Styles 9,790 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 You have a point. But do these players realise that they are nothing more than cash cows to our management. Some of them move here genuinely believing they will have a chance to make it here permanently.Honestly, I would do exactly the same. If he goes and flops at a lesser club the only way is down but if he flops here it's Chelsea fault and the player will have the benefit of the doubt - the same teams he's turned down now will probably be back in for him too.Get a Chelsea salary and use your loan moves to impress other clubs = everything to gain and nothing to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 You have a point. But do these players realise that they are nothing more than cash cows to our management. Some of them move here genuinely believing they will have a chance to make it here permanently.It's win win for both parties, they get on the books at one of the top clubs in world football, get a decent wage and more often than not a decent loan.Us on the other hand can sell them on for a profit if they are not quite good enough (best example so far was KDB basically funding Matic) and one's that do reach the level come into our team, look at Tibo for example, by all intents and purposes we signed a 25m plus keeper for free last summer.Furthermore this signing is a bit different to our usual youth signings, he's not only 23 and played numerous games at his current club he is having a 6 month loan at Leicester so if he impresses, shows he can cope in England and keeps them up he will be in a great position already.Furthermore i don't think Remy is in Mous long term plans, that mixed with Didiers retirement likely to be this season or next means striker spots are up for grabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Have to agree here as well. We have an excellent striker here already in Remy who can barely see playing time so I can't see where this guy would.Hoping this is like the Fredy Guarin link last winter where it's total bullshit.Remy was signed because we needed a cheap, decent enough striker at short notice.I will be amazed if he is still here come August, he's a stop gap until we find a striker who can seriously push Costa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,963 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Remy was signed because we needed a cheap, decent enough striker at short notice.I will be amazed if he is still here come August, he's a stop gap until we find a striker who can seriously push Costa.Eh, I don't know about that. Stop gap he may be but I think he'll be here for a couple of seasons at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Eh, I don't know about that. Stop gap he may be but I think he'll be here for a couple of seasons at least.He is struggling to get ahead of Didier in the pecking order (credit must go to Didier for good performances too) if we get in some serious competition for Costa he will play even less than he already is.I can see him sticking it out this season and hopefully getting a PL medal for his troubles but beyond that I think he will want to start playing week in week out again and Jose will want to free up a space for a longer term option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Another player that will most likely never play for us or at least not regularly hopefully we can make decent profit on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,963 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 He is struggling to get ahead of Didier in the pecking order (credit must go to Didier for good performances too) if we get in some serious competition for Costa he will play even less than he already is.I can see him sticking it out this season and hopefully getting a PL medal for his troubles but beyond that I think he will want to start playing week in week out again and Jose will want to free up a space for a longer term option.I think if we win the title Didier will retire, we keep Remy, and bring in another. I think Remy is versatile enough for José to feel like he's worth keeping. Whether or not Rey himself will be content as a rarely used sqaud player is another thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illmatic 901 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Yes, it's true that the boy can see cut his progression because probably will not play all time that he would need. But too is true, that the team need a great alternatives, and this guy looks very, very good. Besides, I'm sure it would be the second option and if he give a good level, Mou not hesitate to rotate more. Win us, with a great alternativa that in any moment can be headline, and win him, fighting for titles, in a great team and with much game time sure. I don't know you, but for me, this guy would be a great signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukakutoStamford 779 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 You have a point. But do these players realise that they are nothing more than cash cows to our management. Some of them move here genuinely believing they will have a chance to make it here permanently.What's the point if you don't aspire. Sure he's probably not good enough for Chelsea but if you don't come how does one know? It's about more than just skill to be successful. It's also about chemistry, style, and skill sets. Not to mention they get great financial deals with Chelsea and get the security of not worrying about Chelsea getting relegated so if their loan club fails they can get recalled and be sent to a more successful club, and if they are successful in their loan they can get a loan to a better club. Whereas if you go directly to Leicester you have no protection if Leicester gets sent down and you could be playing in the Championship in 2014-2015 which is fine if you are 18/19 but not so good at 24/25. The only players "being stashed" at Vitesse are young players at this point and those players can get a move to a bigger club /league if there is a demand. Look at Lukaku and Thorgan. Lukaku got a loan to WBA and Everton and then was sold. Thorgan got a Belgian loan and then got a loan to Borussia. De bruyne got a loan to Werder Bremen had a go a Chelsea and was sold to Wolfsburg. Courtois got a loan to Athletico for 3 years and came back and seized the Chelsea GK spot.It's in Chelsea's best interest to get their loanees the best possible loans get them the most games, find the right fit for leagues so that the player can develop and either move up to the Chelsea roster or be showcased to be sold a profit.You can cry about the purity of the game or that the players are being used, but the reality is in most cases a player not working out has to do with the player and not Chelsea's personnel management. Any player that fails is not good for Chelsea because they a) lose money waste resources c) get a negative reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukakutoStamford 779 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I will be amazed if Remy is at here when we kick off next August, he was never a long term option, we needed a cheap squad player with decent quality at short notice and Remy ticked that particular box, if Torres fuked off earlier in the window we would have probably got someone else.He will never be serious competition for Costa and that's what Mou will look for and maybe in this guy he's found it.Never looked at Remy as competition for Costa but rather as a back-up option who could also be played in a 2 striker line-up. The problem is that if Remy does go then Chelsea will need two new strikers unless you think that Mou will use one of the youth products. (I don't think that will happen). Not sure what is out there for 2015 but with Costa I don't see too many top strikers lining up to come to be his back-up and play 10-15 matches, which probably means two more 1 year rentals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeboii 1,844 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I would think he might be coming because Drogba is retiring soon, making Remy nr 2 and Kramaric nr 3 with Costa being nr 1. Of course Bamford might be our future but we also need someone for the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I can see him being a regular for Boro next season, should they win the promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Rather get Berainho or Austin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 What does his signing mean for bamford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 4 year contract would be too short to make decent profit on him. He should get at least 5.5 years contract. Vitesse might appear a level too low for him even though I am sure in that league he would score 30+ goals every season and would be worth a fortune in 2 years. sign him up and sent him to a striker friendly league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,350 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Get him, loan to Leicester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary gordon 1,777 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Drogba only has a season left surely. Definitely a good back-up striker. I hope we sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What does his signing mean for bamford?Nothing. Bamford is still on course to be sold in 12-18 months time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,704 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Rijeka-based agent Predrag Racki regarding the move."If he chooses Chelsea, Kramaric won't ever set foot on the Stamford Bridge pitch," he said. "He'll get lost in Holland, just like Delac, Pasalic or Perica. All that 'glitter' lasts two or three days"And I absolutely agree with him. He's a very talented player with a bright future ahead of him why agree to a move that will more than likely disrupt your career.That's bullshit.. Perica and Pasalic are only 19, it's too early to judge them. Delac didn't make it because he was not good enough... Courtois was 19 when we signed him, nobody thought he could be a starter in 3 years but he became one of the bests in the world. Delac couldn't even become a first choice keeper in Vitesse. If this Kramaric guy is good enough he will proove his class in Leicester/Vitesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Nothing. Bamford is still on course to be sold in 12-18 months time.with decent profit i guess, which is exactly what he was bought for. He was a rather risky investment cos he cost a million or two at only 16 but I am sure we can make at least 5 or 6m with him.That's bullshit.. Perica and Pasalic are only 19, it's too early to judge them. Delac didn't make it because he was not good enough... Courtois was 19 when we signed him, nobody thought he could be a starter in 3 years but he became one of the bests in the world. Delac couldn't even become a first choice keeper in Vitesse. If this Kramaric guy is good enough he will proove his class in Leicester/Vitesse. this.But i wonder whether Leicester is really the best option for him. Vitesse on the other hand need a striker really bad, they had to play our own Bertrand Traore as false 9 in recent days. In the Eredivisie he will score for fun.With Thorgan's probable departure he can be our no1 cashcow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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