Fernando Torres

[BlueLion. 21,491]

He dind't have that much to do with winning those trophies though

Behave, he pretty much single-handedly won the Europa.

[Yeboii 1,844]

Behave, he pretty much single-handedly won the Europa.

Behave?

I think Moses helped out a lot with Europa with all his goals

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Behave?

I think Moses helped out a lot with Europa with all his goals

Everyone played a role, but to say Torres played no role in winning the trophies we did in that period is a very unfair statement. It's like saying Lampard didn't play a role in the Champions League win because he only scored three goals in the whole of the competition - the same number as Torres.

[Yeboii 1,844]

Everyone played a role, but to say Torres played no role in winning the trophies we did in that period is a very unfair statement. It's like saying Lampard didn't play a role in the Champions League win because he only scored three goals in the whole of the competition - the same number as Torres.

Didn't say he had nothing to do with the trophies.. I said he didn't have THAT MUCH to do with the victories

[Blue Armour 4,278]

I know there might be some concerns or issues about Schurrle playing as a ST for us but to use the game at Old Trafford earlier this season to suggest he can't do so seems a bit silly especially when it's only one game and nothing definitive can be proven from it. Let's not forget that Schurrle has had previous experience playing as a ST back in Germany with Leverkusen and mainly Mainz.

Fine. I agree 1 game is not enough to say there's a pattern, but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't an impressive performance. I personally feel he can have a better showing coming in from a wide position, and is not well equipped to be a CF(which is what we really need for our play, as opposed to an out and out ST)...certainly not the type to play in the EPL, or as a false 9.

[Blue Armour 4,278]

Id rather see Schurrle upfront than Torres in any game.

He's the better finisher by far and thats what we need.

I know we're all begging for a good finisher to join Chelsea ranks...but honestly just being a good finisher doesn't quite do the trick for Chelsea. Else Ba wouldn't be sitting on the bench as long as he has this season..

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Tbh he wasnt 'bad' in all these years. But he never fullfiled those 50mio at all and never realy looked to be part of our team. Wasted too many chances and put little effort in several games.

But I would be happy to see him leave, he reminds me of what would be if could be...at least his departure will mean new top striker arrival and that is most important.

[DDA 9,690]

Schurrle as a striker against the poorer teams, like Fulham, obviously will (and did) work. Against the better sides... no chance.

Why no chance?

We haven't seen him play against big side yet in the striker role! And no Man United does not count :-D

You can only make this claim after seeing how does in that role over a number of games I.M.O.

He is a good finisher and very direct.

[Jase 43,479]

Fine. I agree 1 game is not enough to say there's a pattern, but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't an impressive performance. I personally feel he can have a better showing coming in from a wide position, and is not well equipped to be a CF(which is what we really need for our play, as opposed to an out and out ST)...certainly not the type to play in the EPL, or as a false 9.

I don't disagree with your point because one also do wonder whether Schurrle, if played as a ST, can hold up the play and play others in which is something crucial in this team that we have. At the moment, do think Schurrle will be suited upfront when we are playing purely on the counter attack by us and have lots of space to break into (e.g. the league game against Man City at the Etihad last month) be it running between the CBs and/or into the channels. It still would be an interesting experiment to play Schurrle as a ST though.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Didn't say he had nothing to do with the trophies.. I said he didn't have THAT MUCH to do with the victories

He was our top scorer in Europe last season, I'm sorry, but that is a ridiculous statement to make.

People get so caught up in their agendas and camps for and against players they sometimes forget the team. He helped the team with its success since he joined and he played a key role in our EL win last season. Taking that away just to make the point is very ungrateful.

[Yeboii 1,844]

He was our top scorer in Europe last season, I'm sorry, but that is a ridiculous statement to make.

People get so caught up in their agendas and camps for and against players they sometimes forget the team. He helped the team with its success since he joined and he played a key role in our EL win last season. Taking that away just to make the point is very ungrateful.

I don't really have an agenda against Torres. I do say that he is bad a lot since I think he does more harm than good for the team.

[The Skipper 20,593]

He was our top scorer in Europe last season, I'm sorry, but that is a ridiculous statement to make.

People get so caught up in their agendas and camps for and against players they sometimes forget the team. He helped the team with its success since he joined and he played a key role in our EL win last season. Taking that away just to make the point is very ungrateful.

Yeah sure, Torres was pretty vital in the Europa league against average European sides, but apart from that he hasn't had much of a say in any other trophy he's managed to obtain here.

[Jase 43,479]

Yeah sure, Torres was pretty vital in the Europa league against average European sides, but apart from that he hasn't had much of a say in any other trophy he's managed to obtain here.

Oh come on. Let's not forget about the corner he won in Munich..

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I don't really have an agenda against Torres. I do say that he is bad a lot since I think he does more harm than good for the team.

Then what's the point of trying to hide what he did for the team?

Yeah sure, Torres was pretty vital in the Europa league against average European sides, but apart from that he hasn't had much of a say in any other trophy he's managed to obtain here.

And that makes it okay to discredit what he has done for the team? Torres has been a regular in our team for over three years so he obviously played a part in our success in that time. I think it's time to let go of the bitterness we have from the disappointment of his transfer fee and how that turned out and start getting behind the player that plays for our team.

And it's not just Torres, take a look through the players section and you'd think we're battling relegation in League Two. And I'm not talking about normal criticism, it is just endless stick that almost all of our players get from our own supporters. Torres is utter shit, Ramires should not even be playing in the championship, Luiz should just quit football and make a living as a party entertainer, Eto'o is 39, Mikel is at fault for every thing that goes wrong with the team, Cech is error prone and past it....etc.

You'd think this an anti-Chelsea forum!

[The Skipper 20,593]

Then what's the point of trying to hide what he did for the team?

And that makes it okay to discredit what he has done for the team? Torres has been a regular in our team for over three years so he obviously played a part in our success in that time. I think it's time to let go of the bitterness we have from the disappointment of his transfer fee and how that turned out and start getting behind the player that plays for our team.

And it's not just Torres, take a look through the players section and you'd think we're battling relegation in League Two. And I'm not talking about normal criticism, it is just endless stick that almost all of our players get from our own supporters. Torres is utter shit, Ramires should not even be playing in the championship, Luiz should just quit football and make a living as a party entertainer, Eto'o is 39, Mikel is at fault for every thing that goes wrong with the team, Cech is error prone and past it....etc.

You'd think this an anti-Chelsea forum!

Let's just stick to discussing Torres' contributions to the team because you fully know that I don't say any of that about the likes of Ramires, Mikel, Eto'o, Luiz, Cech etc, who have all (bar Eto'o) done way more for this club than Torres has.

You're acting like Torres has done so many things for this team... Like I said, apart from playing well against average European sides in the EL, Torres has practically done fuck all for us.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Let's just stick to discussing Torres' contributions to the team because you fully know that I don't say any of that about the likes of Ramires, Mikel, Eto'o, Luiz, Cech etc, who have all (bar Eto'o) done way more for this club than Torres has.

You're acting like Torres has done so many things for this team... Like I said, apart from playing well against average European sides in the EL, Torres has practically done fuck all for us.

Obviously that wasn't aimed at you personally, but the general theme that our fans are following.

Only played well against average European sides? Are you seriously saying that Torres hasn't had good performances for us outside of the EL last season? Bayern, Tottenham and City off the top of my head this season. He's scored against top teams as well as average teams. He's been inconsistent, yes, but that's one thing and it's completely another saying he only plays well against shit teams.

Torres has been a regular for over three years. He's contributed to the club's success during that time just like all the players have. Everyone is entitled to criticizing the players, that is after all one of the points of the forum. I was called a Torres hater when only me and Tomo were criticizing his drought when he joined while everyone was blaming Malouda for not passing to him. But there's criticism and then there's pointless slating.

The constant slating and putting down of our own players has gotten ridiculous. What exactly is the point of saying stuff like "Torres only scores against shit teams" or "Luiz only had two good months under Rafa" or "Apart from that goal against Barca, Ramires has done nothing for the club"?!

Those are the type of bitter comments that are usually made by opposition fans. It's weird reading them coming from Chelsea supporters about our own players.

[didierforever 7,349]

Then what's the point of trying to hide what he did for the team?

And that makes it okay to discredit what he has done for the team? Torres has been a regular in our team for over three years so he obviously played a part in our success in that time. I think it's time to let go of the bitterness we have from the disappointment of his transfer fee and how that turned out and start getting behind the player that plays for our team.

And it's not just Torres, take a look through the players section and you'd think we're battling relegation in League Two. And I'm not talking about normal criticism, it is just endless stick that almost all of our players get from our own supporters. Torres is utter shit, Ramires should not even be playing in the championship, Luiz should just quit football and make a living as a party entertainer, Eto'o is 39, Mikel is at fault for every thing that goes wrong with the team, Cech is error prone and past it....etc.

You'd think this an anti-Chelsea forum!

i did go to the players' forum and do you know what i ACTUALLY saw? (this is the summary version)

cech - world class keeper, we might have 2 WC keepers, jose will have to decide between who to keep between 2 WC keepers, cech is becoming a little error prone,,, world class keeper so on and so forth

hazard - oh awesome, just awesome, next ballon d'or, blah blah blah...

oscar - workrate, workrate, class, quality, "out of form", fatigued", work rate work rate... etc etc

azpi - brilliant, workhorse, wall, should be no.1, player of the season... etc etc.

GC- brilliant, really improved, has become WC, next JT etv etc

MATIC - awesome, tackles, interceptions, best DM, yaya toure etc etc

JT- CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL

except for luiz (has massively underperformed this year, specially considering the high at which he finished last season), mikel (has underperformed for years now, and there is no denying his limitations) and torres (he has been decent this season but considering the fact that people have lost all faith and belief in him after his game after game of shit performances, who can blame them).

hence i would say this is very much a CHELSEA FORUM. and a good one at that. out of 22-25 people squad, their will always be underperformers who will be singled out. the above 3 are those for us.

PS - i have not even said a thing about any of the youth players cos each of them is expected to be the "best academy product right now".

[CHOULO19 24,332]

i did go to the players' forum and do you know what i ACTUALLY saw? (this is the summary version)

cech - world class keeper, we might have 2 WC keepers, jose will have to decide between who to keep between 2 WC keepers, cech is becoming a little error prone,,, world class keeper so on and so forth

hazard - oh awesome, just awesome, next ballon d'or, blah blah blah...

oscar - workrate, workrate, class, quality, "out of form", fatigued", work rate work rate... etc etc

azpi - brilliant, workhorse, wall, should be no.1, player of the season... etc etc.

GC- brilliant, really improved, has become WC, next JT etv etc

MATIC - awesome, tackles, interceptions, best DM, yaya toure etc etc

JT- CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL

except for luiz (has massively underperformed this year, specially considering the high at which he finished last season), mikel (has underperformed for years now, and there is no denying his limitations) and torres (he has been decent this season but considering the fact that people have lost all faith and belief in him after his game after game of shit performances, who can blame them).

hence i would say this is very much a CHELSEA FORUM. and a good one at that. out of 22-25 people squad, their will always be underperformers who will be singled out. the above 3 are those for us.

PS - i have not even said a thing about any of the youth players cos each of them is expected to be the "best academy product right now".

Really?

Dude, who are trying to fool? I can read the forum my self and know that this isn't true. Obviously it's not everybody, but quite a lot of people. Ramires has been slated from the start of the season, Luiz isn't even playing much yet people are queuing up to call him a terrible player, and Mikel has been coming on for the last few minutes of the past couple of games to kill the game off and did exactly that yet he's still being singled out, and how has Torres been one of the three under performers? He's been pretty much the same as Eto'o and miles better than Ba this season.

I didn't say there aren't positive comments, but the comments I'm talking about are not criticism, they are just pointless bashing and putting down of players that should not exist at all.