Gilvorak 3,734 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 What are you on about? Are you seriously justifying that it was the right move to pick Oscar over KDB? Don't come up with bs arguments such as "KDB basically is a forward". He is a bloody midfielder and a very good one at that. Oscar is an inconsistent average player that belongs in a club like Napoli.I think that I'm wasting my time by trying to explain to basics of football to you. So imma stop.De Bruyne is not a midfielder lol. And there's a multi-page thread for KDB why sour this thread with your bullshit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 De Bruyne is not a midfielder lol. And there's a multi-page thread for KDB why sour this thread with your bullshit?At the end of the day it comes down to consistency. If he can play like this for an extended period of time, then he's worth it, great player - however if he's lukewarm again against Watford then he's bang average.If not then replace him with Griezmann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 He - alongside with Willian, Azpili, JT - had been one of the few players to receive support from the crowd. The only sub that wasn't booed.The crowd - that represents my feelings to a tee - made a mistake here. Clearly he also had problems with Mourinho and refused to play to his capability.And that's the problem I have with this assemble of players we currently have. They have nothing on JT, Lamps, DD that a few years did the same to Scolari - Scolari who had nothing on Mourinho either.It's a shame how this team completely changed its attitude now. They don't have my support - although I appreciate the win and I don't mind Riddink. It's just that it shows their character and I don't think we can win anything with those buggers.Oscar had one of his best matches playing for us - and that says more about how average he's been, than exactly his quality there today - which was undeniable.I just can't brush off my disappointment with how the players behaved. It looks like if Roman didn't act, they'd have the team relegated without a second thought. Shameful.Barbs! Where ya been? I feel the same way tbh. If we had Jose we probably would have drawn 1-1, but the players seemed up for it today. That could have been becuase they felt like they needed to prove themselves after Thursday, or because they were finally gonna put effort in. I think its the latter. Some players were still shit though Costa missed a chance and Ivanovic couldn't cross. It does frustrate me though that Ivanovic and Oscar, two players Jose put so much faith in, decided to show up today after the shit show they've put on all season. This team is spineless.I was happy with the teams performance, I have to say that I don't want to be a buzzkiller but he got too many chances ffs it's getting annoying. If RLC got half as many starts then he would perform much much better. We all know how inconsistent Oscar is. This performance was not even that good, look at what De Bruyne does for City or what Coutinho does for Liverpool. Let's hope Hiddink doesn't get fooled.He has gotten sooooo many chances. More than any other player. He has a good game here and there and apparently warrants him getting chance after chance after chance. It's annoying. Barbara and Azul 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 A lot of people around me at the stadium were bemused that he suddenly looks like a good player now that Jose has gone. He could actually control the ball and was involved in nearly everything we did, the complete opposite of before.He got a good reception when he went off but was a target for the 'where were you when we were shit' chant.I would wait three more games before being certain that players were playing intentionaly bad under Jose and are now alot better without him.Today it was seen what I havent seen this season, at least not in PL yet (in CL there were good games too), the desire, the speed of play, team work etc. But its only sunderland dont forget that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 A lot of people around me at the stadium were bemused that he suddenly looks like a good player now that Jose has gone. He could actually control the ball and was involved in nearly everything we did, the complete opposite of before.He got a good reception when he went off but was a target for the 'where were you when we were shit' chant.I would wait three more games before being certain that players were playing intentionaly bad under Jose and are now alot better without him.Today it was seen what I havent seen this season, at least not in PL yet (in CL there were good games too), the desire, the speed of play, team work etc. But its only sunderland dont forget that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDRECHO 432 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Gilvorak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Barbs! Where ya been? I feel the same way tbh. If we had Jose we probably would have drawn 1-1, but the players seemed up for it today. That could have been becuase they felt like they needed to prove themselves after Thursday, or because they were finally gonna put effort in. I think its the latter. Some players were still shit though Costa missed a chance and Ivanovic couldn't cross. It does frustrate me though that Ivanovic and Oscar, two players Jose put so much faith in, decided to show up today after the shit show they've put on all season. This team is spineless.He has gotten sooooo many chances. More than any other player. He has a good game here and there and apparently warrants him getting chance after chance after chance. It's annoying.hi there, honeyI've been busy. Well, let's just hope everything works out for the best. Bad work environment is really difficult to overcome iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 good run but what does M'Vila actually do there. Oscar is his opponent and he does not even bother to jog there, just casually strots around when he should track Oscar like mad. Sunderland's defending in that situation almost looks intentionally shit. Poor Oscar did not score there but Pantillimon - whilst an average goalie overall - is a monster 1 on 1. So Oscar had his 1 good game in 10 and people are digging out the KDB comparisons again? It is a funny world. didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea4 1,521 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 No Jose more freedom. positivefootball, Clockwork and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Thanks for posting this. I pointed this moment out in the post-match thread.Look at all that space. Unbelievable. Everyone can play football in those conditions. He actually did quite poorly, should've scored.Sunderland was terrible. The game was a training session. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Special Juan 28,141 Posted December 20, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted December 20, 2015 One game in amongst a mass amount of others, he's still really poor for me. I'd ship him out ASAP we need much better than Oscar. Essien19, Blue-in-me-Veins, didierforever and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Thanks for posting this. I pointed this moment out in the post-match thread.Look at all that space. Unbelievable. Everyone can play football in those conditions. He actually did quite poorly, should've scored.Sunderland was terrible. The game was a training session.Yes, but they could easily grow in confidence if our approach was different. When they scored we let them space and it was nervous. I can easily see us drawing or even losing against them if we would allow them get into this match properly. We played very good regardless of the opposition IMO and Oscar was big part of that.When he plays invisible man I really don't like him but when he plays like this he is one of the most enjoyable player for me. I'm very curious for his next game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Yes, but they could easily grow in confidence if our approach was different. When they scored we let them space and it was nervous. I can easily see us drawing or even losing against them if we would allow them get into this match properly. We played very good regardless of the opposition IMO and Oscar was big part of that.When he plays invisible man I really don't like him but when he plays like this he is one of the most enjoyable player for me. I'm very curious for his next game.After trailing by three? No way. I know they got some life back in them after scoring but that's normal and that happens whether your Chelsea, Barca or Juventus. Let's not lose our grip on reality after a few terrible months. Full 90 min of domination is extremely rare. Of course this team is still wobbly mentally, I agree with you on that.It was a good performance and Oscar was fantastic but it was easy so personally I'm not impressed. Watford, Utd and Palace are up next and I'm very interested to see how they'll play against those sides. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I would wait three more games before being certain that players were playing intentionaly bad under Jose and are now alot better without him.Today it was seen what I havent seen this season, at least not in PL yet (in CL there were good games too), the desire, the speed of play, team work etc. But its only sunderland dont forget that.Jose wanted them to play a certain way since January of 2015 and they've struggled. Now that he's gone, they can play a different way .So if they start to do better then it wasn't cause they betrayed Jose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 After trailing by three? No way. I know they got some life back in them after scoring but that's normal and that happens whether your Chelsea, Barca or Juventus. Let's not lose our grip on reality after a few terrible months. Full 90 min of domination is extremely rare. Of course this team is still wobbly mentally, I agree with you on that.It was a good performance and Oscar was fantastic but it was easy so personally I'm not impressed. Watford, Utd and Palace are up next and I'm very interested to see how they'll play against those sides.No, sorry for confusion. I mean they started with 5 at the back, they could easily prevent us from scoring for 60 minutes then score lucky rebound from corner. Even this Sunderland side has some good players who could be literally welcomed to have some memorable moment of their career if our frustration would grow and their confidence increased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,916 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I've been saying it for the past couple of seasons and it was never gonna happen under José, but I'd love to see Oscar play deeper in midfield. It would allow all four of he, Hazard, Pedro, and Willian to fit in the same XI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 No, sorry for confusion. I mean they started with 5 at the back, they could easily prevent us from scoring for 60 minutes then score lucky rebound from corner. Even this Sunderland side has some good players who could be literally welcomed to have some memorable moment of their career if our frustration would grow and their confidence increased.Chelsea scored a corner after 5 min of play. 4 or 5 men at the back won't prevent that from happening. It was an excellent header from Ivanovic. Typical Chelsea goal.7 min later Pedro plays the ball to Ivanovic on the right flank. He's completely unmarked with plenty of space. Van Aanholt (I think) moves from a tucked in position to the left flank. But he decides not to press him and stays more than a few metres away from him. Again, no one is around him (Sunderland offered a lot of space throughout the game). is He's pretty far away from the box but decides to cross the ball early. Nothing new about this scenario. The cross is poor. Again nothing new. But the ball lands in front of Pedro after a richochet. Close range, he smashes it, goal.12:14 and you are leading by two goals against a poor team at home. How easy life becomes all of a sudden. They were terrible. Chelsea has been very poor but let's not exaggerate. Games have actually been won this season and even a team in worse form than Chelsea would win a game like that in most cases.This was of course a game that could've been lost. But heading into the game, a win, draw or loss were all perfectly plausible scenarios. Losing was not the most likely outcome though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 good run but what does M'Vila actually do there. Oscar is his opponent and he does not even bother to jog there, just casually strots around when he should track Oscar like mad. Sunderland's defending in that situation almost looks intentionally shit. Poor Oscar did not score there but Pantillimon - whilst an average goalie overall - is a monster 1 on 1. So Oscar had his 1 good game in 10 and people are digging out the KDB comparisons again? It is a funny world. So?! Mikel does that (jogs back) all the time... I won't take anything for granted and we've indeed played very weak opposition at home. Yet other players did not play as well as Oscar did against the same folks.Oscar has been so poor lately that I am actually hopeful he was fed up with Jose, because that means he is not as poor as he has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Was probably fhe best peformance by Oscar in a Chelsea shirt against Sunderland. Truly bizzare. What the hell was Mourinho doing to them in that dressing room!!!?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,507 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Hopefully Hiddink can get some consistent performances out of Oscar, Hazard, Pedro....would love to see Chelsea score more goals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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