Willian

[Madmax 9,219]

Imagine if he ever played with Torres?

Torres would be in a casket and Diego would be in prison for homicide.

[coolhead23 1,147]

Buying Reus has nothing to do with Willian. We need to get rid of that clown in our team named schurrle and Reus is the best replacement for him. I'm sure Willian will get a lot of playing time even if we sign Reus.

Clown! Seriously ... I guess thats a little too much ...

*Disclaimer* ... in the below provided note, there will be quite a few assumptions.

Assuming we buy Reus .. assuming Jose is there for like next 5 years ... assuming Hazard is around for another 5 year and injury free ... assuming Willian is around for another 5 years and injury free...

Now where would Reus play and how many times would get a start ...

Reus is at a junction where he would want to start all matches (provided he is injury free) and continue to built his legacy ... Moving to Chelsea, Madrid, Barca would not be a good move for his career especially with his Injuries and also a new league will be difficult ... I'm believe he will stay at Dortmund or take a move to Munich and replace Ribery ...

P.S: the reason for taking 5 years is "assuming" a 5 year contract ...

[The Skipper 20,609]

Clown! Seriously ... I guess thats a little too much ...

*Disclaimer* ... in the below provided note, there will be quite a few assumptions.

Assuming we buy Reus .. assuming Jose is there for like next 5 years ... assuming Hazard is around for another 5 year and injury free ... assuming Willian is around for another 5 years and injury free...

Now where would Reus play and how many times would get a start ...

Reus is at a junction where he would want to start all matches (provided he is injury free) and continue to built his legacy ... Moving to Chelsea, Madrid, Barca would not be a good move for his career especially with his Injuries and also a new league will be difficult ... I'm believe he will stay at Dortmund or take a move to Munich and replace Ribery ...

P.S: the reason for taking 5 years is "assuming" a 5 year contract ...

Reus would easily start for us, why is this even a debate?

[The Chels 2,502]

Reus would easily start for us, why is this even a debate?

Because Willian scored and got an assist and now he's amazing offensively, apparently.

[coolhead23 1,147]

Reus would easily start for us, why is this even a debate?

because i have my doubts ... Maybe your correct, he mite easily get a start but seeing how Jose wants players to press back Willian mite get the preference .. having said that, i m not sure of Reus defensive work ...

[bababoom 4,478]

because i have my doubts ... Maybe your correct, he mite easily get a start but seeing how Jose wants players to press back Willian mite get the preference .. having said that, i m not sure of Reus defensive work ...

Have you watched Dortmund play? their whole game is based around pressing ffs.

[illmatic 901]

because i have my doubts ... Maybe your correct, he mite easily get a start but seeing how Jose wants players to press back Willian mite get the preference .. having said that, i m not sure of Reus defensive work ...

Marco on Borussia is already accustomed to defensive pressure. There plays with very very high intense, where all help in defensive and pressing. This is not problem for him.

[The Skipper 20,609]

because i have my doubts ... Maybe your correct, he mite easily get a start but seeing how Jose wants players to press back Willian mite get the preference .. having said that, i m not sure of Reus defensive work ...

Have you even ever watched Reus or BvB in general? Defensive work and the high press from their wingers is a massive part of their game. Reus is excellent at it.

It's not debatable at all tbh. Reus would 200% start in every single team in the world bar Real and Barcelona, and even with those two he'd be knocking on the door.

[coolhead23 1,147]

Have you watched Dortmund play? their whole game is based around pressing ffs.

Marco on Borussia is already accustomed to defensive pressure. There plays with very very high intense, where all help in defensive and pressing. This is not problem for him.

Have you even ever watched Reus or BvB in general? Defensive work and the high press from their wingers is a massive part of their game. Reus is excellent at it.

It's not debatable at all tbh. Reus would 200% start in every single team in the world bar Real and Barcelona, and even with those two he'd be knocking on the door.

Wow!! Easy guys ...

Fair enough .. got the message!

I dont recollect seeing a complete BVB game hence wasnt sure on his defensive quality ... So thanks for the clarification

[rantdeville 195]

You could never really truly be mad at Kalou and Malouda cuz down inside you just knew that they didn't have the technical ability or pace to run at defenders and pass them.

But for all the skill and speed Willian has, it's truly disappointing when you see his reluctance to run at defenders.

[LAM09 7,043]

I don't know what to expect from Willian. He is too inconsistent IMO, and only starts matches because of his work rate. He has the tools to be much more effective on the attacking front, but he doesn't offer enough of an attacking threat.

[WNDS 502]

Willian will probably never be a consistent attacking threat for us so long as he is being deployed on the right of midfield. At Shakhtar he was almost exclusively used on the left, and his role within that team was similar to Hazard's current role with us (an inverted winger/wide playmaker). He didn't score much, but he tended to set up loads of chances from that position. His game has never been about beating his man on the outside and then whipping in dangerous crosses, which is how most right-footed right midfielders play.

Some of you don't seem to realise the MASSIVE difference there is between being a right-footer on the left and being a right-footer on the right. When on the left side of the pitch, a right-footed player will find it much easier to dribble infield with the ball (the ball is shielded from the defending players by the dribbler's body), much easier to participate in quick passing moves (their right instep is in a better position to enable accurate forward passing when they are facing infield towards their team-mates), and much easier to take direct shots on goal.

Just watch Willian when he comes deeper or moves infield to receive the ball when on the right. If he plays a pass, he's often either trying to play it forward/infield with the outside of his right foot, or he simply passes it back to our defenders with his right instep. When he tries to dribble infield, he gets dispossessed quite frequently because his right foot (and therefore the ball) are more exposed to the opposition's defensive players.

It's a similar situation for Schurrle (another right-footer), even though he has never been anything close to a playmaker. He almost always played on the left for Leverkusen, primarily so he could cut inside and take shots, but also because it allowed him to mask his average passing ability. When he plays on the right for us, his passing is often poor, even in games where his general performance is good.

Ultimately though, Hazard is far too good to be moved from the left, and Oscar's role at CAM is too important for the overall balance of the team, so Willian and Schurrle will just have to keep up their efforts on the right. It would be cool if they could do that without game-by-game criticism from some on this forum, but I won't hold my breath.

[chelseafc9010 224]

Yeah but you would think since Shurrle sucks at dribbling he would try to develop into a more direct player who scores, like Rues

[OneMoSalah 8,884]

You could never really truly be mad at Kalou and Malouda cuz down inside you just knew that they didn't have the technical ability or pace to run at defenders and pass them.

But for all the skill and speed Willian has, it's truly disappointing when you see his reluctance to run at defenders.

Malouda was much much better than Willian in tight spaces though but Flo seemed to play a bit more centrally as opposed to what Robben and Willian do and in all honesty he didn't dribble as often as Robben did, he had a bit more of a footballing brain and seen passes that you would expect a number 10 to see like little ones round the corner or between someones legs etc.

[LAM09 7,043]

Willian will probably never be a consistent attacking threat for us so long as he is being deployed on the right of midfield. At Shakhtar he was almost exclusively used on the left, and his role within that team was similar to Hazard's current role with us (an inverted winger/wide playmaker). He didn't score much, but he tended to set up loads of chances from that position. His game has never been about beating his man on the outside and then whipping in dangerous crosses, which is how most right-footed right midfielders play.

Some of you don't seem to realise the MASSIVE difference there is between being a right-footer on the left and being a right-footer on the right. When on the left side of the pitch, a right-footed player will find it much easier to dribble infield with the ball (the ball is shielded from the defending players by the dribbler's body), much easier to participate in quick passing moves (their right instep is in a better position to enable accurate forward passing when they are facing infield towards their team-mates), and much easier to take direct shots on goal.

Just watch Willian when he comes deeper or moves infield to receive the ball when on the right. If he plays a pass, he's often either trying to play it forward/infield with the outside of his right foot, or he simply passes it back to our defenders with his right instep. When he tries to dribble infield, he gets dispossessed quite frequently because his right foot (and therefore the ball) are more exposed to the opposition's defensive players.

It's a similar situation for Schurrle (another right-footer), even though he has never been anything close to a playmaker. He almost always played on the left for Leverkusen, primarily so he could cut inside and take shots, but also because it allowed him to mask his average passing ability. When he plays on the right for us, his passing is often poor, even in games where his general performance is good.

Ultimately though, Hazard is far too good to be moved from the left, and Oscar's role at CAM is too important for the overall balance of the team, so Willian and Schurrle will just have to keep up their efforts on the right. It would be cool if they could do that without game-by-game criticism from some on this forum, but I won't hold my breath.

That might be the case, but he should still provide an attacking threat. I didn't see him do that on Saturday, but he wasn't the only one.