Marco van Ginkel

[iseah100 5,612]

my problem is that i would like us to stop buying such players who have no future with us and rather give chances to the youth.

secondly, the fuck is your problem? if you have a problem with what i said, then argue about it rather than abusing!!

No future? That's a bold conclusion to come to with no evidence.

I'm not abusing, I was just so shocked by the ignorance of your opinion those were the only words acceptable as a response.

He's not injury prone, tearing an acl is not something you can control. Injury prone would me he happens to injure the same area over and over. Not the case. But you're entitled to your wrong opinion.

[didierforever 7,349]

No future? That's a bold conclusion to come to with no evidence.

I'm not abusing, I was just so shocked by the ignorance of your opinion those were the only words acceptable as a response.

He's not injury prone, tearing an acl is not something you can control. Injury prone would me he happens to injure the same area over and over. Not the case. But you're entitled to your wrong opinion.

oh really? so a player who continously gets injured without playing any sufficient gametime in different areas of his body would not be classified as injury prone? great!! so from now on we ll start calling that plyer an MVG!!

injury prone = often sustaining injuries http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/injury-prone

dont think it has ANYTHING at all related to which part of the body or the same part!!!

but like you said, everyone is entitled to their wrong opinions.

[Spike 12,049]

@didierforever, You need to stop being so aggressive and belligerent towards other users. Chillout dude.

[Spike 12,049]

oh really? so a player who continously gets injured without playing any sufficient gametime in different areas of his body would not be classified as injury prone? great!! so from now on we ll start calling that plyer an MVG!!

injury prone = often sustaining injuries http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/injury-prone

dont think it has ANYTHING at all related to which part of the body or the same part!!!

but like you said, everyone is entitled to their wrong opinions.

I googled 'injury-prone' and ran it through several respected dictionaries that are not 'Collins'. Oxford and Webster the two largest and most reputable English dictionaries in the world have no definition for the word 'injury-prone'. The dictionary you have quoted is the equivalent of the newspaper The Sun.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/spellcheck/all/?q=injury+prone

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injury%20prone

[didierforever 7,349]

I googled 'injury-prone' and ran it through several respected dictionaries that are not 'Collins'. Oxford and Webster the two largest and most reputable English dictionaries in the world have no definition for the word 'injury-prone'. The dictionary you have quoted is the equivalent of the newspaper The Sun.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/spellcheck/all/?q=injury+prone

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injury%20prone

hahhaa.. found another one here. i just googled injury prone meaning and got the obvious and hence the link.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=injury+prone

i just dont understand that argument. if a person has

calf/shin injury

calf muscle strain

thigh muscle strain

ankle/foot injury

MCL ligament injury

groin injury

knee injury

back injury

so people should not classify him as "injury-prone"? just cos its in the different part of his body and none of it is recurring?? i know mvg is not this bad but so far, he has got injured very frequently. you can label it as "unlucky", but i seriously doubt its bullshit or ignorant if someone calls him injury prone.

[Spike 12,049]

hahhaa.. found another one here. i just googled injury prone meaning and got the obvious and hence the link.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=injury+prone

i just dont understand that argument. if a person has

calf/shin injury

calf muscle strain

thigh muscle strain

ankle/foot injury

MCL ligament injury

groin injury

knee injury

back injury

so people should not classify him as "injury-prone"? just cos its in the different part of his body and none of it is recurring?? i know mvg is not this bad but so far, he has got injured very frequently. you can label it as "unlucky", but i seriously doubt its bullshit or ignorant if someone calls him injury prone.

That is not what people are saying at all. The difference between and injury prone player and someone like van Ginkel is that van Ginkel's injuries are never his fault, they are from tackles and poor challenges, outside interference or stimuli causes the injuries. This incredible bad luck. Nearly everyone would be injured from a very bad tackle, does this mean everyone is injury prone? Perhaps in the future if van Ginkel has reoccuring problems with his knee or ankle that isn't caused by a tackle, we can refer to him as injury prone.

However someone who is like Alex Pato or Thiago Silva, injure themselves while training, walking, jumping, running and everything inbetween. There is no other factors other than themselves which cause the injury. This is what people refer to as injury prone. It's all semantics but this seems to be the decisive definition on Talk Chelsea.

Urban Dictionary is like quoting your thesis from something written on a rag.

[didierforever 7,349]

That is not what people are saying at all. The difference between and injury prone player and someone like van Ginkel is that van Ginkel's injuries are never his fault, they are from tackles and poor challenges, outside interference or stimuli causes the injuries. This incredible bad luck. Nearly everyone would be injured from a very bad tackle, does this mean everyone is injury prone? Perhaps in the future if van Ginkel has reoccuring problems with his knee or ankle that isn't caused by a tackle, we can refer to him as injury prone.

However someone who is like Alex Pato or Thiago Silva, injure themselves while training, walking, jumping, running and everything inbetween. There is no other factors other than themselves which cause the injury. This is what people refer to as injury prone. It's all semantics but this seems to be the decisive definition on Talk Chelsea.

Urban Dictionary is like quoting your thesis from something written on a rag.

Injury prone would me he happens to injure the same area over and over. ISEAH100's words.

tackles and bad tackles are part and parcel of the game. you cant rule them out and simply neglect the injuries caused by them. i mean hazard is subject to a horrible tackle on a weekly basis. same goes with CR, messi, neymar, robben etc etc and almost all good/great players. that does not mean they get injured every time they play. and yes, i would say if someone gets injured over and over and over again cos of this, then he is injury prone. football is a contact sport, its a physical sport and there will be bad tackles flying about each time a player takes a field.

i really did not know that injury prone on TC was simply for "self injuries". i took the words "injury-prone" in the most literal way possible.

[The Skipper 20,593]

Injury prone - simply definition, a player who gets injuredquite frequently. Mvg has been available to play for a whole of what? 10 matches in the last 2 years? He is supposed to be a DM/Cm and susupposed to play I'm the most physical league in the world, and yet he gets injured every second match he plays or every time he comes in physical contact. Yea, it is a bullahit opinion to say that he ia injury prone and fragile. .

Yeah, because before we signed him he was known as a fragile player that always gets injured right? Your argument makes no sense mate.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

Injury prone - simply definition, a player who gets injuredquite frequently. Mvg has been available to play for a whole of what? 10 matches in the last 2 years? He is supposed to be a DM/Cm and susupposed to play I'm the most physical league in the world, and yet he gets injured every second match he plays or every time he comes in physical contact. Yea, it is a bullahit opinion to say that he ia injury prone and fragile. .

Sure since he made his debut when he was 16 or 17 years old, he has been injured frequently for maybe a combined total of 7 months out of 5 years? So yeah is he 'injury prone' then, is he really? No he is not. It is a bullshit opinion and I think I also seen you post in the Reus thread that Reus is also injury prone too when in reality he really isn't.

[iseah100 5,612]

Injury prone would me he happens to injure the same area over and over. ISEAH100's words.

tackles and bad tackles are part and parcel of the game. you cant rule them out and simply neglect the injuries caused by them. i mean hazard is subject to a horrible tackle on a weekly basis. same goes with CR, messi, neymar, robben etc etc and almost all good/great players. that does not mean they get injured every time they play. and yes, i would say if someone gets injured over and over and over again cos of this, then he is injury prone. football is a contact sport, its a physical sport and there will be bad tackles flying about each time a player takes a field.

i really did not know that injury prone on TC was simply for "self injuries". i took the words "injury-prone" in the most literal way possible.

Don't say my name. You're wrong, but you have the right to be wrong.

[rantdeville 195]

We must be doing better this season.

Our biggest problem in the forums is over the definition of terms in regards to a player who hasn't been playing for us.

There was a time when we murdered each other over real problems, like Torres. And Bosingwa. And Malouda and Alex in the reserves lol

[didierforever 7,349]

Sure since he made his debut when he was 16 or 17 years old, he has been injured frequently for maybe a combined total of 7 months out of 5 years? So yeah is he 'injury prone' then, is he really? No he is not. It is a bullshit opinion and I think I also seen you post in the Reus thread that Reus is also injury prone too when in reality he really isn't.

playing in the dutch youth and dutch reserves and the dutch league requires the same level of physicality and rigours as playing in PL? same level of competitiveness? But I won't want to come between your delusions of grandeur!!!

He is not injury prone at all. He is a machine. Infact has he ever got injured? I don't remember!!! Also reus is not at all injury prone, he just "keeps getting injured".

[didierforever 7,349]

Don't say my name. You're wrong, but you have the right to be wrong.

not worth it!!

[Beepu 1,714]

I don't think getting your ankle hacked by a high tackle counts as injury prone

Those tackles, like the one on Reus, are criminal. There's a reason why refs give out red cards to high or two footed lunges even when it doesn't make full contact, because if it makes full contact then ouchy.

Not sure about MVG's first injury in Milan a couple of months ago, was it a bad tackle? Like the one he got last season in the capital one?

[The Skipper 20,593]

playing in the dutch youth and dutch reserves and the dutch league requires the same level of physicality and rigours as playing in PL? same level of competitiveness? But I won't want to come between your delusions of grandeur!!!

He is not injury prone at all. He is a machine. Infact has he ever got injured? I don't remember!!! Also reus is not at all injury prone, he just "keeps getting injured".

Stupidity. So playing in the Dutch league basically means you're injury prone to you then. Great.

[dee25 1,044]

"Bad tackle? Nah son, he just injury prone that's all" - Didierforever.

[Barbara 15,149]

I really feel for the kid because I saw a lot of glimpses on him to become a long term replacement for Cesc.

I hope his luck turns around. There's a reason why I've always disliked Muntari... who hurts their teammate in training to this extent. I swear to God I hate Milan AC for some personal reasons (being an Interista the biggest of them), but now I hate them even more. They got a little of appreciation for me when they were stupid enough to get Torres, but argh, I hate Marco is going though this.

I refuse to take part of a discussion about the definition of a term where the main source used is Urban Dictionary...

But as we're here, let me share some UD gems

gooner

A Fan of the peoples champions. The winners of more League Titles than the rest of London put together. They don't need the money or the Russian mafia to bring success, they just ooze it.

gooner

Diehard supporters of the best team in the Premiership and the pride of North London. Feared by other like Yids, Mancs and Scousers.

The Gooners just beat the Yid scum to 4th in the premiership and stle their Champions League place.

Damn it those Gooners have beaten those Liverpool scouse scum shealsuit wearing theiving bastards 3-1 and 6-3 in the space of 4 days.

by Die Hard Gooner January 15, 2007

Chelsea (chel ski - for some reason the forum auto corrects it LOL, guys, LOL)

An english subsidary of a russian mafia syndicate

If we don't win the title we will steal it.

Shitty Premiership club from London,owned by a russian mafia boss - Roman Abramovich - which aplauds every their goal like a fuckin´ faggot and pounds Mourinho´s ass after the matches.Chelsea has no history whatsoever.Plays every year with a different squad.The club´s manager is a CHEATING and arrogant nitwit who has no idea of football and threatens UEFA referees.

-How many games haven't Chelsea beaten Arsenal in Premiership?
-17.

by Anonymous Gooner April 08, 2005

Chel ski

Chel ski, also known as Chelsea. A London based football club which is owned by a Russian billionaire named: Roman Abramovich.

With out their comrad Roman Abramovich, Chelsea would still be a nobody, not that they are a somebody, they are just famous for buying players who like to dive and cheat in matches.

Chelsea are a very poor team, always have been and always will be.

So, as the site seems to be written by Arsenal fans, is no surprise it has the INJURY PRONE definitions it has.

They're specialized in injuries as much as their manage is in failure. Yep, sounds right.

If we're going to stick with this sort of source, let it at least be Wikipedia

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

For the record it doesn't matter when in someone's career they sustain multiple long term injuries, if they happen one after there is definitely substantial evidence to call said player injury prone.

Reus has had two very serious injuries same with Van Ginkel, to turn a blind eye to this now would be foolish.

When Michael Essien was at the height of his powers no one ever dared use the term injury prone to describe him as a player, after that first ACON injury was followed by another the story flipped...

I wish Van Ginkel well but two serious injuries so early in his career will definitely stunt his growth and calling him injury prone isn't exactly way off base either.