Laylabelle 9,539 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Exactly and there lies the issue.Cant expect to develop youngsters in 6 months or so.At some point the board need to be patient and hopfully be like it with Pep or whoever we end up with should we miss out on him.Like said Jose wanted to try and bring in more youth when everyone was raving about Arsenal but summed it up when said pressures onto win trophies so felt unable to take time to build a team like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I just have do this. Shame on you LDN, Raul's technique is brilliant. His touch, control, passing technique and shooting technique, simply fantastic in every aspect.As for your post, very idealistic. I've given up on us producing first team players through our academy a long time ago. The academy is all about making money, rare exceptions excluded. It's impossible to consistently promote youngsters with the way the club is run (short-term vision).For me the bigger problem is that there is no middle ground between England U21 leagues and first team football, like Spain and Germany have. There is simply too big of a gap between the u21 and premier league, it is tough transition for any player to make. The U21 league is not competitive and they don't play enough games, and that is with recent changes lol. Our option right now is to loan players, to make up for that gap. Not really effective for many reasons, not really preparing them to play the way Chelsea first team are and secondly do not like the fact we are under the mercy of other clubs to develop our youngsters.. For me that is a bigger problem then the current state of our club.You can see that reflective of other clubs and England NT. Who has United or Arsenal developed recently that is exciting for example? Wilshere and who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I just have do this. Shame on you LDN, Raul's technique is brilliant. His touch, control, passing technique and shooting technique, simply fantastic in every aspect.As for your post, very idealistic. I've given up on us producing first team players through our academy a long time ago. The academy is all about making money, rare exceptions excluded. It's impossible to consistently promote youngsters with the way the club is run (short-term vision).xD I knew you would be picking up on that. I actually though Raúl wasn't as technically gifted in terms of skilful but you're right on the other aspects. For me, its his intelligence and hard work that paid off. Not taking anything away from the angel of Madrid though --Yeah I know, I simply used it as an example of why Guardiola & others in the past like Capello have been so successful at Barcelona & Milan respectively. It's why those same characters would not succeed at Chelsea. Cobham isn't designed like that, English football isn't designed like that.remember the Sammy boy as well How could I forget! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Just heard the name Roberto Martinez mentioned as a potential manager. Now granted it was Jason Burt, an absolute joke of a journalist who gets almost everything wrong, who named him but he said that the club liked Martinez and I can sort of see why it may be true.Martinez is the manager who started the Swansea revolution. His sides play good football and regularly outplay the top teams. Have you ever watched a Wigan game against the lower sides? They have about 80% of the ball and embarrass the teams around them technically and tactically. He does some things that could really work at a top club with better players.I wouldn't be surprised if he is a serious contender for the job but stranger things have happened e.g. Rafa Benitez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,539 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I cant imagin someone giving up a job where they're under little pressure to come to us.....not way we are at the moment anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Blue 469 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Ancelotti was never going to be the long-term answer after the downturn in performances in his second year (yes, it coincided with Wilkins leaving) and Roman never had any faith in Robbie. He tried with AVB but that was a disaster.Roman does want long-term stability, but he wants it with the right manager.The right manager is? Oh i know its the one that brings a trophy every season.That manager we won't live to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corner 456 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 The right manager is? Oh i know its the one that brings a trophy every season.That manager we won't live to see.The right manager is whichever manager will be given time by Roman and the board and have time to implement his ideas without getting sacked if he doesn't bring instant success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 For me the bigger problem is that there is no middle ground between England U21 leagues and first team football, like Spain and Germany have. There is simply too big of a gap between the u21 and premier league, it is tough transition for any player to make. The U21 league is not competitive and they don't play enough games, and that is with recent changes lol. Our option right now is to loan players, to make up for that gap. Not really effective for many reasons, not really preparing them to play the way Chelsea first team are and secondly do not like the fact we are under the mercy of other clubs to develop our youngsters.. For me that is a bigger problem then the current state of our club.You can see that reflective of other clubs and England NT. Who has United or Arsenal developed recently that is exciting for example? Wilshere and who else?You're absolutely right. The way English football is set up is just awful for youth development. To add to what you've already said, there's the rule where clubs are only allowed to scout in their own designated areas. There are like 756 clubs in London and they all have to share the talent in the area.But the club also doesn't buy players at a young age for relatively low prices (so incredbily hyped up/talented players don't count) and help them develop into future first team players. Look at Lucas for example. Unknown at first, ridiculed by opposition fans and media at first but look at him now. Best DM in the league if you ask me.But with the immense pressure on managers, young players can't develop here as the managers pick (and buy) experienced players because everyone has to perform right now. Even fans have picked up that mentality as they already grow tired of a player after a few bad performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,539 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 pretty much sums it up....and that isnt gana change anytime soon with us unless time can be guranteed which is never gana happen which leads back to the problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Ah If Roman gets bored, there are Pep Guardiola, Simone from Atletico, Clark from Wba, Zdenek Zeman, etc. that can be brought in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 I feel so alienated from Chelsea at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyflashman 187 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Ah If Roman gets bored, there are Pep Guardiola, Simone from Atletico, Clark from Wba, Zdenek Zeman, etc. that can be brought in...Bielsa from Bilbao maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Ah If Roman gets bored, there are Pep Guardiola, Simone from Atletico, Clark from Wba, Zdenek Zeman, etc. that can be brought in...You think Clarke would want to come here? He has a good thing going with WBA. Here he would only get humiliated like Wilkins and Robbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdenHazard 163 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Would rather Mourinho, But then again. With the players we have. Guardiola could do wonders with our squad. Either way, Whoever it is should be an upgrade to Rafa. He's turning the club apart. Booing during games etc, Its not a good atmosphere at all for the fans. The sooner its over with and Rafa's gone, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5354 204 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 The loan system... something I talked about last time on how Udinese filled the hole. I think we are doing something similiar with Vitesse, would had prefer if we had did something with a lower English club instead.Should had bail out 1 of the smaller London clubs and used it as a base to send our youngsters there to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 This headline in the Sun made me giggle:Chelsea have been told to back off Pep Guardiola or risk losing out on the former Barcelona coach.I have a vision in my head of Roman hiding behind a New York taxi, waiting for Pep to leave his hotel. Pep leaves with his children and Roman follows him, throwing wads of Rubles at him while exclaiming: "Y u no take job? I seduce you! I seduce you like all of my women, with Rubles!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Boris Becker just tweeted that he has been told pep will join us in January 2013! Couldn't ask for a better source of info could you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,539 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 City seem fairly keen on him..heres hoping they win the league so Mancini doesnt get sacked.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 City seem fairly keen on him..heres hoping they win the league so Mancini doesnt get sacked....He still could get sacked even if he wins the title, it has happened to him before at Inter.For me it is obvious City have already appointed Txiki Begirstain and Ferran Soriano as director of football and CEO for higher purpose and to lure Guardiola. In the end of the season if Guardiola wants to join City which i have no doubts i don't see much stopping them from ditching Mancini in favor of Pep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,539 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 And can see City getting him in the end,they've given Mancini a fair bit of time despite not having the best few seasons whereas us on the other hand...not so much and thats bound to be a massive off put for most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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