The end of Robbie

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

We weren't? everyone knows we were, no need for a biased view. I didn't care at the time though, and neither do i care now.

RDM was a great guy, but the results stopped going his way. He could have been given more time, but imo the bad results would just have kept on going - it's always hard for us to break out of a funk, just like during AVB's days.

We were on the brink of CL elimination under him, and not only that - had won 0 of 4 in the league under him. It's not very good at all, from the reigning European Champions.

Last season AVB was given time despite bad form to turn our season around, he got us into next round of CL but continued to fail in the league which all but resulted in a 6th place finish.

Now let's say this time we can't make it out of the CL group and continued this bad form in the league, that's potential huge losses for the club.

I was as upset as anyone when i heard the RDM news but it's not like he was sacked for no reason. Good-luck to him at his next job.

It's irrelevant were we or were we not. Point is that all of a sudden people change their minds. Tell me it ain't hypocrite.

RDM got a whole new team and had to compete against great squads WITH world-class strikers (Mancs teams). The only bad result for me was a draw against Liverpool, and even in that match we should've won 3 or 4-1.

Not to mention he was without Lamps & JT when we badly needed their experience. Also, Clattenburg case affected the team mentally. One bad month and he got the axe, well fuck me but that's not how you treat a legend even if he deserved to get sacked (which of course he didn't).

I was disappointed by how things went for us in CL, but it happens sometimes. Last year Fergie got knocked out in a group much easier than the one we have now. Yes we are champions who are building a new team. Give them time but give them stability also.

This is why I would never want another legend to become our manager. They simply don't deserve this.

[Tomo 21,751]

At what cost? CFC is a soulless club now.

Why? because we sack managers? if that's the case Real and Inter must be too, or was it because it was a club legend we sacked? if that's the case then Liverpool are too.

[nullabletype 987]

Jesus, more of the same.

RDM may have been a classy manager. He may have been a gentleman and he may have been a good man motivator. But top quality tactician and footballing mind he wasn't. Can we accept that and move on please?

Managerial longevity would be great, and it would be even better if we were able to have a club legend like RDM at the helm. But so many people are letting this idealistic vision of what could have been cloud the reality.

RDM wasn't a top coach before us and he wont be after the fact. If the footballing world is convinced by his achievements then he will have no problem getting a position at a top club. However, I will be amazed if that happens.

If we want to complain about the manner in which we hire and fire managers then by all means do so. But can we please stop acting like we lost one of the greatest coaches we ever had in these latest turn of events.

Just today we played the Premier League champions and arguably the favorites to succeed this season too. We may not have had the best game of the season, but we kept a clean sheet - our first in ten games - due to a solid defensive performance - something we had barely seen this season under RDM - from team who for the first time in months didn't look clueless under pressure .

Lets start looking forward now, assuming that the positives from today weren't coincidence, and be happy that for the first time this season we genuinly look like we have a solid base to build on.

[Tomo 21,751]

Chelsea doesn't feel right anymore. Chelsea is soulless. Chelsea has come to an end.

Jesus and i thought the stripping Lampard of his legend status after the AVB sacking was knee jerk

This is why I would never want another legend to become our manager. They simply don't deserve this.

Were not the only club too do this, Liverpool have sacked club legend's on more than one occasion, Newcastle hung Shearer out to dry.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Why? because we sack managers? if that's the case Real and Inter must be too, or was it because it was a club legend we sacked? if that's the case then Liverpool are too.

Well said.

It's irrelevant were we or were we not. Point is that all of a sudden people change their minds. Tell me it ain't hypocrite.

RDM got a whole new team and had to compete against great squads WITH world-class strikers (Mancs teams). The only bad result for me was a draw against Liverpool, and even in that match we should've won 3 or 4-1.

Not to mention he was without Lamps & JT when we badly needed their experience. Also, Clattenburg case affected the team mentally. One bad month and he got the axe, well fuck me but that's not how you treat a legend even if he deserved to get sacked (which of course he didn't).

I was disappointed by how things went for us in CL, but it happens sometimes. Last year Fergie got knocked out in a group much easier than the one we have now. Yes we are champions who are building a new team. Give them time but give them stability also.

This is why I would never want another legend to become our manager. They simply don't deserve this.

Only bad result? really? Swansea away was a terrible result, they were very bad and we couldn't win, ala under AVB. West Brom away was not so bad, because we really gave them a difficult game, but at the end of the day they ended up with 3 points and we 0. And let's not even talk about games against Atletico, Juve and Shakhtar.

The thing about Injuries and suspensions happens to every club, not really much of an excuse.

Everything just fell apart after the 2 Man utd games, and perhaps he could have done better in fixing this.

[Amblève. 4,995]

Jesus and i thought the stripping Lampard of his legend status after the AVB sacking was knee jerk

Supporting Chelsea isn't the same as it was years ago for me. Little of it is left now. It's just the way I feel about it. No more, no less.

[Changingman_2000 876]

Well said.

Only bad result? really? Swansea away was a terrible result, they were very bad and we couldn't win, ala under AVB. West Brom away was not so bad, because we really gave them a difficult game, but at the end of the day they ended up with 3 points and we 0. And let's not even talk about games against Atletico, Juve and Shakhtar.

The thing about Injuries and suspensions happens to every club, not really much of an excuse.

Everything just fell apart after the 2 Man utd games, and perhaps he could have done better in fixing this.

You are joking surely, Swansea away wasn't such a bad result. The penalty we should have been given for the barge on Moses at the Hawthorns would have changed things and we should have beat the bin dippers. Robbed against Man Ure at home. Robbie can argue he was dealt a bad hand. Fuck knows what would have happened if he had suffered the same fate as Man Ure a few years back, 3-6 to Southampton and 0-5 to us and beat by the Geordies as well.

[Sheva. 5,373]

You are joking surely, Swansea away wasn't such a bad result. The penalty we should have been given for the barge on Moses at the Hawthorns would have changed things and we should have beat the bin dippers. Robbed against Man Ure at home. Robbie can argue he was dealt a bad hand. Fuck knows what would have happened if he had suffered the same fate as Man Ure a few years back, 3-6 to Southampton and 0-5 to us and beat by the Geordies as well.

It is a bad result, just like the Liverpool and WBA game. For sure you can make all the excuses that could have turned those games, but that's all if and buts. At the end of the day we came out with 2 points out of a possible 9, lost our lead at the top, and eventually have fallen to 4th.

[Changingman_2000 876]

It is a bad result, just like the Liverpool and WBA game. For sure you can make all the excuses that could have turned those games, but that's all if and buts. At the end of the day we came out with 2 points out of a possible 9, lost our lead at the top, and eventually have fallen to 4th.

And???? that deserved the sack?, You are joking, surely

[Sheva. 5,373]

And???? that deserved the sack?, You are joking, surely

I have never said he deserved the sack, but it was coming the way results started turning against us at this time of the year, yet again.

[Changingman_2000 876]

I have never said he deserved the sack, but it was coming the way results started turning against us at this time of the year, yet again.

It now seems he approached The Spanish Waiter a good few days before he binned Robbie. I take it thats ok as well then? Maybe if Torres didn't keep tripped over his fucking lip this wouldn't have happened. He needs to be first one out the door.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Ok. Let's look it your way. How is winning the Champions League lucky then ? It's a good result. Defeating Barcelona and triumphing against Bayer in their own back-yard. Those are good results, the same way draw vs Liverpool is a bad one.

But let me tell you one thing, football is much more than results. I've played (almost proffesionaly) the game and I can tell you that. Roman hasn't and he doesn't realise this.

Excuses you say ? Well Clattenburg masacre was probably something worst I've ever seen from a Premier league ref. We were robbed in front of the eyes of the whole world.

[Tomo 21,751]

Ok. Let's look it your way. How is winning the Champions League lucky then ? It's a good result. Defeating Barcelona and triumphing against Bayer in their own back-yard. Those are good results, the same way draw vs Liverpool is a bad one.

But let me tell you one thing, football is much more than results. I've played (almost proffesionaly) the game and I can tell you that. Roman hasn't and he doesn't realise this.

Excuses you say ? Well Clattenburg masacre was probably something worst I've ever seen from a Premier league ref. We were robbed in front of the eyes of the whole world.

At the top end of football it is all about results, hench why 10-30% of teams a season sometimes more change manager's in England.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

At the top end of football it is all about results, hench why 10-30% of teams a season sometimes more change manager's in England.

Then ask yourself why did he sack Jose.

PS. I'm done, off to bed now

[Sheva. 5,373]

It now seems he approached The Spanish Waiter a good few days before he binned Robbie. I take it thats ok as well then? Maybe if Torres didn't keep tripped over his fucking lip this wouldn't have happened. He needs to be first one out the door.

We don't know the facts though, so i'm not going to comment on that. I agree about Torres though, it's a shame Sturridge is always injured to even regularly challenge him.

Ok. Let's look it your way. How is winning the Champions League lucky then ? It's a good result. Defeating Barcelona and triumphing against Bayer in their own back-yard. Those are good results, the same way draw vs Liverpool is a bad one.

But let me tell you one thing, football is much more than results. I've played (almost proffesionaly) the game and I can tell you that. Roman hasn't and he doesn't realise this.

Excuses you say ? Well Clattenburg masacre was probably something worst I've ever seen from a Premier league ref. We were robbed in front of the eyes of the whole world.

Last season is the past, we were fortunate in the last 3 games, but it doesn't matter now.

And i'm sure Roman sees football just as results, after all he has spent so much money to keep this club debt free and also to get the best players and managers. 2 wins in 8 is really not good enough after all the investment, i would be upset if it was my money.

[Changingman_2000 876]

Torres attitude towards Robbie before the penalties on Munich was pathetic. Then runs to the press saying that he was close to quitting?, well let me hold the door open for you. Miserable wanker that he is. Must be a bit of a c*nts life having to smile when your on £175,000+ a week

[nullabletype 987]

Ok. Let's look it your way. How is winning the Champions League lucky then ? It's a good result. Defeating Barcelona and triumphing against Bayer in their own back-yard. Those are good results, the same way draw vs Liverpool is a bad one.

But let me tell you one thing, football is much more than results. I've played (almost proffesionaly) the game and I can tell you that. Roman hasn't and he doesn't realise this.

Excuses you say ? Well Clattenburg masacre was probably something worst I've ever seen from a Premier league ref. We were robbed in front of the eyes of the whole world.

Because to look at it any other way is to totally ignore a number of important factors at play.

Like how our league form under RDM remained patchy at very best. Surely a manager who came in and turned the team around could have us performing against weaker domestic opposition week in week out?

We became a cup team. Putting in great performances for those one off games that mattered. It's then also worth noting that we done this with a squad of players who were facing their last chance at ever achieving what they were about to. No doubt RDMs man motivation helped galvanize the squad, but don't underestimate the will that that body of players showed.

We had lots of luck. Messi and Robben missing penalties that would surely of dumped us out of the competition. Situations like that, that ordinarily you would never of bet against.

Then we come in to the new season. The first tough European opposition we faced embarrassed us. A seemingly great start to the season was an image produced by a string of perfectly winnable games. Games that a team our standard should win 9 times out of 10, and we still didn't even manage to do that convincingly.

Then we faced Shakhtar who showed us up. We tossed a 2-0 lead away to Juventus, barely scrapped a win against Shakhtar and then lost 3-0 to Juve on our second meet. Lets also remember that our league form had dipped too. 10 games without clean sheets... etc etc I could go on.

The point is this. RDMs tenure makes for a great narrative, one that our fans are insistent on peddling because of the great picture it paints. I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a while were I had fallen for it to. But the objective among us shouldn't find it hard to step back and look at the bigger picture. When you start to look at it, RDM was nothing more than the beneficiary of some good fortune and team who were determined to make their last crack at the whip count. I have no doubt RDM was the right man at the right time. But he didn't, and wouldn't of had the quality we need to go forward.

[Henrique 9,133]

RDM is a very nice guy, but he still is a poor manager. Avran Grant almost gave Chelsea a UCL, but people dont miss him. The italian was the right man, at the right time.

RDM was our own Kenny Dalglish, not our Pep Guardiola.

[Henrique 9,133]

It was a disgrace to sack a man that brought the greatest achievement in our history two weeks before he could win the next trophy, another we never had, just to sign a man whose job is to fill the 6 months before we could get a better manager.

Was Didier Drogba sacked?

[Milan 17,964]

lol there is 3-1 in the scoreline wishful thinking!