Fernando Torres

[Cosmin 2,484]

  On 20/09/2012 at 16:21, TheCount said:

case closed.

You look like a 2 years old when you use this expression.

And you're avoiding my question.

P.S: If you're saying that Mata is not good enough, then you are the one who doesn't understand the game. You're clearly just a Torres fanboy who would support Spuds tomorrow if they would sign him.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

  On 20/09/2012 at 15:55, Amels said:

He doesn't give a single fuck about Chelsea. I don't see any reason why he should be kept if he doesn't change his attitude.

Oh come on Drama Queen.... What attitude particularly may I ask?

You can say he is playing shit which I sort of agree, but accuse his attitude and motivation while the fact that you don't know him at all, is quite girly sorry to be blunt.

[TheCount 146]

  On 20/09/2012 at 16:23, Cosmin said:

You look like a 2 years old when you use this expression.

And you're avoiding my question.

P.S: If you're saying that Mata is not good enough, then you are the one who doesn't understand the game. You're clearly just a Torres fanboy who would support Spuds tomorrow if they would sign him.

2 year old*, anyway mate ive been a chelsea fan since 1998 ( i only count then as its the 1st season i properly supported every single game and every game since, but ive always been one since a very very young age, i remember De Matteo playing for example) im no Torres fan boy at all the facts are clear if he got passes he would score and he dosent get passed to, i think cavani should of been bought either way. Now, i never said mata wasnt good enough i said he was a great player if you bothered reading or ignoring what i wrote (which i suspect) i said he wasnt good enough if he isnt goin to pass to his striker, which he dosent do all too often, he also hasnt played well since last christmas, bar here and there, before that he was amazing.

Also i ignored your question but its retarded and why would i waste my time on it.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

  On 20/09/2012 at 16:18, TheCount said:

Then you obviously dont watch the same matches, or you could see its because he never gets a ball.

He hides behind the defender makin it difficult to pass to him. If he makes runs, it will be easier to give through balls. If he comes back and combines like how mata and hazard combined i am very sure he will have more chances.

Like i said in this thread, the only time i saw torres come back and make a run into the box this season was against newcastle, and he scored. He needs more of that especially in big matches. He cant keep having only one shot, i can swear if torres was in oscar's position for the second goal, he wont shoot but will try to dribble and lose the ball.

His confidence is just

[Amblève. 4,995]

  On 20/09/2012 at 16:28, Ryan Fong said:

Oh come on Drama Queen.... What attitude particularly may I ask?

You can say he is playing shit which I sort of agree, but accuse his attitude and motivation while the fact that you don't know him at all, is quite girly sorry to be blunt.

I judge him by his attitude on the pitch.

There's been numerous occasions where he was just walking around not doing anything to help the team. It's one story to give 100% of effort and still fail but it's another one to be invisible the whole match long. He could've gone off the ground yesterday and nobody would've even noticed he was missing.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

@TheCount, and @Cosmin, break it up you two. Does a heated discussion have to end with personal insults?

[Cosmin 2,484]

I'm sorry, but I am not the one who brought the personal insults into this.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

  On 20/09/2012 at 16:33, Amels said:

I judge him by his attitude on the pitch.

There's been numerous occasions where he was just walking around not doing anything to help the team. It's one story to give 100% of effort and still fail but it's another one to be invisible the whole match long. He could've gone off the ground yesterday and nobody would've even noticed he was missing.

Big fat lie mate. If you really think he was just walking around then we shouldn't keep on discussing because clearly we are watching different matches.

p.s. Who picked himself up after getting a foul, won the ball back then initiate the second goal for Oscar?

[Kieran. 6,317]

I actually think lack of service is still a big problem...

That's how he thrived at Liverpool, he's not getting the through balls that suits his style.

Well, too bad. Time to move on. Sturridge at CF.

[Amblève. 4,995]

  On 20/09/2012 at 16:42, Ryan Fong said:

Big fat lie mate. If you really think he was just walking around then we shouldn't keep on discussing because clearly we are watching different matches.

p.s. Who picked himself up after getting a foul, won the ball back then initiate the second goal for Oscar?

If you think so, discussion over.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Dont get me wrong, the things i listed above are ways for torres to improve his play. If he doesnt then he will never improve and hope on offside goals to improve his goal tally

[Hutcho 8,443]

torres, just seems to not know what to do with the ball anymore. when we saw a brief glimpse of sturridge, he wanted the ball was confident with the ball and attacked defenders. Torres doesn't have that feeling anymore. I am not going to tell him to fuck off or get injured like some things i have seen, because he is still a chelsea player and he is not trying to play bad, its just whatever he is doing is not working right now. The one thing i would say is that we should definately give sturridge the start as he has earned it. Many of the pundits on tv seems to think he is untouchable and have no one to challenge him but for me danny is much better than him at the moment and when it comes down to it, who will score us more goals... Torres needs to take a seat for a game i think, though unfortunately danny is injured...

[November33rd 84]

A good player doesn't need an entire team to adapt and change in order to meet HIS style. A good player can adapt and change his game to meet the team's style.

This isn't Fernando Torres FC it is Chelsea FC.

[Milan 17,895]

Sign Gerrard, or sign Falcao, or screw with Torres!

[Kieran. 6,317]

  On 20/09/2012 at 16:55, November33rd said:

A good player doesn't need an entire to adapt and change in order to meet HIS style. A good player can adapt and change his game to meet the team's style.

This isn't Fernando Torres FC it is Chelsea FC.

Obviously.

[GIBBO3000 20]

Torres has gotten enough chances to prove himself and all he gives us is lackluster displays. We need to move along with the clubs business and that is winning games. The club has to now realise that we made a huge mistake in buying torres and call it a bad debt. Maybe we can trade him to athletico plus give them 30mil for Falcoa

[Mart 29]

Torres needs to take more shots, but the players also have to look for him more. Even Mata was guilty yesterday of taking a difficult shot on when he had an easy pass to Torres for a tap in. Imo he's as good as our team let him be, he needs to feel absolute confidence from his team mates. We also need to get one of Mata, Hazard or Oscar playing very close to him at all times. Remember that brilliant goal against Newcastle? That was from him and Hazard playing very close together.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Don't see why this needs another thread, especially that the posts are almost identical to the ones in Torres' thread in the 'current squad' section.

I think we've been through the reasons and counter reasons for why Torres is not delivering about a million times in the past 20 months and it is obvious that we aren't going anywhere in this 'discussion'. But can we, at least, agree that the situation is not working and that he needs to go?

I personally never fully understood the term 'service'; it, along with 'creativity', are two words that mean very little to me in football. It's easy to just throw those around whenever in doubt, but what exactly is the bench mark for creativity and service? Did a Liverpool side that does not compare to our current squad in terms of player abilities have creativity and we don't? Kuyt, Babel and Gerard provide better service than Mata, Lampard, Hazard?

In my book, service and creativity have to do with the recipient as much as the sender. If a striker wants the ball then he keeps making runs till someone picks him up. I don't remember Torres making a single run yesterday.

I can understand someone saying that it's not his fault alone, but to say that he is not at fault alone is ridiculous in my eyes. How many sitters have he missed in his time here? How many chances to shoot did he waste by hesitating? How many times did he run straight into 3-4 defenders just this season? Those are his fault and his fault alone.

I think we have reached a point where it is best for everyone if he just moves along in Jan, even for those who love him and still believe he can be world class, I think we can agree that his best interest lies outside Chelsea FC.