Victor Moses

[Django 83]

only reason not want moses is because then we give wayyy to much physicalityy up top. and there are better targets out there.

jovetic is one im fond of. i dont see why people dont like him? he can play both (SS and Rw) rw not as much tbh but he has the qualities for their his dribling speed, crossing well he can work on that. him mata and hazard in attack can be become somthing special....

Undoubtedly talented, but has a history of injuries and would be expensive.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

maybe we should buy Di Santo

trololololololol

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Undoubtedly talented, but has a history of injuries and would be expensive.

"history" he only had that major injury setback last year and came back magnificent this year

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Sign Moses, he can be a super sub along with Marin. Offers speed and strength in abundance.

[Django 83]

"history" he only had that major injury setback last year and came back magnificent this year

Major injuries at a young age put teams off signing players out of worry it can happen again and hamper what potential they have.

[francozola 2,040]

Haven't read the last couple of pages but there must be a reason why we're not just adding a couple of mil if we're truly keen on getting him. When the very first piece of news on this broke (when the twat Whelan said he rejected our 1st bid) my first thought was that we're just using this as a ploy to get Porto to lower their asking price on Hulk and I still think that's what we're doing

[Kojo 4,676]

I only wanted Moses because I thought we wouldn't make CL, cant believe people want him now... And for 10 million.

I'm still asking Dave Whelan for my eyes back let alone fucking Moses.

[SeB 1,281]

^ Correct, but the calibre of opposition defences has somewhat improved since joining a Premier League side

I actually don't particularly want Moses here. He's no better than what we already have, and come next season when de Bruyne returns from Bremen, he'll probably be shipped out himself. Put it this way, he is not Champions League material. He'd excel at a mid-table side like Sunderland, or perhaps at a top 10 side like Liverpool or Everton, but he is not the quality we are looking for in my honest opinion. This would be a token buy.

I don't agree with that. De Bruyne is an interesting prospect, he has good passing skills and a good menaltity (helps to defend, play with his team mates). But in my opinion Moses is a spet higher than him considering he just achieved a complete season (36+2 games) at 21. Of course he has to work on his finished product at the end of his actions.

But I must admit I'm quite ok with the suggestion that makes Moses the Sturridge replacement in the squad. Sturridge definitely has to play centrally because that's where his speed* and his finishing potential can be used the best way. But this season Sturridge had also a tactical importance, something we didn't had for a long time: he played a very direct way, a lot of 1st intention shots. And he obtained a lot of fouls.

Moses has the same state of mind: put under pressure the defenders and the GK. And I think that with Oscar, Mata, Hazard etc... able to fire a free kick into the net, with Ivanovic, Terry and Cahill and their positionning sense in the box ; it would be a way to create different goalscoring chances.

Yeah, can someone tell me which match he played as a striker? I never knew he can play striker.

In fact he's not a pure striker, he likes long balls on the wings (mostly left), he likes to go through space. But because his game is mostly provocation with the ball, that's rather suited for the wing zone where he likes to go.

This season he always played with a striker able to pusk the defense back: Di Santo who challenges in the air or drops from his upfront position to carry the CB and create a space. Or Sammon who presses really hard.

He's a support stiker but he's aware tactically, he can hold several roles very well

[Kojo 4,676]

I don't agree with that. De Bruyne is an interesting prospect, he has good passing skills and a good menaltity (helps to defend, play with his team mates). But in my opinion Moses is a spet higher than him considering he just achieved a complete season (36+2 games) at 21. Of course he has to work on his finished product at the end of his actions.

But I must admit I'm quite ok with the suggestion that makes Moses the Sturridge replacement in the squad. Sturridge definitely has to play centrally because that's where his speed* and his finishing potential can be used the best way. But this season Sturridge had also a tactical importance, something we didn't had for a long time: he played a very direct way, a lot of 1st intention shots. And he obtained a lot of fouls.

Moses has the same state of mind: put under pressure the defenders and the GK. And I think that with Oscar, Mata, Hazard etc... able to fire a free kick into the net, with Ivanovic, Terry and Cahill and their positionning sense in the box ; it would be a way to create different goalscoring chances.

In fact he's not a pure striker, he likes long balls on the wings (mostly left), he likes to go through space. But because his game is mostly provocation with the ball, that's rather suited for the wing zone where he likes to go.

This season he always played with a striker able to pusk the defense back: Di Santo who challenges in the air or drops from his upfront position to carry the CB and create a space. Or Sammon who presses really hard.

He's a support stiker but he's aware tactically, he can hold several roles very well

You're saying Moses is better than KDB?, lmao you must be joking me, KDB has potential to be world class, Moses plays a lot of games means nothing, I've seen him and he's a good player but he's not special.

I hate players who get judged off playing lots of games, it doesn't make you better in class for me.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

@Kojo Why did the Akinfenwa thread get closed?

[Spike 12,049]

You're saying Moses is better than KDB?, lmao you must be joking me, KDB has potential to be world class, Moses plays a lot of games means nothing, I've seen him and he's a good player but he's not special.

I hate players who get judged off playing lots of games, it doesn't make you better in class for me.

At the moment I would agree with SeB that Moses is the better player, though it is unfair to compare the two; considering they are two very different players. Potential notwithstanding.

[Kojo 4,676]

@Kojo Why did the Akinfenwa thread get closed?

No idea, I didn't even get a reason...

[Kojo 4,676]

At the moment I would agree with SeB that Moses is the better player, though it is unfair to compare the two; considering they are two very different players. Potential notwithstanding.

Even as players right now KDB is better.

The funny thing is everyone went mad at me for judging hazard on pre season even though I didn't, but it's alright to judge KDB when he played out if position on both games.

[Leif 6,006]

everyone went mad at me for judging hazard on pre season even though I didn't, but it's alright to judge KDB when he played out if position

He's got a point there you know.

[Spike 12,049]

Even as players right now KDB is better.

The funny thing is everyone went mad at me for judging hazard on pre season even though I didn't, but it's alright to judge KDB when he played out if position on both games.

I wasn't judging De Bruyne on those games. It is very arrogant to assume that everyone has judged De Bruyne on the preseason.

For the record, I don't even like Moses.

[Kojo 4,676]

I wasn't judging De Bruyne on those games. It is very arrogant to assume that everyone has judged De Bruyne on the preseason.

I'm not saying you are, doubt you would.

Im taking about most people on this forum, everyone was happy to see KDB coming into the team, a lot of hype, as there should be. Then 3 games of pre season on the wing and everyone wants him off on loan and aren't interested in him anymore.

KDB cannot play as a winger, he's lethargic, lacks pace, he's more technical and creative type player, cam is his best position.

[Spike 12,049]

I'm not saying you are, doubt you would.

Im taking about most people on this forum, everyone was happy to see KDB coming into the team, a lot of hype, so they're should be. Then 3 games of pre season on the wing and everyone wants him off on loan and aren't interested in him anymore.

KDB cannot play as a winger, he's lethargic, lacks pace, he's more technical and creative type player, cam is his best position.

I agree 100% about De Bruyne. He is not an athlete at all and that in turn will cause problems out wide. His passing range and vision is very impressive and with those abilities I believe he can be molded into the Xavi/Pirlo styled Regista. Ideally I believe the 4-3-3 would fit De Bruyne and I would stylise like this:

De Bruyne - Box-To-Box Midfielder

Anchor Man

Naturally being a very attack minded player his entire career/life I don't expect De Bruyne to disrupting play and making tackles/interceptions. A defensive cover would be needed in the vein of a B2B tank like Essien [was] or Touré also with a DM that uses finesse like Cambiasso or Makélélé (Anchor Man, as I call it but the terminology is probably wrong). It is a shame we have neither at the moment.

[Marvin123 530]

I agree 100% about De Bruyne. He is not an athlete at all and that in turn will cause problems out wide. His passing range and vision is very impressive and with those abilities I believe he can be molded into the Xavi/Pirlo styled Regista. Ideally I believe the 4-3-3 would fit De Bruyne and I would stylise like this:

De Bruyne - Box-To-Box Midfielder

Anchor Man

Naturally being a very attack minded player his entire career/life I don't expect De Bruyne to disrupting play and making tackles/interceptions. A defensive cover would be needed in the vein of a B2B tank like Essien [was] or Touré with a DM that uses finesse like Cambiasso or Makélélé. It is a shame we have neither at the moment.

Brilliant post

Never really thought of using him in that role

Suits him down to the ground!

I'm sure we all will keep an eye on him next season

[Kojo 4,676]

I agree 100% about De Bruyne. He is not an athlete at all and that in turn will cause problems out wide. His passing range and vision is very impressive and with those abilities I believe he can be molded into the Xavi/Pirlo styled Regista. Ideally I believe the 4-3-3 would fit De Bruyne and I would stylise like this:

De Bruyne - Box-To-Box Midfielder

Anchor Man

Naturally being a very attack minded player his entire career/life I don't expect De Bruyne to disrupting play and making tackles/interceptions. A defensive cover would be needed in the vein of a B2B tank like Essien or Touré with a DM that uses finesse like Cambiasso or Makélélé. It is a shame we have neither at the moment.

Appearently his defensive duties are meant to be impressive, he was good against us on both games at defending. Could be the right thing to do, his long passing is sick, some of the passes against us where amazing, unfortunately for him he had rubbish players on the end of them.

I promise De Bruyne will be a player for us on the starting eleven in the future.

And it's a shame he doesn't have pace because is dribbling is very good.

[SeB 1,281]

You're saying Moses is better than KDB?, lmao you must be joking me, KDB has potential to be world class, Moses plays a lot of games means nothing, I've seen him and he's a good player but he's not special.

I hate players who get judged off playing lots of games, it doesn't make you better in class for me.

You've completely misunderstood me. I think Moses is a step ahead of De Bruyne in his developpement as a player. I've never compared their ability or their style of play, they're two different players.

My point is sending De Bruyne on loan and signing Moses makes sense at the moment.

And for the record I like De Bruyne and his playing style