WNDS 502 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I will say something quite unpopular. Willian being our best player this year says more about the current state of our squad than it says about Willian. Sorry, but its the truth...Yes he has and he is indeed a good player, but even then he wouldnt start on most top teams...Bayern would not trade Douglas Costa, Muller nor Robben for Willian. So wouldnt Barça, PSG, City, Real, etc.And yet he's not looked at all out of place alongside Neymar or Douglas Costa for Brazil; he's been more consistent than the former, and slightly outperformed the latter (so far), whilst also being one of the NT's most influential players outright in the process.This is in addition to him currently being our most in-form player, as he has been for most of the season up to this point. How else are we supposed to judge him? The 'only' context we have is his level of performance for club and country. Stats, stroey and Johnnyeye 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Yes he has and he is indeed a good player, but even then he wouldnt start on most top teams...Bayern would not trade Douglas Costa, Muller nor Robben for Willian. So wouldnt Barça, PSG, City, Real, etc.He'd have a role at City or PSG for sure IMO. stroey and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 He'd have a role at City or PSG for sure IMO.Maybe PSG, I will give you that.Definitely not City though. They have Silva, KdB and Sterling ahead of him and while you could argue he can play better than Sterling, having 2 midfielders who like to slow the pace of the game is not exactly a good gaming plan. So, between the two, the Spanish is clearly better.But that was not the point of my argument. What I was trying to show is that if our best player would have trouble making the starting eleven of most top clubs, what does it say about our squad? DYC., The Skipper and Barbara 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El P. 1,354 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I will say something quite unpopular. Willian being our best player this year says more about the current state of our squad than it says about Willian. Sorry, but its the truth...It says about both. It's not so easy to be WAY better performer than BegoviΔ and Azpilicueta who are decent. stroey and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! stroey 2,525 Posted November 27, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted November 27, 2015 Willian's consistency and versatility are his strongest points, he will always give you at least a 7 no matter who we play: City, United, Arsenal, Atletico, PSG or Sunderland, Stoke, Norwich, Maccabi.At City he will start over Sterling. You can say he won't start over xx player or xx player, but it isn't that simple. You play in a different team with different tactics, a different role and different team mates. Even Robben would struggle to replace one of MSN but that doesn't mean Neymar or Suarez is better than him. WNDS, Stats, Beepu and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Bayern would not trade Douglas Costa, Muller nor Robben for Willian. So wouldnt Barça, PSG, City, Real, etc.Good, let that filth stay away from him. He's ours. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essien19 1,415 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I think before Bayern Munich took Costa, there were rumours about an interest in Willian. Stroey already said it, at the end of the day it comes down to tactics, role and freedom.It's up for speculation and discussion, but i firmly believe that Willian could have been as good as Costa at the german powerhouse. They field so many attacking players in the line-up and the whole team goes forward, there would have been a lot more space and colleagues for the interplay. For Brazil, one can see glimpses of what he is able to do. I wonder how good would be Willian as a fullback, in my point of view he could florish, maybe that's what Pep thought back in the day. Leif, Johnnyeye and stroey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Has Willian really improved though? Take away the set pieces and he's still pretty much the same player he's been these past 2 years. Like everyone else has said we wouldn't be relegation status if he was playing at a World Class level. Those sort of players can elevate even the worst of teams. LAM09, Shaan and Belgiannutt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Has Willian really improved though? Take away the set pieces and he's still pretty much the same player he's been these past 2 years. Like everyone else has said we wouldn't be relegation status if he was playing at a World Class level. Those sort of players can elevate even the worst of teams.He's won games with his set pieces. Overall play hasn't changed much, but he's saved us on numerous occasions this season. That's why the praise is possibly amplified DYC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! DYC. 7,542 Posted November 27, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted November 27, 2015 Has Willian really improved though? Take away the set pieces and he's still pretty much the same player he's been these past 2 years. Like everyone else has said we wouldn't be relegation status if he was playing at a World Class level. Those sort of players can elevate even the worst of teams.He's not a world beater but he has definitely improved. I was not a fan of Willian pre-2015, and that's putting it lightly. Before it was hard work, simple side and back passes and sideways dribbling. Simply lacking any kind of adventure and fantasy in his game. A water carrier. He would receive great praise from some and I just didn't get it.Now his game is more vertical, he takes more chances and risks, he creates more chances for his team mates (that's my impression anyway), he engages in more take-ons (!), creating space and drawing fouls. Before 2015 his contribution to the creation of goals was very poor. Nowadays he's so much more involved, directly and indirectly, in game-changing and match-winning moments as well. Then there's his free-kicks in the current season, also game-changing and match-winning. He's bumped up a level.You're just mad your boy Oscar has been average after hyping him up, Gilvorak. Johnnyeye, Beepu, Ainsley Harriott and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Has Willian really improved though? Take away the set pieces and he's still pretty much the same player he's been these past 2 years. Like everyone else has said we wouldn't be relegation status if he was playing at a World Class level. Those sort of players can elevate even the worst of teams.LOL. You just don't like him as a player and are mad that all your posts before about Oscar being a better player has been proven to be rubbish. Maybe you should look at it another way and say if our other 'world class' players performed how they should and helped Willian, we might be doing better. Funny how since you always use to criticise him and he came back proving you wrong, you were not able to praise him but instead your next post is one to find an excuse for him playing well. Typical... But let me guess, you still think Oscar makes our team better when he plays? Not surprised. stroey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Has Willian really improved though? Take away the set pieces and he's still pretty much the same player he's been these past 2 years. Like everyone else has said we wouldn't be relegation status if he was playing at a World Class level. Those sort of players can elevate even the worst of teams.He's not a world beater but he has definitely improved. I was not a fan of Willian pre-2015, and that's putting it lightly. Before it was hard work, simple side and back passes and sideways dribbling. Simply lacking any kind of adventure and fantasy in his game. A water carrier. He would receive great praise from some and I just didn't get it.Now his game is more vertical, he takes more chances and risks, he creates more chances for his team mates (that's my impression anyway), he engages in more take-ons (!), creating space and drawing fouls. Before 2015 his contribution to the creation of goals was very poor. Nowadays he's so much more involved, directly and indirectly, in game-changing and match-winning moments as well. Then there's his free-kicks in the current season, also game-changing and match-winning. He's bumped up a level.You're just mad your boy Oscar has been average after hyping him up, Gilvorak.This.His prowess in set pieces has given him the confidence to take on players more regularly and force in the delivery like that forced own goal vs maccabi and several similar situations instead of passing backwards. Also for Brazil he has been one of their mainstays, scoring and assisting regularly (both even from open play). I am not saying that he is world class but he definitely has improved. That would be even more obvious if the players around him Costa, Hazard, Pedro who usually all are decent finishers and regular scorers, would do their job and finish off the chances he creates. He still has his deficiencies like he can't score from open play and does still not always make the right choices both off and on the ball. Still, He has always been a good player with his industrious workrate, skilfull feet, pace and dribbling ability but his increased verticality and set piece ability has made him a very good player which is exactly his ceiling and he is fulfilling it now. The players around him are the ones who should deliver and if they were to, Willian's numbers would be more impressive. stroey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,509 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Incredible, one can only imagine if all went in, he probably would beat ZolaΒ΄s free kick record in one season, amazing really great free kick accuracy, long may it continue. Cheers stroey and Essien19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,509 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 He'd have a role at City or PSG for sure IMO.Thank God he isnΒ΄t playing for either of them, he feels at home here and has improved his overall game. I hope he stays with us for many years and becomes a legend if possible. Cheers stroey and Essien19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Has Willian really improved though? Take away the set pieces and he's still pretty much the same player he's been these past 2 years. Like everyone else has said we wouldn't be relegation status if he was playing at a World Class level. Those sort of players can elevate even the worst of teams.Still miles better than Oscar IMO, who for some reason you seem to rate extremely high. Essien19, Johnnyeye and stroey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,509 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I think before Bayern Munich took Costa, there were rumours about an interest in Willian.Stroey already said it, at the end of the day it comes down to tactics, role and freedom.It's up for speculation and discussion, but i firmly believe that Willian could have been as good as Costa at the german powerhouse.They field so many attacking players in the line-up and the whole team goes forward, there would have been a lot more space and colleagues for the interplay.For Brazil, one can see glimpses of what he is able to do.I wonder how good would be Willian as a fullback, in my point of view he could florish, maybe that's what Pep thought back in the day.WillianΒ΄s talents would be wasted at fullback, but i think he could play that role if necessary, if Mou asked him to, he is that versatile. I feel that Alex Teixeira would thrive a lot here at Chelsea, to add that flair and goal scoring prowess we lack in the wings, and add to that he knows Willian pretty well from their Shakthar days and they would play very well together here like they did before and thatΒ΄s why we should be aiming to get him or else someone like Bayern, PSG, etc will surely get him, at least thatΒ΄s my opinion. Cheers Essien19 and stroey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 hazard gets fouls a lot get hazard to play the no10 role so he can get free kicks in middle of the pitch and get willian to take them i love a plan when it comes together lol we would win the league with that plan lmao Beepu, Simon1991, Johnnyeye and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 βWillian hits them with the same technique,β notes Zola. βOscar is also good at taking free-kicks and I saw him score a couple of good goals last year, special free-kicks, and he has got good technique. DYC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Deja vu? Willian free-kick (and celebration) identical to Gianfranco Zola goal from 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Why hasn't anyone yet made a compilation of his FK goals so far this season?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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