🇪🇸 Fernando Torres

[Tomo 21,751]

Torres is an Abramovich signing. Mata is not. He's been treated with kid's gloves from the moment he stepped into this club. We reconstructed our playing style because of Torres. We signed attacking midfielders galore to get the best out of Torres, even to the detriment of our team. We started an entire season with only Torres as the recognized striker. Better strikers have gone because of him. We've handed everything to him on a plate. It can't be just about the fee we've paid. I'm not saying Jose is a yes-man. I don't believe he is, BUT Mourinho is the manager. He's also an employee and takes orders even on some football related matters. He said it himself.

Torres was an Ancelotti player , Wilkins said as much, we were going to sign him in the summer before but he changed his mind and penned a new deal at Liverpool.

[Barbara 15,149]

I know B. I just think Lukaku is:

1. Too limited at this time to play for us.

2. But a good striker still for a mid tabel team

Torres gets sympathy for so long its just killing me. We are Chelsea, we need men, not boys (or girls , hence my remark on emotions with torres) leading the line.

I had sympathy for his psychological issues, but you cannot keep indulgent into that. We are no social institution catering for Torres' gentle psyche.

When i talk about double standards, its not about you at all saying this. Its about a 21 year old with a big mouth getting crucified as an asshole, coward, .... while Torres really cost us the last few years and gets excuse after excuse. He has been one of the best, but here he has been one of the worst. We would not accept it from Hazard, Oscar, Matic, Azpi ....... Anyway, i dont rate Lukaku that much, as i said before a number of times.

I kinda think Torres however doesnt have what you need to make the cut, technically, mentally, ambitiously, .... Despite his former palmares.

He is not a warrior.

Torres isn't a fighter at all. He's a bit way too laid back too. I look at him I see a blondie - I call him in Portuguese 'a loira do Tchan' 'Tchan Blondie' - a girl from a brazilian band of a decade ago, whose purpose was dance and twerking to their terrible songs, showing her butt, legs and tits. Torres is there to show his pretty face and sell us shirts because you can't count on him for something else.

Maybe if he had a stronger character he'd have recovered some of his old form, but in many ways he looks like Hazard in that department (thank God though Eden is very talented), too relaxed, but at least he didn't give stick back because he gets a lot of (deserved) stick from fans and media. That one time he said he doesn't care if Chelsea lose or win, he lost it, acted out on his frustration, but it seems he learned from it.

If I had to choose who's to leave the team now between him and Lukaku, I'd choose him every day of the week. If Lukaku was willing to be our #2 it'd be much better than Torres being even our #4. I want Torres out, I can't deal with him in the pitch anymore, I was just advocating he's been on good behavior because he must feel like shit at some moments and there's so much the money comforts him about what a huge failure he actually is.

Lukaku could have stayed. I can overlook his big mouth and entitled attitude, but I can't overlook him being a quitter because he didn't want to fight. That's when my problem with him increased a lot, which is why I wouldn't want him to come back, no matter how good of a striker he becomes. If you're a quitter now, you'll always be a quitter who will run when things get thick. You probably know that better than I do as it's your field of expertise... He speaks so much of himself because deep down he doesn't think he's that good and therefore he doesn't stay and fight because he's dead afraid of failing and it destroying or compromising his career.

I should probably be more patient with him and cut him some slack because of his age, but I have such a huge nitpick for men that don't man up. Damn it, if you a man, honor what you have between your legs. I think there's nothing that bothers me more than a man who doesn't behave like a man and that's why I can't overlook a 21yo that isn't even a mature man yet, but he failed exactly in the thing I can't stand. I'm quite aware I'm too harsh on him. I'd be on anyone though because of that nitpick of mine.

[Dion 2,476]

If we are to keep him, do you guys think practicing alongside Costa and watching Costa do what a striker is supposed to do, can somehow give him back his confidence or make him relearn some of his old killer instinct?

It's more likely to wreck him mentally even further. Seeing what a striker should at least remotely look like and knowing he won't ever reach that level? Blondie is probably gonna cry on his bed every night. I won't even start to talk about Drogba. He's probably still got nightmares about him.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Whenever Mou says something certain like xx player will stay, we wont buy anymore, etc. it happens exactly opposite. I look forward to next month to see Mou was troling again. I realy hope he wont go with Costa, Torres and Drogba in title chasing season. If Costa gets injured, byebye title...

[The only place to be 11,313]

Can see him staying and having his best scoring season for us. The additions of Fabregas and Costa will aid him, as will us hopefully being a better team. He seems to just get his head down and play and I can see him getting late goals in games where he comes on in winning situations for Costa.

At this point you have to ask who is realistically out there we could get?

[Whiskey 173]

Can see him staying and having his best scoring season for us. The additions of Fabregas and Costa will aid him, as will us hopefully being a better team. He seems to just get his head down and play and I can see him getting late goals in games where he comes on in winning situations for Costa.

At this point you have to ask who is realistically out there we could get?

What have you been smoking?

Personally, I dont care who we "realistically" can get. ANYONE, read ANYONE, would be better than Torres.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Whenever Mou says something certain like xx player will stay, we wont buy anymore, etc. it happens exactly opposite. I look forward to next month to see Mou was troling again. I realy hope he wont go with Costa, Torres and Drogba in title chasing season. If Costa gets injured, byebye title...

I don't know if I agree with that. We need a healthy squad that's for sure but we lost out on the title by 4pts last year, not 15. We should be better even with costa for part a season, we have Cesc, matic for a full year, an improving Hazard and schurrle, not to mention the best defense in the prem.

We will be better just through maturation and if costa plays 20 games that's 20 more than we had last year.

[Jase 43,479]

[The only place to be 11,313]

What have you been smoking?

Personally, I dont care who we "realistically" can get. ANYONE, read ANYONE, would be better than Torres.

We operate in a world based on 'realism' though. Costa is the number one striker and he will have a lot of pressure on him, but I think he's mentally tough so it's not a huge problem for me. Drogba is the guy we bring on when chasing games and again, I think as a guy in the six yard box he's still a very capable operator and again he's mentally tough enough to deal with that.

Torres sits in a rather nice spot of having zero expectations on him and little pressure. He'll be the guy we bring on when games are close to being won and he'll start games where we feel we don't need Costa's presence.

I call this the 'Kalou role'.

That's why I think he'll get into double digits for Premier League goals this season and 8-12 goals elsewhere. Maybe I'm being hopelessly optimistic but I think there's enough negativity and vitriol elsewhere in this thread that you need that.

What is interesting is that hybrid 4231/4312 formation we deployed against Vitesse where he and Costa interchanged as striker and left-winger with three central midfielders and one right-winger behind them. It's an aggressive formation and one that might be productive for him (Schurrle can also fit into that role).

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Can see him staying and having his best scoring season for us. The additions of Fabregas and Costa will aid him, as will us hopefully being a better team. He seems to just get his head down and play and I can see him getting late goals in games where he comes on in winning situations for Costa.

At this point you have to ask who is realistically out there we could get?

Can't deny that while I do want him gone, there's a tiny part that still hopes for this to happen.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Wolfsburg are interested in signing Torres, and have already contacted his agent. #CFC

[Special Juan 28,141]

Anyone, anywhere, any way

[petr.breu 1,618]

This is just unbelievable... 5 fucking goals in last season...

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

José Mourinho insists Juan Mata will not be leaving Stamford Bridge

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...tamford-bridge


Jose Mourinho says David Luiz will not be leaving Chelsea for any price

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...-for-any-price

Transfer news: Jose Mourinho confirms Fernando Torres will stay at Chelsea

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9401753/transfer-news-jose-mourinho-confirms-fernando-torres-will-stay-at-chelsea

[Special Juan 28,141]

Gigi Salmon has just tweeted this...."Vanishing spray to be used in the PL this season"

I have replied....."Can it be used on Torres"

[zolayes 14,489]

José Mourinho insists Juan Mata will not be leaving Stamford Bridge

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...tamford-bridge

Jose Mourinho says David Luiz will not be leaving Chelsea for any price

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...-for-any-price

Transfer news: Jose Mourinho confirms Fernando Torres will stay at Chelsea

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9401753/transfer-news-jose-mourinho-confirms-fernando-torres-will-stay-at-chelsea

Mata wanted to go ,,,, Torres wants to stay ,,It will take an Exorcist to get rid of him .......or an Exocet

[Special Juan 28,141]

Sounds like Wolfsburg are sniffing about Torres......Absolute joy if this happen then it really is game on for a new striker.

The negotiation for Torres is complicated, and at early stages. Wolfsburg is concretely trying to bring Torres to Bundesliga (via @DiMarzio)

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Wolfsburg Contacts with the player's agent. Will Torres play in the Bundesliga?

Wolfsburg tries. It is serious.

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/news/wolfsburg-contatti-con-lagente-di-fernando-torres/

[Whiskey 173]

We operate in a world based on 'realism' though. Costa is the number one striker and he will have a lot of pressure on him, but I think he's mentally tough so it's not a huge problem for me. Drogba is the guy we bring on when chasing games and again, I think as a guy in the six yard box he's still a very capable operator and again he's mentally tough enough to deal with that.

Torres sits in a rather nice spot of having zero expectations on him and little pressure. He'll be the guy we bring on when games are close to being won and he'll start games where we feel we don't need Costa's presence.

I call this the 'Kalou role'.

That's why I think he'll get into double digits for Premier League goals this season and 8-12 goals elsewhere. Maybe I'm being hopelessly optimistic but I think there's enough negativity and vitriol elsewhere in this thread that you need that.

What is interesting is that hybrid 4231/4312 formation we deployed against Vitesse where he and Costa interchanged as striker and left-winger with three central midfielders and one right-winger behind them. It's an aggressive formation and one that might be productive for him (Schurrle can also fit into that role).

You are. It's Torres we're talking about.

[didierforever 7,349]

PLEASE WOLFSBURG!!!! PLEASE!!!!!