhat ironic.

1. Ok, although i dont think it was a necessary mention when we talked about this season, not about Mata-Oscar. We talked why Oscar starts over those 3 players. And i never said "only because", i said the opposite. Never mind.

And you simply disagree with what? "he's starting over others this season because he's technically better"? thats the only thing i said, no Mata talk or anything.

2. DIdnt get whats ironic. Lets not turn it into a childish battle, im not into it, if you want to add something to the discussion just add it.

[Jase 43,479]

1. Ok, although i dont think it was a necessary mention when we talked about this season, not about Mata-Oscar. We talked why Oscar starts over those 3 players. And i never said "only because", i said the opposite. Never mind.

And you simply disagree with what? he's starting over others this season because he's technically better? thats the only thing i said, no Mata talk or anything.

2. DIdnt get whats ironic. Lets not turn it into a childish battle, im not into it, if you want to add something to the discussion just add it.

Not turning it into a childish battle. Just funny when you said "didn't play well through games and that hurt us" in a discussion involving Oscar.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Not turning it into a childish battle. Just funny when you said "didn't play well through games and that hurt us" in a discussion involving Oscar.

Get it, i see the irony. But Oscar imo hurt us less, because he's technically better.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

When the possibility of Cuadrado joining Chelsea was a mere rumour, I already thought Willian was the better player. So this is not a case of judging too quickly. He'll obviously do better with time, but not better than Willian imo.

You're being too presumptuous but that's your prerogative...

[The Skipper 20,593]

You're being too presumptuous but that's your prerogative...

What's wrong with rating Willian higher than Cuadrado? Especially when you already thought so before we even signed him? Nothing too presumptuous about his opinion IMO, I think the same, hence why I didn't even want us to sign Cuadrado...

He's here now however and I do believe he needs a lot of time to adapt to the PL before we see the best of him.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

What's wrong with rating Willian higher than Cuadrado? Especially when you already thought so before we even signed him? Nothing too presumptuous about his opinion IMO, I think the same, hence why I didn't even want us to sign Cuadrado...

He's here now however and I do believe he needs a lot of time to adapt to the PL before we see the best of him.

Just like there's nothing wrong with me thinking its a bit presumptuous. Look at the other players who were brought in by Jose, Salah, Schurrle, Willian even Remy all needed at least half a year before they could be trusted to feature for him. I'm just saying wait till next season before you make those types of comparisons.

[The Skipper 20,593]

Just like there's nothing wrong with me thinking its a bit presumptuous. Look at the other players who were brought in by Jose, Salah, Schurrle, Willian even Remy all needed at least half a year before they could be trusted to feature for him. I'm just saying wait till next season before you make those types of comparisons.

Why? I saw enough of Cuadrado before Chelsea to make a conceited comparison between him and Willian...

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Why? I saw enough of Cuadrado before Chelsea to make a conceited comparison between him and Willian...

Him at Fiorentina and him at Chelsea are two different prospects. Give it time...

[Kieran. 6,317]

"Willian's currently riding a team-high streak of 21 consecutive appearances (15 starts). He's missed just 4 games all season, which is second lowest after Hazard's 3. Willian may not be the flashiest ever £30m signing, but he's become an undeniably crucial part of this Chelsea machine."

-WAGNH

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

The good thing about Willian though is that regardless of where he plays, 95% of the time he won't be a liability. Yeah, sometimes he doesn't do much, but he won't ever have games where you can't even depend on him for the basic things, so he's very low risk player.

He'll always give you good ball possession, good defense, and he's an elite ball carrier.

There is a lot of pressure on Hazard and his attacking midfielder counterparts don't really help him much in the goals/assists department so obv they will get stick. As long as we replace Oscar with a player who can contribute more to the offense, I'd be perfectly happy with Willian just doing his job like he has been since he joined. We don't need 10 goals and 10 assists from every position.

Costa, Hazard and one more dependable guy is more than enough. Oscar has the ability to be that guy but considering his inconsistency, you can't ever depend on him.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

"Willian's currently riding a team-high streak of 21 consecutive appearances (15 starts). He's missed just 4 games all season, which is second lowest after Hazard's 3. Willian may not be the flashiest ever £30m signing, but he's become an undeniably crucial part of this Chelsea machine."

-WAGNH

Pre Jan 1

Courtois

Iva Cahill Terry Azpi

Matic Cesc

Willian Oscar Hazard

Costa

Post Jan 1

Courtois

Azpi Zouma Terry Luis

Matic Cesc

Juan Willian Hazard

Remy

Lol, it carries more truth than I'd otherwise like...

[Joker10 946]

I think when people are talking about "Mourinho needs to adjust to today's game" it's exactly about that. I dont think Bale and Sterling have a place in a top top team today, I think Bale will not be a first choice for too long in Real because he's limited when he doesn't have the space he likes. I believe if a team wants to be realy strong today, you first need the maximum of players with exeptional ball control, and very good work rate.

Holy crap bro, that is quite controversial to say that. Consdering Real Madrid just won the CL with Bale and Ronaldo. I find no evidence to support your claim.

How does Sterling does not have exeptional ball control and work rate?

I thought we were on the same page on what quality Bale and Sterling would add, but with your latest replay i think we might be on different page.

Look every top team have players that can make strikers type run on the wing. Real does it with Ronaldo and Bale, they probably need less of it tbh. Barca for years had Pedro and Sanchez, and now with Neymar and Suarez. Bayern has Muller and Robben.

Problem with our current forwards is that they ball watch, and are no threat off the ball. You only have to worry about them when on the ball. On the RW willian does not take advantage of the space he is given, and mainly a threat when moving through the center. As i said Sterling and Bale would better exploit this, provide better width.

It's too early to say, but right now rumors talking about Pogba, not about any RWs. I'll be happy if that's the real case, but we'll see... let's hope no metter what the move will be, the team will get stronger.

I am pretty sure i have seen us linked to Sterling, Costa and Bale more then Pogba recently. We shell see but my bet is that we sign a RW then a midfielder.

Both that added dimension and more dynamism and quality in midfield are needed. Same goes for more athleticism and quality in the backline.

Agreed 100%.

Popular belief on this forum is Willian would be much better in the middle. So my logic is if that is the case isn't better to move Willian through the middle, and get someone to play his current position. As i have said in another post you fix two positons from our current team. Rather then signing a CAM/CM where you still leave one positon still need fixing.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Holy crap bro, that is quite controversial to say that. Consdering Real Madrid just won the CL with Bale and Ronaldo. I find no evidence to support your claim.

How does Sterling does not have exeptional ball control and work rate?

I thought we were on the same page on what quality Bale and Sterling would add, but with your latest replay i think we might be on different page.

Look every top team have players that can make strikers type run on the wing. Real does it with Ronaldo and Bale, they probably need less of it tbh. Barca for years had Pedro and Sanchez, and now with Neymar and Suarez. Bayern has Muller and Robben.

Problem with our current forwards is that they ball watch, and are no threat off the ball. You only have to worry about them when on the ball. On the RW willian does not take advantage of the space he is given, and mainly a threat when moving through the center. As i said Sterling and Bale would better exploit this, provide better width.

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Fantastic team like Real of last season can win the CL with Bale in the team, but I think in the long term a different kind of player will make them better, more a unit, and more consistent than they are now. They won CL, but they didn't win the league and probably won't this season, they have room to improve. Bale is a soloist, someone who mainly plays alone, and imo not that good at that so it could be forgiven (Ronaldo is also a soloist, but he's just too good at scoring goals, so he has play).

About all those players you mentioned in Barcelona and Bayern. First I don't say you shouldn't play with players with good movement who can run through space, it will be good in Chelsea too, but those wingers need to know more, do more with the ball. Robben is like that, he's a ball playing winger like Hazard, just with better movement, meaning it's another aspect of his game but its not the reason he's playing. Muller? He is on the pitch to score goals and for his brain and work rate, but If you ask Pep who would play vs Barcelona with a full squad I think it would be Ribery and Robben. Muller maybe also, in a side role, not to touch the ball too many times. Pedro is someone who was always in doubt in Barcelona, was never really liked and was replaced in the end, same goes for Sanchez. Although Sanchez is like Robben and so as Neymar. All those three are imo more technicaly gifted than Bale.

About Sterling, I'm not completely sure about him, but my feeling is that he's not a top top ball playing winger. He lacks something, and it makes him look like a mess on the ball sometimes. Maybe he need to just grow some more.

Contorvisnial? It's ok!

[iseah100 5,612]

Fantastic team like Real of last season can win the CL with Bale in the team, but I think in the long term a different kind of player will make them better, more a unit, and more consistent than they are now. They won CL, but they didn't win the league and probably won't this season, they have room to improve. Bale is a soloist, someone who mainly plays alone, and imo not that good at that so it could be forgiven (Ronaldo is also a soloist, but he's just too good at scoring goals, so he has play).

About all those players you mentioned in Barcelona and Bayern. First I don't say you shouldn't play with players with good movement who can run through space, it will be good in Chelsea too, but those wingers need to know more, do more with the ball. Robben is like that, he's a ball playing winger like Hazard, just with better movement, meaning it's another aspect of his game but its not the reason he's playing. Muller? He is on the pitch to score goals and for his brain and work rate, but If you ask Pep who would play vs Barcelona with a full squad I think it would be Ribery and Robben. Muller maybe also, in a side role, not to touch the ball too many times. Pedro is someone who was always in doubt in Barcelona, was never really liked and was replaced in the end, same goes for Sanchez. Although Sanchez is like Robben and so as Neymar. All those three are imo more technicaly gifted than Bale.

About Sterling, I'm not completely sure about him, but my feeling is that he's not a top top ball playing winger. He lacks something, and it makes him look like a mess on the ball sometimes. Maybe he need to just grow some more.

Contorvisnial? It's ok!

Pedro is a top winger. So underrated. Can score, good workrate, creative, retains possession. Man.

[LAM09 6,751]

Pedro is a top winger. So underrated. Can score, good workrate, creative, retains possession. Man.

He's a shadow of the player he once was under Pep. Scored in every competition he played in.

[Jase 43,479]

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[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

https://vine.co/v/eu7hZaMZm5w

:lol:

Remy's face lolololol