🇧🇷 Willian

[Stats 7,145]

 

1 hour ago, Vybz Kartel said:

If united did really bid 60 million we fucked up by not accepting that bid. I really wish Spurs had signed this guy, dude has set us back 3-4 years. If he had not been signed we would arguably still have KDB in our books whose a way better player than this fraud 

You are pathetic. There is one thing not rating him but calling him a fraud is ridiculous. So many small minded fans it is sad.

1 hour ago, Abreu03 said:

Extremely limited player, Cuadrado is better and more useful than he. Useless too much offensively, just use tactics. If I didn't have speed and a good physical condition would be a worse player than Oscar.
 

Another player who thinks pre-season is the way to judge a player. You probably think Moses is a world class player.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

10 minutes ago, Stats said:

You are pathetic. There is one thing not rating him but calling him a fraud is ridiculous. So many small minded fans it is sad.

I wouldn't bite. He lost when he suggested De Bruyne would still be here, we all know the reason why KdB isn't. 

However if you care to recall @Vybz Kartel, we signed Salah, Cuadrado, Schurrle, etc all in a bid to find a world class winger on the right. Willian outstayed them all, so what does that tell you? 

Spoiler

(And yes that question was deliberately obtuse, because it's on the same level as your comment was imo.)

 

[Gilvorak 3,734]

1 hour ago, DYC. said:

Oh, come on. I know you don't like him but he's anything but average. Not world-class or anything but a very good player if he picks up his 2015 form.

No doubt I have an agenda but if you want what's best for the club then you'd agree Willian needs replacing. Mahrez, Mhkitaryan, Sanchez, Martial, Sane, Coutinho, Mane, Sterling, Lamela, Eriksen, De Bruyne, Payet are all players that you could argue are better than Willian at other PL clubs & a few of those are average.

Hazard, New RW, Willian, Musonda. That's the ideal depth chart for wingers for me. Willian as an automatic starter has been a disaster.

[Unionjack 7,531]

I like Willian but right now I'd start Square ahead of him

[Abreu03 292]

Don't judge a player just for the preseason, Willian already has 3 years of Chelsea, comes from a long time practicing a limited football and invisible. I'm just not to be fooled because of one lousy season as last. I will change my opinion about the Willian when he does really a standout season, it's very easy to stand out when no other player on the team is at its best level.
Make it look like this is an unexceptionable, haha. Has ridiculous numbers, his biggest highlight was the worst season in the last 20 years (he was the best sums up the moment lived by Chelsea), when the team was well boiled down to be a tactical player, only serving even to mark the opposing side, their offensive limitation is too large.

[Stats 7,145]

9 minutes ago, Gilvorak said:

No doubt I have an agenda but if you want what's best for the club then you'd agree Willian needs replacing. Mahrez, Mhkitaryan, Sanchez, Martial, Sane, Coutinho, Mane, Sterling, Lamela, Eriksen, De Bruyne, Payet are all players that you could argue are better than Willian at other PL clubs & a few of those are average.

Hazard, New RW, Willian, Musonda. That's the ideal depth chart for wingers for me. Willian as an automatic starter has been a disaster.

Lamela? LOL. Willian is much better than Lamela. Sterling has not performed since joining City and I think at this current time majority of City fans would take Willian over Sterling. Willian is better than him. Sane has tremendous potential but he would not get in ahead of Willian right now. People need to stop living in this fantasy world.

[Abreu03 292]

Don't judge a player just by numbers, but this is ridiculous.  Talk can't charge good numbers of William just shows that this is a very limited player.

Just an example, Mahrez plays in the same position, is as important tactically as Willian (Who attended the games of Leicester saw how he came back to defend, because the team played in a 4-4-2, and the wingers have to help much), and that didn't stop him scoring 17 goals and 11 assists in the PREMIER LEAGUE. That's the difference.

 

[DYC. 7,542]

38 minutes ago, Gilvorak said:

No doubt I have an agenda but if you want what's best for the club then you'd agree Willian needs replacing. Mahrez, Mhkitaryan, Sanchez, Martial, Sane, Coutinho, Mane, Sterling, Lamela, Eriksen, De Bruyne, Payet are all players that you could argue are better than Willian at other PL clubs & a few of those are average.

Hazard, New RW, Willian, Musonda. That's the ideal depth chart for wingers for me. Willian as an automatic starter has been a disaster.

Seriously? Out of that list of players only Sanchez, De Bruyne and Payet are comfortably better and Payet has to show he can keep this up. Mahrez and Mkhi both reached a level Willian has never touched last season, agreed, but they were nobodies prior to 15/16 (Mkhi was decent at best before Tuchel). Martial is highly talented but has a lot to prove still, needs to find that consistency. Eriksen is on a similar level. Coutinho, no. Just no. Would always pick Willian over him in my team. Mane, Lamela, Sane and Sterling... Haha, that's just funny. And I say that as a Sane fan. He's all potential at the moment.

Have to agree with that final part though. That would be nice (good luck finding that world-class option on the right though). That said, Willian is the least of Chelsea's problems.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

20 minutes ago, Abreu03 said:

Just an example, Mahrez plays in the same position

While it's all well and good pointing to Mahrez, let's see how he follows up. Leicester will struggle this season, even if they keep Mahrez, so using him as an example isn't really the best. His dazzling form came from nowhere and the same can be said about Willian. 

But again, no-one's arguing Willian isn't world-class. Of course he's not and yes he's limited in what he can do on the ball in the final third, but to anyone who saw Willian pre-2014 will know that's what you get with him anyway . Average is also harsh, he's very good as @DYC. is making the point of and as such he's useful considering the lack of world-class right wingers in the game let alone available right now!

[Unionjack 7,531]

Why Chelsea Simply Can’t Rely on Willian Moving Forward

http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/articles/why-chelsea-simply-cant-rely-on-willian-moving-forward

Its basically how I feel about him. I like the lad alot but.....

Right now I'd stick Cuadrado in over him and give him a good chance. Doubt Conte will lat last years POTY warm the bench tho.

[nono 791]

His major positive is that he has a great work ethic. After that I don't see what he does. On the field he's often a black hole where the ball just goes and comes out on an opposing player's feet.

Positives of Willian : 
Great engine

Negatives : 

Can't beat his man. He has speed and technique but it's useless unless he has a head start which is maybe once a game.

Can't cross

Can't pass (loses the ball way too often)

Can't score

Can't assist enough

 

Once we shore up the defense he won't really be that much of a defensive asset and his offensive flaws will get exposed even more.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

3 hours ago, nono said:

His major positive is that he has a great work ethic. After that I don't see what he does. On the field he's often a black hole where the ball just goes and comes out on an opposing player's feet.

Positives of Willian : 
Great engine

Negatives : 

Can't beat his man. He has speed and technique but it's useless unless he has a head start which is maybe once a game.

Can't cross

Can't pass (loses the ball way too often)

Can't score

Can't assist enough

 

Once we shore up the defense he won't really be that much of a defensive asset and his offensive flaws will get exposed even more.

Should be converted to Right back imo. Could be our Marcelo.

[LAM09 7,056]

His major positive is that he has a great work ethic. After that I don't see what he does. On the field he's often a black hole where the ball just goes and comes out on an opposing player's feet.

Positives of Willian : 

Great engine

Negatives : 

Can't beat his man. He has speed and technique but it's useless unless he has a head start which is maybe once a game.

Can't cross

Can't pass (loses the ball way too often)

Can't score

Can't assist enough

 

Once we shore up the defense he won't really be that much of a defensive asset and his offensive flaws will get exposed even more.

His flaws were masked when are team was as bad as it was last season. We can only hope we're a different side this season and all the above will be clear as day.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

7 hours ago, nono said:

His major positive is that he has a great work ethic. After that I don't see what he does. On the field he's often a black hole where the ball just goes and comes out on an opposing player's feet.

Positives of Willian : 
Great engine

Negatives : 

Can't beat his man. He has speed and technique but it's useless unless he has a head start which is maybe once a game.

Can't cross

Can't pass (loses the ball way too often)

Can't score

Can't assist enough

 

Once we shore up the defense he won't really be that much of a defensive asset and his offensive flaws will get exposed even more.

 

[Mário César 1,278]

'can't pass"

what?

[nono 791]

2 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

 

Fucking brutal.

[Blue Armour 4,442]

13 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Why Chelsea Simply Can’t Rely on Willian Moving Forward

http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/articles/why-chelsea-simply-cant-rely-on-willian-moving-forward

Its basically how I feel about him. I like the lad alot but.....

Right now I'd stick Cuadrado in over him and give him a good chance. Doubt Conte will lat last years POTY warm the bench tho.

Well we're not exactly averse to leaving last year's POTY on the bench now, are we 

[Blue Armour 4,442]

8 hours ago, Gilvorak said:

Should be converted to Right back imo. Could be our Marcelo.

Cuadrado and Willian on the right wing may not be a bad idea,..considering that Ivan and Aina are the only alternatives

[kellzfresh 7,229]

2 hours ago, nono said:

Fucking brutal.

I'm not complaining about his passing like that, what bugs me is with all his speed and technique, he finds it hard to beat his man easily. And he has anelka moments where he slows down the speed of our game and passes back to ivanovic. 

I think we should try him in a 3 man midfield, instead of being on the wing, at least his ability to protect the ball under pressure will help us in possession. Because wingers should be more daring and attempt to dribble past his marker or be able to put in good crosses and for all willian's speed and technique he does none of the above. 

Maybe if he was on the left wing he'll be able to cut in and shoot with his right more. But he's the least of our problems for now. When we fix our defense, we can look into this matter. 

[Adnane 1,101]

I believe we need a left-footed winger on the right, it might just seem fancy because that's what modern football has brought in the last 10 years or so but it really helps your offensive build up when your winger is already facing the defender to the inside on his strong foot rather than the opposite.

Willian has immense technique and great speed, he can be really creative at times and when he has space he can do a lot of damage, but we'll never get the best f him putting him in a wing where he will go to the outside and get a corner at best, not everyone has the skill of Hazard who can do it on both wings, so I really think we should move him to a three man midfield as suggested here, he has it all in him.

Or at worst, right back, surely can't be worse than what we have now.