Oscar

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Remember watching him back in brazil nt before we signed him, he looked like guy who does stuff and not just try and will be highly efficient player one day. 

His style still has potential, he can become world class ala Lampard because he has it all. He can shoot, pass, work hard etc, link play. But sadly he is so damn inconsistent. One good game out of 5 at best. 

IMO he will come realy good when he hits late 20s because he has shown he can be damn good player, the problem is inconsistency which should be gone when he fully develops. 

The main question is should we wait another 3- 4 years for him to reach that. 

If we sell him, you just know he will turn up amazing in another team like Juve or Bvb for example.

[Styles 9,790]

2 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Remember watching him back in brazil nt before we signed him, he looked like guy who does stuff and not just try and will be highly efficient player one day. 

His style still has potential, he can become world class ala Lampard because he has it all. He can shoot, pass, work hard etc, link play. But sadly he is so damn inconsistent. One good game out of 5 at best. 

IMO he will come realy good when he hits late 20s because he has shown he can be damn good player, the problem is inconsistency which should be gone when he fully develops. 

The main question is should we wait another 3- 4 years for him to reach that. 

If we sell him, you just know he will turn up amazing in another team like Juve or Bvb for example.

I genuinely wouldn't care. Not even a little bit.

He could win the ballon d'or and I wouldn't give a shit. He is a nothing player and one of many that needs to go as soon as the season is over.

[Special Juan 27,439]

My lad is better than this bloke I am not joking.

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

He needs to go, I don't think he's cut out for this league 

[chelseafan26 293]

On 20/03/2016 at 0:57 PM, Robguima said:

Because he is one player out of eleven and this is not tennis, as many here would have you believe.

so if you replace Oscar and get a fucking "proper" #10 - whatever that may be - the other oscars will still be there fucking it up around your fabled #10. 

In the end it's simple arithmetic: the top teams have no oscars in their starting xi or even in the squad. We have them in numbers.

if you want to fool yourself in thinking that replacing Oscar with, say Isco, will make us great again, then go right ahead, but I still find that idea fucking ridiculous.

So whats your solution to the problem? keep him here since there is no way we would "overhaul" the squad.I guess by other oscars you mean mikel and Cahill. We are already been linked with the likes of radja, vidal. As for CB, we have been looking for stones/marquinhos for a year atleast. We have zouma and christensen in the wings or already stepping up.

As for oscar, why is he here. Why are not we playing RLC before him. Do we currently have a better DM than mikel? NO. But we sure as hell do have a hell lot of options worth taking a shot at the CAM psoition. Hence the disgruntlement with the consistent shitness of oscar.

[chelseafan26 293]

17 hours ago, JaKstone said:

You are becoming to obvious didierforever. Same register date as when you got banned, same insults, what the actual feck, will you ever learn to behave on a public forum?

Who is didierforever?

Mate, this is the 2nd time after the cesc thread that you have said this. 

As for insults, who have i insulted? 

Lastly, since you said that "didierforever" got banned, I went into the "Warned &Banner Members" thread. He/she was "banned" on 17th Jan, I joined the forum on 7th Nov. So I just dont know why you feel the need to accuse. I can see a lot of moderators and admins around here, they can check my IP address if necessary. 

[robsblubot 3,530]

9 minutes ago, chelseafan26 said:

So whats your solution to the problem? keep him here since there is no way we would "overhaul" the squad.I guess by other oscars you mean mikel and Cahill. We are already been linked with the likes of radja, vidal. As for CB, we have been looking for stones/marquinhos for a year atleast. We have zouma and christensen in the wings or already stepping up.

As for oscar, why is he here. Why are not we playing RLC before him. Do we currently have a better DM than mikel? NO. But we sure as hell do have a hell lot of options worth taking a shot at the CAM psoition. Hence the disgruntlement with the consistent shitness of oscar.

Absolutely not... Regardless whether I think Oscar may still make it, it is clear it won't happen here.

what I am criticizing is the simplification that Oscar is somehow responsible for our lackluster play this season, ironically when he hasn't featured very often.

cant answer why RLC doesn't play - might be that the manager doesn't think much of him. 

I personally think matic is twice the player mikel is, but I digress. Mikel should definitely be one leaving along with Oscar. it is actually a lot easier and cheaper to replace mikel than Oscar.

4-5 players should leave or at least lose their starting position, otherwise we will have a very similar season. And def adjust the system if fabregas stays.

[chelseafan26 293]

4 minutes ago, Robguima said:

Absolutely not... Regardless whether I think Oscar may still make it, it is clear it won't happen here.

what I am criticizing is the simplification that Oscar is somehow responsible for our lackluster play this season, ironically when he hasn't featured very often.

cant answer why RLC doesn't play - might be that the manager doesn't think much of him. 

I personally think matic is twice the player mikel is, but I digress. Mikel should definitely be one leaving along with Oscar. it is actually a lot easier and cheaper to replace mikel than Oscar.

4-5 players should leave or at least lose their starting position, otherwise we will have a very similar season. And def adjust the system if fabregas stays.

We are again going to go round in circles. Mikel is a starter only because Matic has had an absolutely AWFUL season. currently, matic has lost his confidence and I would play mikel ahead of him. Hazard is one of the best players in the world, forget about chelsea football club. But currently, if i had an option of filling one winger spot with either hazard/willian, i would choose willian.

Meanwhile oscar is a starter. He has played 1617 minutes of football this season in PL where we are mid table. Mikl has played 1168 and I dont know the exact minutes but i can guarantee that 80% of these would be under hiddink where we are yet undefeated. 

So yes, a lot of us think that replacing oscar with isco/payet would make us 10 times better. We would get a proper link between attack and defence, more chances created, more goals scored, more ball retention, more possession.

I do agree that we needed changes. Oscar, mikel, Cahill and iva should not be here next season. Oscar would be the first one out of here. People still think that he is a good player and he has a market value hundred times his actual worth. He is exactly the type of player we should sell and rebuild using that money.

[robsblubot 3,530]

8 hours ago, chelseafan26 said:

We are again going to go round in circles. Mikel is a starter only because Matic has had an absolutely AWFUL season. currently, matic has lost his confidence and I would play mikel ahead of him. Hazard is one of the best players in the world, forget about chelsea football club. But currently, if i had an option of filling one winger spot with either hazard/willian, i would choose willian.

Meanwhile oscar is a starter. He has played 1617 minutes of football this season in PL where we are mid table. Mikl has played 1168 and I dont know the exact minutes but i can guarantee that 80% of these would be under hiddink where we are yet undefeated. 

So yes, a lot of us think that replacing oscar with isco/payet would make us 10 times better. We would get a proper link between attack and defence, more chances created, more goals scored, more ball retention, more possession.

I do agree that we needed changes. Oscar, mikel, Cahill and iva should not be here next season. Oscar would be the first one out of here. People still think that he is a good player and he has a market value hundred times his actual worth. He is exactly the type of player we should sell and rebuild using that money.

You are linking cause and consequence When imo there is none or at least very little.

mikel started against Everton and Porto under Jose and you know how well we played.

i digress, this is Oscar thread.

i will give you a different example then: don't think Pedro is better than Oscar regardless of form.

my point remains that we have other oscars in the team... Several of them actually.

pains me to say it, but depending on the deal he may or may not be willing to take, terry should perhaps leave too.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

If Conte don't want Oscar, he is off then. If Conte want him to stay, he will stay, you like it or not. As simple as that.

[Essien19 1,415]

One could save some postings if Oscar comes back to life, people will love him again.

Some people are already doing that for Hazard, maybe Gilvorak can do that in here. [emoji4]

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

"The magic of the number 10 comes from the trequartista's feet, the player of inventiveness, the one who is capable of wrong-footing “everyone with a piece of skill perhaps he is not even fully aware of.” - Roberto Mancini

This guy shouldn't be a no.10 to begin with, let alone play for a club that wants to be elite.

[mccg 1,528]

Jose and alot of Cfc supporters thought and wished Oscar would have evolution of a season like Hazards the season before, alas it didn't happen,at 24 lets hope he can improve like Willian,if not he's too expensive to still be a squad player,we need a new starter of world class proportions to consistently add and improve the team.

[Styles 9,790]

Just watched the England game and Dele Alli really surprised me. I'll admit I don't watch many Tottenham games because, well, they're Spurs.

But the technique, general ability and even his pressing was there. T

He is 7532585329585684x the player Oscar is and he's 5 years younger.

[The Mak 4,459]

29 minutes ago, Styles said:

Just watched the England game and Dele Alli really surprised me. I'll admit I don't watch many Tottenham games because, well, they're Spurs.

But the technique, general ability and even his pressing was there. T

He is 7532585329585684x the player Oscar is and he's 5 years younger.

 

 

The funny thing is, if Ali ended up with us during the summer, Oscar would still be picked over him and Ali would be in the reserves.

It's quite astonishing when you think about it for a moment - the amount of money being paid to the likes of Mourinho and Emenalo who are supposed to be football experts, yet they continued with the likes of Oscar who is absolute dog shit 80% of the time. 

I'm not Cesc's biggest fan, but at least we get a decent half-season of form out of him. Oscar? We're lucky with one good game a month.

[Styles 9,790]

20 minutes ago, The Mak said:

The funny thing is, if Ali ended up with us during the summer, Oscar would still be picked over him and Ali would be in the reserves.

It's quite astonishing when you think about it for a moment - the amount of money being paid to the likes of Mourinho and Emenalo who are supposed to be football experts, yet they continued with the likes of Oscar who is absolute dog shit 80% of the time. 

We would have bought him and then loaned him out to Middlesbrough. Any success there would have been belittled before another loan move to a Premier League relegation candidate the following season.

[The Mak 4,459]

2 minutes ago, Styles said:

We would have bought him and then loaned him out to Middlesbrough. Any success there would then be have been belittled before another loan move to a Premier League relegation candidate the following season.

 

Don't forget the 'not good enough for Chelsea's level' brigade would be out in force! Just in case we needed a reminder of what our current level is...it's 10th! 

[The Mak 4,459]

Haha, come to think of it, remember the arguments around Oscar Vs. Mata? One of the main one's against Mata was that we 'ONLY FINISHED 3RD WITH THE TEAM BUILT AROUND MATA'.

Where will we finish now eh?!